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Chicken posted:I hope you Americans can have a cool and good team next Olympics! *Ron Howard*: They won't.
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First watched curling in 2006 - calc teacher would have it on during study hall. There is a curling club in Pittsburgh. I...may have signed up to try. This is gonna be fun.
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Feb 10, 2018 08:18
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Hamiltons blew lead to other notable bad team the Chinese.
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Feb 10, 2018 10:38
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Maybe the Hamilton’s aren’t good. 
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Feb 10, 2018 11:50
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I don't know guys, America beat Norway and Norway beat Canada, which I think makes America the best team
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Feb 10, 2018 16:58
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The Americans are actually making 74% of their shots which is third best behind Canada and Norway. So they're playing well except they miss all the important shots! And they beat Norway and Russia who are sitting second and third right now. The Official Chicken Analysis is that they are Good curlers who are not used to mixed doubles. If that makes you guys feel better. Playoff picture is starting to get sorted out. Canada and !Russia are guaranteed a playoff spot. If Norway beats China, then Norway and Switzerland are in. If Norway loses to China and Switzerland loses to !Russia we'll see a tiebreaker! I think. I can't find the seeding information anywhere so it might be determined by who had the closest draws the the house at the beginning of the game over the tournament.
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Feb 10, 2018 17:17
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Chicken posted:I'm not sure exactly how they do it for the Olympics but it's probably pretty similar to how they do it in clubs. Ice making is a huge part of curling and there's a Canadian curling hero named Shorty Jenkins (A+ name) who's famous solely for ice making. To say nothing of the pink cowboy hat. gret posted:He keeps winning our trials so I'd imagine we don't have any one better. I'm kind of surprised random countries aren't poaching elite curlers from Canada who have a minuscule chance of going to the Olympics representing Canada. Russia was trying to do exactly that, recruiting a most of a team from the ranks of the Manitoba juniors. They wanted a decent showing in Sochi, but dropped the plan pretty early. Reported payday for those kids would have been $100,000 US per year for three years leading up to the 2014 games. Many (perhaps most teams) recruit a Canadian to coach. Someone also brought up curling needing some heels. Bingyu Wang's rink got a little too excited about Jennifer Jones missing a shot in a round robin game once and there was a lot of ink devoted to the lack of decorum on the part of the Chinese. One of their players was so excited for the win that she tossed her broom in the air! SCANDALOUS! To borrow a phrase from cricket, it's just not curling. Advanced Class Something interesting to note is that this will be the final Olympics with the four rock rule in the free guard zone. The various governing bodies of curling are implementing a five rock rule that will start up with the next Olympic cycle, which essentially begins this coming fall. This will alter the desirable characteristics for seconds, as their role for straight up heavy-hitting will diminish as they will have to have a bit more finesse with their first rock in ends with the hammer. I'm liking it because it might lead to more ticking, or at least attempts at it. Personally, I don't really see why the four rock rule was ever a thing in the first place. The three rock rule was there to help a trailing team establish a guard; five rock rule helps them establish two. Maybe four rocks was a necessary step to get it to where it really needed to be.
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Feb 10, 2018 19:07
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quote:Advanced Class I've always been a bit lost on the #-rock rules. I get that you don't want guards peeled constantly for blanks, but it always seemed to me that the early guards are there more to help the team without the hammer clutter up the house and force the hammer to take points if they can't steal. what's the difference between 4 and 5? How many ends really shape up where not letting the second from the team without the hammer peel is a detriment?
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Feb 10, 2018 19:21
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Mother of god what the US is doing to Norway right now is disgusting 
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Feb 10, 2018 22:44
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Chokes McGee posted:Mother of god what the US is doing to Norway right now is disgusting No poo poo, where were these Hamiltons in the last three games?
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Feb 10, 2018 22:47
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Theris posted:No poo poo, where were these Hamiltons in the last three games? Maybe they'll finally wake up for team now? 
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Feb 10, 2018 22:49
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That half-hug during the interview is a definite brother-sister hug.
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Feb 10, 2018 22:59
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Chicken posted:The Americans are actually making 74% of their shots which is third best behind Canada and Norway. So they're playing well except they miss all the important shots! And they beat Norway and Russia who are sitting second and third right now. yeah the whole mixed format seems weird in general. it's new? so it's not established with decades of history like, pairs figure skating or something, so the only people who seem to be playing it are a. brother/sisters b. wife/husbands or c. random pairing from okay curling teams that don't know each other but wanted to play in this event. it's a niche new? ruleset in an already niche sport, not really the best way to bring out the best players.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:17
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How does the selection process for Curling teams work? Do they take already very successful teams and send them to the olympics or do they attempt to make some sort of super team with standouts from multiple teams? I haven't watched any of the team curling matches yet, but I've very much enjoyed the mixed doubles format so far. Therefore, as I understand it, Kaitlyn Lawes is the greatest curler in the world.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:42
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Tolly Totes posted:How does the selection process for Curling teams work? Do they take already very successful teams and send them to the olympics or do they attempt to make some sort of super team with standouts from multiple teams? Canada has a big tournament, the teams are the ones who compete normally on the circuit/ in bonspiels, winner goes to the olympics. There's very little all star teaming outside of the occasional fun event.
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Feb 10, 2018 23:45
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Tolly Totes posted:I haven't watched any of the team curling matches yet, but I've very much enjoyed the mixed doubles format so far. Therefore, as I understand it, Kaitlyn Lawes is the greatest curler in the world.
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Feb 11, 2018 00:35
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ilmucche posted:I've always been a bit lost on the #-rock rules. I get that you don't want guards peeled constantly for blanks, but it always seemed to me that the early guards are there more to help the team without the hammer clutter up the house and force the hammer to take points if they can't steal. what's the difference between 4 and 5? How many ends really shape up where not letting the second from the team without the hammer peel is a detriment? Emma Miskew posted:We played a seventh end last year where we tried a hard shot to blank the end instead of an easy shot for a point because we were up by only one point at the time. We preferred being tied going into the eighth end with hammer (if we were to miss and give up a steal of one) rather than two points up without. That’s a decision we would never have made with the four-rock rule, where being up by two points is usually considered a control situation. That's from an article by Emma Miskew of Team Canada. The point isn't so much to help the team with or without hammer, rather it helps the team that's behind which leads to more exciting games. In the javelin event they have had to introduce more and more stringent requirements on the javelin because athletes were getting stronger and better technology meant the javelin could go further. The javelin event is inside a track and field oval, so to keep runners from dying they had to impose constraints on the sport. Curling faced a similar issue in the eighties. There was starting to be some money in curling which meant teams were training harder and becoming better. At the same time, ice making technology was starting to get better and rocks were becoming more standardized. Before the three rock rule you would routinely see games with scores like 4-3 and 3-1 because hits were now incredibly easy. To make the game more exciting to fans, they brought in the three rock rule in Canada in 1993. Since then, players have continued to get better, ice is a lot better and has a lot more curl, and sweeping research means rocks can be moved quite a bit as they move. It's a bit of an arms race. All this means guards are less effective as you can make a low weight takeout directly behind a high guard or you can easily peel two guards that aren't placed quite correctly. The five rock rule basically allows the team without hammer to set up three guards which are pretty unlikely to be removed in one shot. That gives the team a one rock buffer to play with and even a great hitting team won't be able to clear all the center guards until the third's shots at the very earliest. For the team with hammer you have more options but also more risk: you can play corner guards on each side, staggered corner guards on one side, a guard and a draw on one side, bury two rocks behind the center guards, or some combination. Every team will have different strategies depending on the score and it will be interesting to see what wins out. More rocks in play means cooler shots in my opinion. Tolly Totes posted:How does the selection process for Curling teams work? Do they take already very successful teams and send them to the olympics or do they attempt to make some sort of super team with standouts from multiple teams? As ilmucche said, Canada has a huge tournament to see who goes to the Olympics. Nine teams for each gender played in the final tournament and there was actually a pre tournament with fourteen teams of each gender just to get the last two spots in the final tournament. Other countries have a much smaller pool of teams to draw from and most of the European countries (and the US) will invite the top two to four teams to play a playoff to see who goes. The Asian countries and I believe Scotland/GBR choose a team to go based on who the committee thinks will do best. All star teams don't really happen although it's common to see one of the players from the opposing team come to the Olympics as an alternate player. And yeah Kaitlyn Lawes is very, very good and also just a genuinely nice person from what I've heard.
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Feb 11, 2018 00:50
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That was a long and boring post so here's a picture of one of the best curling teams in the world in 1968: Smoking on the ice wasn't banned at the Canadian men's championship until 1980! Possibly because it was sponsored by a tobacco company...
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Feb 11, 2018 00:58
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Minrad posted:yeah the whole mixed format seems weird in general. it's new? so it's not established with decades of history like, pairs figure skating or something, so the only people who seem to be playing it are a. brother/sisters b. wife/husbands or c. random pairing from okay curling teams that don't know each other but wanted to play in this event. it's a niche new? ruleset in an already niche sport, not really the best way to bring out the best players. Mixed doubles are indeed quite new and from my understanding, there were three reasons to bring it in. One, the IOC wanted more co-ed sports (see: the addition of luge relay, biathlon relay, and team skiing). Two, curling wanted a sport that was a bit more accessible to the average non-curling viewer. Mixed doubles games take about half as long as a regular game and are higher scoring and have more big shots. Thirdly, and a bit more far-fetched, was to see curling expand to countries that may not be able to support a full curling team. While there aren't any non-traditional curling countries at the Olympics this year, in past years countries like New Zealand, Spain, Austria, and Czechia have all medalled at the mixed doubles world championships. I hope that keeps up and you don't just see Canada, Scandinavia, and Switzerland dominating the mixed doubles. Mixed doubles has been played a bit longer in Europe and I think the players on the Russian team have only played mixed doubles at a high level and have never been on the men's or women's teams. So you might start to see junior curlers choosing to go into mixed doubles rather than seeing it just as a backup plan.
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Feb 11, 2018 01:15
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these mixed doubles are weird to watch at first but more curling is more curling, which is good enough for me 
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Feb 11, 2018 01:17
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The Korean dude does the hard blink every time he does a shot, at first I thought it was because he was making mistake but I think that's just something he does.
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Feb 11, 2018 01:20
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Tolly Totes posted:The Korean dude does the hard blink every time he does a shot, at first I thought it was because he was making mistake but I think that's just something he does. speaking of which, what a bad shot that just was. Right through didn't touch anything
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Feb 11, 2018 01:21
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Chicken posted:curling wanted a sport that was a bit more accessible to the average non-curling viewer. Mixed doubles games take about half as long as a regular game and are higher scoring and have more big shots. These are the first Curling games I've watched and I'm having fun E: Wow that was a great shot from Kaitlyn! Tolly Totes fucked around with this message at 01:27 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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Feb 11, 2018 01:24
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Kaitlyn threw the wrong color stone. I've never seen that happen before.
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Feb 11, 2018 01:58
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Josh Lyman posted:Kaitlyn threw the wrong color stone. I've never seen that happen before. She seemed pretty distressed by it too. A bit awkward all around
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Feb 11, 2018 02:06
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lol that John is making Kaitlyn sweep on every shot
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Feb 11, 2018 02:34
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Holy poo poo Kaitlyn! She is nailing it this game. Korea's numbers may not be great but they've had to face some incredibly hard shots and have done pretty well.
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Feb 11, 2018 02:35
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Olympic curling is one of the best times of the year, but... televised curling just isn't the same without Vic Rauter.
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Feb 11, 2018 02:40
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Minrad posted:yeah the whole mixed format seems weird in general. it's new? so it's not established with decades of history like, pairs figure skating or something, so the only people who seem to be playing it are a. brother/sisters b. wife/husbands or c. random pairing from okay curling teams that don't know each other but wanted to play in this event. it's a niche new? ruleset in an already niche sport, not really the best way to bring out the best players. it's a new thing but it's actually getting popular super-fast, and as I understand it the wife/husband thing was a major reason why it's exploded. at the club level there are a lot of couples who curl, and want to do travel bonspiels together. but there aren't many competitive invitational mixed events, and organizing a mixed travel team is harder. so a mixed doubles event you can travel with your SO and play a more competitive format. and the rule format is kinda weird with the artificial guard stones and power plays and other gimmicks, but some of that is about where curling is right now. there's posts earlier in the thread about how someone developed a new fabric that allowed crazy control and it got banned, right? well, people also figured out you could get some of the same effect with directional sweeping and other techniques, and they just have too much control over the rocks. the high level mens game got very boring to watch for a couple years. they didn't even bother to place guards because they were worthless, and a main strategy was throwing blank ends (ie no rocks left, no score). now they're increasing the guards to five to try to combat it.
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Feb 11, 2018 02:41
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I think I'm in love with Kaitlyn Lawes. e: oh wow, the US lost to Finland. gret fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Feb 11, 2018 |
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Feb 11, 2018 02:44
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Ok so according to wikipedia John Morris was one time known as the "bad boy of curling" and I really just don't see how that can be possible, partly because it's curling and partly because he seems like a fairly nice guy who is always complimenting his teammateChicken posted:Holy poo poo Kaitlyn! She is nailing it this game. I'm almost scared to see the women's team that apparently beat her team
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Feb 11, 2018 02:47
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Tolly Totes posted:Ok so according to wikipedia John Morris was one time known as the "bad boy of curling" and I really just don't see how that can be possible, partly because it's curling and partly because he seems like a fairly nice guy who is always complimenting his teammate quote:I'm almost scared to see the women's team that apparently beat her team 
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Feb 11, 2018 03:22
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Tolly Totes posted:I'm almost scared to see the women's team that apparently beat her team They probably aren’t much better than Kaitlyn. Kaitlyn’s team was at one point the dominant team but they are all 10-15 years older than her and she was brought to replace an older player. The team that beat her is all around her age. Between them, they’ve won 5 of the last 6 Canadian championships (3-2 Homan) but Homan and friends are set to dominate for the foreseeable future while Lawes’ team is just going to get worse. But that doesn’t really apply to Kaitlyn’s individual skills.
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Feb 11, 2018 03:29
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Josh Lyman posted:Rachel Homan is a stone cold (heh) killer and Jennifer Jones is old and washed up that's right I said it fight me This is a good opinion. Playoffs are almost set. Switzerland (2) plays Russia (3) while Canada (1) plays the winner of the China/Norway tiebreaker. Winners of those games go to the gold medal game and losers go to the bronze.
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Feb 11, 2018 03:58
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Josh Lyman posted:Is this... are you being facetious? No, I haven't seen a lot of these games yet, so I might be missing stuff but in the games I've seen him he's been nice enough. He had some calls that apparently didn't go well but he apologized pretty profusely for that. Maybe I'm not really familiar with norms and etiquette of curling but he doesn't really seem to be doing anything majorly offensive. On the other hand, I've heard him say stuff about how good Kaitlyn's shots were or how well she's been sweeping. But again I haven't seen any curling before like two days ago so I'm not working off of much.
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Feb 11, 2018 06:22
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https://twitter.com/MrT/status/962493805118177280
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Feb 11, 2018 13:50
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Chicken posted:
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Feb 11, 2018 16:03
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https://twitter.com/TeamShuster/status/962689349102940161 nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Feb 11, 2018 17:01
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Vertical Lime posted:https://twitter.com/TeamShuster/status/962689349102940161 
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China vs Norway on NBC Sports now. Everybody must get stoned. Apparently China accidentally moved a stone out of the house but Norway was allowed to put it back. #SweepGate
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