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mastershakeman posted:https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/02/01/us/larry-nassar-police-interview/index.html
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I've been reading this thread, and to be honest this is some "spotlight" level poo poo going on here. From top to bottom it just gets more and more vile. It seems that as soon as institutions become a certain size, people just don't seem to matter anymore. Is there a term for this? I mean the psychology behind it is just baffling. It can probably be explained and reasoned, but it is baffling to me.
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:I've been reading this thread, and to be honest this is some "spotlight" level poo poo going on here. From top to bottom it just gets more and more vile. institutional inertia means any institution will take aims to perpetuate itself at whatever cost.
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A big flaming stink posted:institutional inertia This is what I was looking for. Thanks.
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/961339065969848320 https://twitter.com/SenatorBaldwin/status/961387852247552000 Time to go big league.
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I'm continuing to think it's bad.
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Mr Shiny Pants posted:I've been reading this thread, and to be honest this is some "spotlight" level poo poo going on here. From top to bottom it just gets more and more vile.
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Well your organization letting say, ten rapes go undealt with is bad if people find out about it, so at that point why not cover up hundreds? Also they aren't actually paying a cost yet, a bunch of rich twats have resigned and will land in other rich twat jobs, that's how it works. Their job was to keep it running for years and they did.
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You're right. By "cost" I meant "the terrorizing assault of countless women" but the people in charge aren't actually paying for that (literally or otherwise). 
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It's not just gymnastics https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/961731465406017536
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burn the institutions down it reminds me of the catholic church the church knew probably sometimes between the late 40s and 60s, the public knew around 1985, but goddamn nothing happened until 2002 burn down: the patriarchy and institutions that a. protect b. shelter and c. encourage sexual predation
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stone cold posted:burn down: the patriarchy i guess we just have to do this someone i know just had a student come to them asking for help since someone who sexually assaulted them was going to be in the same field camp and she felt unsafe, this poo poo is anywhere and everywhere, on all levels of society and organizational hierarchy
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MSU is making more changes, getting rid of the dean of the college that employed Nassar https://www.reuters.com/article/gym...l-idUSL2N1PZ1VM quote:Feb 9 (Reuters) - Michigan State University is moving to fire a dean who it said had failed to enforce 2014 guidelines created for sports doctor Larry Nassar in treating young athletes after complaints of sexual misconduct against him.
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stone cold posted:
This is from a few year back, at a D3 school. There were (probably are more) 55 colleges under federal review. "Fader’s complaint comes as UW-Whitewater is facing with a federal probe into its handling of sexual assault cases. The university was one of only 55 colleges nationwide under investigation by the federal government in 2014 for failing to properly investigate campus sexual assault allegations. Fader believed the university was attempting to make an example out of him over a technical violation, court papers reveal." https://www.thedailybeast.com/college-coach-i-was-fired-for-reporting-campus-rape-to-police I don't know the daily beast, but this is more or less the story I've hear from recent alumni and current students. The problem is that it's literally all of them. Not even just universities. Every business, government, and non-profit has a reason to protect its execs. If the management looks bad the rest of the "establishment" looks bad. Patriarchy goes hand in hand with capitalism. gently caress capitalism. The problem isn't only sexual assault(I'll agree that it is a main problem),it's every cover up from drug use to money laundring.
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Quabzor posted:This is from a few year back, at a D3 school. capitalism is an issue but it’s not the issue the issue fundamentally stems from power imbalances, so while capitalism fundamentally is inclined to have patriarchy, they are not one and the same. be careful with conflating the issue. patriarchy is bigger than capitalism, because issues of power imbalances aren’t 100% a capitalist issue. or, in other words, smash the patriarchy and institutions
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Quabzor posted:The problem isn't only sexual assault(I'll agree that it is a main problem),it's every cover up from drug use to money laundring. Could a zealous federal prosecutor make a RICO case?
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Quabzor posted:This is from a few year back, at a D3 school. The Beast is a solid source - they’re made up of journalists from a bunch of high-profile magazines including Vanity Fair, the New Yorker, and Mother Jones.
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stone cold posted:capitalism is an issue but it’s not the issue A capitalist matriarchy would be as sexually abuse ridden, and an sexually egalitarian capitalist system would likewise be full of abuse. Smash capitalism, and the injustices fall away like dominoes
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LeJackal posted:A capitalist matriarchy would be as sexually abuse ridden, and an sexually egalitarian capitalist system would likewise be full of abuse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria#Sexual_predator just as the first example that comes to mind any system where one person has power over another person will be abused in some percentage of cases, which is why you need robust protections and reporting mechanisms for the less powerful in ALL situations
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LeJackal posted:A capitalist matriarchy would be as sexually abuse ridden, and an sexually egalitarian capitalist system would likewise be full of abuse. Quite possibly, but I think the point is that we don't actually live on a planet from star trek, we live on a planet that at this present time, has both wealth dominance and male dominance, and getting rid of one won't get rid of the other.
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Three of the four major enablers of Nasser were women. The whole system is corrupt
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mastershakeman posted:Three of the four major enablers of Nasser were women. The whole system is corrupt Patriarchy doesn't strictly mean that men do everything bad.
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OwlFancier posted:Patriarchy doesn't strictly mean that men do everything bad. Indeed, if patriarchy couldn't rely on the support of a sizeable fraction of women, it would have been smashed a very long time ago.
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Golly gee it sure is a good thing that there never was any kind of directly-comparable misbehaviour in the Soviet Union or anything oh hold on wait a minute there was and Olga Korbut was a victim Still, that's the Russians for you. I'm sure that, for instance, the noble German socialist state could never have done anything like that oh hold on wait a minute there was, aided and abetted by the state's official denial that such a thing could possibly exist in unsere DDR Trin Tragula fucked around with this message at 15:13 on Feb 10, 2018 |
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LeJackal posted:Smash capitalism, and the injustices fall away like dominoes Yes, just like all those times in human history beforehand, where everybody got along great and nobody took advantage of each other.
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Mozi posted:Yes, just like all those times in human history beforehand, where everybody got along great and nobody took advantage of each other. it’s almost like power imbalances are the issue when it comes to predation
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stone cold posted:it’s almost like power imbalances are the issue when it comes to predation Absolutely. I think the "smash capitalism, ????, all problems will be solved!" thing is naive. Capitalism is flawed, but it's not responsible for literally every bad thing that has happened or will happen in the world, and the sort of people who espouse that opinion are being counterproductive. You can see it with the legacy of incomplete de-Nazification in East Germany (after all, Nazism was the fault of capitalism, so good socialists needn't examine their complicity and responsibility), you can see it in the Berniebros who wonder why Black people weren't 100% behind Bernie all the time. It is the calling card of a white person, usually male, who is aggrieved that priority might be given to solving a problem that doesn't directly affect them -- a truly intolerable state of affairs.
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I mean the involvement of money certainly looks like a big part of the problem, it's a massive incentive for everyone involved to protect the organization and their careers at the expense of the athletes, but equally there is clearly a cultural idea at play that also is convincing them that this is an acceptable decision to make, that the abuse of the women and girls involved doesn't matter so much, which definitely smells rather patriarchal.
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I saw a lot of justifiable anger in this thread. But are the reasons for why administrations cover up for sex abusers substantially different from the reasons they cover up for any other bad behaviour? I imagine the psychology of it is similar in most cases. I kinda understand why people would cover their own asses in cases like this, even if it's despicable. What I find just as troubling is how people will mendaciously go to bat for "the team/the company/the movement etc" over really low-stakes affairs too. You see a lot of behaviour like that in academia and politics generally. Personally I didn't care much for the judge's showboating. Is it common for a judge to say things like, "I just signed your death warrant"? I like to see justice served ice cold, but less dramatically.
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Mukip posted:I saw a lot of justifiable anger in this thread. But are the reasons for why administrations cover up for sex abusers substantially different from the reasons they cover up for any other bad behaviour? I imagine the psychology of it is similar in most cases. You should see what judges say to poor black defendants
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Mukip posted:I saw a lot of justifiable anger in this thread. But are the reasons for why administrations cover up for sex abusers substantially different from the reasons they cover up for any other bad behaviour? I imagine the psychology of it is similar in most cases. "I understand why people cover up the terrible things they do but I think that woman's anger at a child molestor was unprofessional." 
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I mean personally I find it more disturbing when people cover up literally hundreds of incidences of child molestation than when dave doesn't tell his boss he saw bob stealing paperclips.
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LeJackal posted:Smash capitalism, and the injustices fall away like dominoes Yes, if we smash capitalism, power imbalances will cease to exist, along with greed and envy and so on. Let's do it.
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i find it disturbing when a judge says but for the constitution restraining them, they would have a defendant raped prison rape is not justice
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stone cold posted:i find it disturbing when a judge says but for the constitution restraining them, they would have a defendant raped I think everyone can agree with that, but I'm a little sick of the hand-wringing over the "death warrant" bit.
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PT6A posted:I think everyone can agree with that See now you're just saying that, but...
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I remain absolutely unable to care what happens to the fucker as long as it involves him not being around anybody else for the rest of his life, however long or short that might be. I think my capacity for empathy ends at maybe the five instances of child molestation mark. Maybe sooner!
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