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isoprenaline posted:Is the idea of Genestealers infiltrating society long before the main Tyranid horde arrives still a thing in canon? Yeah. The Genestealer Primus floats around space and, for whatever reason, develops a sentience above the normal GS "just gotta make babies!" level, and begins infiltrating the society it winds up in. Genestealer Cults (the novel) is probably worth your time to take a look at.
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Inquisitor War also had a cool genestealer cult segment IIRC. I started reading Descent of Angels and it occurs to me that the Dark Angels don't have a genetic flaw. I assumed they had some degree of innate warp affinity (with the Watchers and high chaos turnover) but that apparently comes from Caliban itself? Then the main character interacts with a watcher before becoming a space marine, so now I don't really know what to think.
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Knowing GW and the story behind them they're probably just genetically gay because... well... GW. Sometimes the dumbest possibility is the one they roll with.
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Arquinsiel posted:Knowing GW and the story behind them they're probably just genetically gay because... well... GW. Sometimes the dumbest possibility is the one they roll with. It's gay. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Johnson quote:In 1893, Johnson wrote what some consider his masterpiece, "The Dark Angel". Over a century later, the poem inspired the Dark Angels chapter of Space Marines in the Warhammer 40,000 fictional universe. Lion El'Jonson, the chapter's central character, is also named after the poet http://www.thedarkfortress.co.uk/librarium/lionel_johnson.htm
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Shroud of Night was real good and, I think this is key, it enjoyable to read. Like, I like Abnett just fine, and some of ADB's work has been fantastic. But Shroud of Night was just genuinely fun and enjoyable to read as an act of reading. Even some of the better Black Library books don't always make that experience of reading enjoyable. It's not even a lighthearted or comedic book either. It was just genuinely a good ride.
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moths posted:Inquisitor War also had a cool genestealer cult segment IIRC. Those I can think of that doesn't: White Scars Imperial Fists (in 40k their sus-an membrane have stopped working though) Ultramarines Iron Warriors Death Guard (depends if you count their legendary resilience as a flaw I suppose) Dark Angels Night Lords (unless being loving nuts is a genetic flaw) Iron Hands World Eaters (the nails are after market cybernetics, not genetic) Luna Wolves Alpha Legion (maybe, who knows with them) That makes eleven out of eighteen, so I guess Emps got it mostly right.
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Is there a flaw within the Space Wolves gene seed? I know they can end up as wulfen and the canis helix is part of the implantation process, but I thought I'd read somewhere that it was the native Fenrisian population that had tinkered with their own genetics at some point in the past.
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Oh jeez, yah I forgot that being gay was a "flaw" 35 years ago. That didn't age well. I remember that the Imperial Fists were masochists (thanks, Ian Watson) and don't the White Scars have something like space restless legs syndrome?
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bango skank posted:Is there a flaw within the Space Wolves gene seed? I know they can end up as wulfen and the canis helix is part of the implantation process, but I thought I'd read somewhere that it was the native Fenrisian population that had tinkered with their own genetics at some point in the past.
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Angry marines? Anyways, Relic just killed Dawn of War 3 without so much as an expansion pack.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Angry marines? Wow? Was it received that badly?
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Groetgaffel posted:One of the early HH books, I forget which, mentions that there was scraps of wolf dna in already present in the VI gestation pod.  INCONCLUSIVE!
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bunnyofdoom posted:Wow? Was it received that badly? Yes.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Angry marines? Yes, because they tried to make a moba out of it, and it turned out dogshit. Just make loving DoW1 with updated graphics like you were supposed to, and no I don't want to hear your justification about how DoW2 was better because.... (it wasn't, CoH40k can be another game; Give me hordes and give me spectacle, that's what a DoW game should have been). Groetgaffel's list missed the most borked legion the emperor made; The Thousand Sons who would turn inside out if the winds of the warp turned the wrong way. As for the wolves, it's a bit convoluted, I think? there's mention that Leman's DNA was spliced with a wolves(or at least another/other primarchs think so) for the whole pack mentality/loyalty shtick, but I can't remember which book talks about it (either the HH one or battle of the fang) that it was the settlers of Fenris who had their DNA spliced with wolves in the early days to help with surviving on an iceworld, and as the recruitment process went on through generations the wolf dna became a problem, I forget. I've been putting off reading dark imperium does it touch much on the distinction between primaris marines and regular marines, or does it not come up. I'm glad I don't have to make peace with the fluff around that yet since it hasn't been in any novels I've read. I'm not looking forward to reading some author's interpretations, on quite how GW makes their space marine players buy more models, the thought makes me cringe. I have no issue with primarchs waking up and their reactions to the timeline (and GW charging £100 a model of them for all I care), but the big marines are such a transparent cash grab I will not read a loving thing that doesn't just simply refer to them any differently. They're dumb as gently caress, just announce a rescale with new bells and whistles the same mugs will still buy your poo poo without you making GBS threads on established setting races.
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From the looks of things DoW3 just barely made a profit. But not enough to make any additional effort into the game worthwhile. Especially when MOBA players don't even give much of a poo poo for it and have long ago gone back to LoL and DOTA. Also Shroud of Night is a good read. Little more than straight up bolter porn, that hopefully a followup book or two expands upon. But if all you want is the action then you'll be getting some of the best scenes in a while I felt. Lead Psychiatry fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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DoW2 was clearly the superior DoW and I will fight anyone who disagrees.
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I read dark imperium a month or two ago and cannot remember a single plot point, only that I was super unsatisfied, and it was very poorly written. Read watchers of the throne instead, or shroud of night.
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rocket_Magnet posted:Groetgaffel's list missed the most borked legion the emperor made; The Thousand Sons who would turn inside out if the winds of the warp turned the wrong way.  Someone mentioned the Scars and Fists, but in my mind their wanderlust and masochism respectively were cultural and/or psychological flaws, not genetic ones. Word Bearers on the other hand I remember reading somewhere was though to have a genetic predisposition towards zelotry.
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Biplane posted:DoW2 was clearly the superior DoW and I will fight anyone who disagrees. I respect DoW 2 but it was not to my taste. Honestly, 1 and 2 are how sequels should be - Two games different enough to appeal to different people while retaining the core of what makes the game fun. I resent every claim that 3 attempted to be a MOBA, it did not. It just tried to be a new and exciting eSports experience with its kooky Power Core mode and army deck building sheananigans. The issue is that they took away the classic positional depth all Relic games had, whereby cover matters, as well as destroying all sense of theme and character outside of the Orks, whose tech mechanic is the best they've ever had IMHO.
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I respect DoW 2 but it was not to my taste. Honestly, 1 and 2 are how sequels should be - Two games different enough to appeal to different people while retaining the core of what makes the game fun. 3 also had weird stuff like Terminators doing front flips that just really misses the point of what makes 40k cool and interesting.
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Mechafunkzilla posted:3 also had weird stuff like Terminators doing front flips that just really misses the point of what makes 40k cool and interesting. Did they bring in CS Goto to consult?
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Biplane posted:DoW2 was clearly the superior DoW and I will fight anyone who disagrees. I won't argue over which game is better, but DOW 2 did something right considering it was at one point one of the top played RTS titles on Steam, and its multiplayer, unbalanced as it was, had a very long shelf life. I was kind of worried that a supercut would make the art transition jarring, but it actually does a good job blending from the early scratch style into the more focused art he's been doing with the recent episodes. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Feb 9, 2018 |
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I've been wondering where to proceed after reading Eisenhorn, decided on the Ravenor trilogy and the Cain series. Hoping for good things.
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mythicknight posted:I've been wondering where to proceed after reading Eisenhorn, decided on the Ravenor trilogy and the Cain series. Hoping for good things. All good choices, though I may recommend a different genre to mix things up a bit. There's more to the universe than the Inquisition, after all.
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MMAgCh posted:Night Lords omnibus. Yeah, if you only read one thing about the traitor legions, make it this.
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Biplane posted:DoW2 was clearly the superior DoW and I will fight anyone who disagrees. 
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mythicknight posted:I've been wondering where to proceed after reading Eisenhorn, decided on the Ravenor trilogy and the Cain series. Hoping for good things. Caine gets really tiring and repetitive. Read one or two and move on. Come back if you run out of good stuff to read
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:I respect DoW 2 but it was not to my taste. Honestly, 1 and 2 are how sequels should be - Two games different enough to appeal to different people while retaining the core of what makes the game fun. Agreed about DoW3, it tried to simultaneously address all the complaints of DoW1 and DoW2 and ended up in this middle ground that was neither "tactical" like DoW2, nor "epic" like DoW1. They removed most of the sync kills because e-sports tryhards were always bitching about the invulnerability frames.
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I like reading Cain in between other 40k books. The much lighter tone is a nice change of pace. As for recommendations, Storm of Iron is one of the all time greats. Forges of Mars, now available as a handy omnibus is a personal favourite of mine. Enforcer is great for a more domestic view of the Imperium, as it follows a cop. Slow burn, but good. I also liked the Ahriman trilogy, as did I the Macharian Crusade trilogy. There's also a Sisters of Battle omnibus now. I read the two main novels in it years ago and liked them. Carrion Throne and The Emperor's Legion are pretty new, and they're really good.
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Groetgaffel posted:I like reading Cain in between other 40k books. The much lighter tone is a nice change of pace. I picked up forges of mars as a result of this post, and goddamn am I not disappointed. I really like how McNeill's stories all bleed into each other, and he's at his best with the hyper-tech of mecanicum dealings.
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Immanentized posted:I picked up forges of mars as a result of this post, and goddamn am I not disappointed. His Ultramarines novels are just the very definition of bland bolter porn, but give him anything to do with AdMech, and he outshines even Abnett imho. And on that note, I can heartily recommend the Horus Heresy novel Mechanicum by him. It's nice and self contained, and he shines as much with the 30k era Mechanicum as he does the 40k era Adeptus Mechanicus.
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The Macharius trilogy was fine if unspectacular. There's some interesting plot points but it gets dragged down by uneven writing and one-note characterization (even if it's an interesting or unique note) across all the books. Shame too. There was a lot of potential.
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berzerkmonkey posted:Yeah. The Genestealer Primus floats around space and, for whatever reason, develops a sentience above the normal GS "just gotta make babies!" level, and begins infiltrating the society it winds up in. Thanks. It is a concept I enjoy.
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