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blunt posted:If you live in Chandler Arizona you can book one right now. unfortunately i live in a place with weather so it's unlikely i will see a vehicle like this for some time
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Let's not forget that Arizona, especially in the Phoenix area, does not give a single gently caress about regulation or human safety. Just because Chandler is willing to risk the tech doesn't mean that a better government would. The roads are well marked, in a very strict grid pattern, and completely lacking most roadside hazards. Also I grew up there and I lowkey hope the cars start purging everyone ASAP.
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Feb 11, 2018 02:47
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boner confessor posted:self driving cars have been operating without a safety driver since the early nineties. "it's just a few years away!" is something people have been saying for decades. I never get this line of thinking. How is research into things supposed to go? Everything works on day one or else it's fake? Like the engineers and researchers walk into the building and if they aren't finished with a commercial product by the end of the day it's a failure? Pretty much every technology of any complexity takes many many years to mature, the technologies that spring from idea to fully formed in a week or year are extremely rare it's not the norm at all. Eureka moments that create a full product from full cloth are the funnest stories but that is a 1 time out of a thousand way things get invented. If the first self driving car research had started last week it's not like you'd be saying "see, self driving cars are any moment now, they started it last week!"
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Feb 11, 2018 04:48
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Were you this upset when people made fun of Duke Nukem Forever?
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Feb 11, 2018 05:15
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OOCC how does it feel to know you will never be able to take a spur of the moment trip, in varying weather, in a self-driving car?
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Feb 11, 2018 06:10
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Gotta shove it full of caveats so you can move those goalposts asap
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Feb 11, 2018 06:27
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Don't goal your posts.
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Feb 11, 2018 06:29
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Trabisnikof posted:Gotta shove it full of caveats so you can move those goalposts asap Sorry what's your angle here? "Can drive on a straight road for 100 feet without catching fire marks the invention of self driving cars" in which case good news yall, it was solved 70 years ago by GM/ or "It's unfair that a self drving car might encounter rain, or a mispainted street"
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Feb 11, 2018 06:31
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How about getting fired for being late to work because it rained in the morning?
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Feb 11, 2018 06:32
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self driving cars are closer to being practical reality than at any other point in the history of cars. we now have technological systems which make self driving cars a feasible product instead of an experimental novelty. that being said, it does not mean they are imminent or that they are capable of filling the 1950's promise of full luxury automation
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Feb 11, 2018 06:46
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We will more likely than not see self driving taxi service available the public in multiple 1M+ person metros within 5 years. These services will most certainly be capable of handling weather conditions like fog or rain. I’m sure there are a bunch of non-taxi like services they won’t be able to perform and certainly expect rural and poor communities to get shafted. But the evidence that rollout of a taxi service from Cruise and Waymo is obvious at this point. Maybe the economics won’t work, but we’re going to see cars on the street taking hails from the general public first before we find that out.
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Feb 11, 2018 06:53
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Trabisnikof posted:We will more likely than not see self driving taxi service available the public in multiple 1M+ person metros within 5 years. These services will most certainly be capable of handling weather conditions like fog or rain. We haven't even seen tech demos of these things working in those conditions.
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Feb 11, 2018 06:57
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hobbesmaster posted:We haven't even seen tech demos of these things working in those conditions. Both Waymo and Cruise are testing their vehicles in those conditions on public streets. If your premise that it will be an impossible challenge to overcome, well we only have a few years to wait to prove me wrong.
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Feb 11, 2018 07:04
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fishmech posted:OOCC how does it feel to know you will never be able to take a spur of the moment trip, in varying weather, in a self-driving car? I had to skip my baby nephew's dumb baby birthday party today because it was snowing too hard to drive safely, do you think it's some sick burn that cars can't drive in bad weather? Cars already can't drive in bad weather. Oh no, I will have to throw these self driving cars in the trash can because they can only self drive 350 days a year instead of these manual cars that are only safe to drive 359 days a year.
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Feb 11, 2018 07:17
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I had to skip my baby nephew's dumb baby birthday party today because it was snowing too hard to drive safely, do you think it's some sick burn that cars can't drive in bad weather? Cars already can't drive in bad weather. Oh no, I will have to throw these self driving cars in the trash can because they can only self drive 350 days a year instead of these manual cars that are only safe to drive 359 days a year. Have you ever lived anywhere with snow?
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Feb 11, 2018 07:28
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hobbesmaster posted:Have you ever lived anywhere with snow? Yes. In a place it snows enough that even the Wal-Marts and mcdonalds sometimes close. Where a few days a year one simply can not go out because two feet of snow fell in a few hours. Where cars are not a safe or useable technology. (Plus many more days cars aren't safe but everyone drives anyway)
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Then you know that once the snow is cleared theres a thick layer of salt on the road throughout the winter that reduces the contrast between the road and the lane markers almost nothing.
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Feb 11, 2018 07:36
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I had to skip my baby nephew's dumb baby birthday party today because it was snowing too hard to drive safely, do you think it's some sick burn that cars can't drive in bad weather? Cars already can't drive in bad weather. Oh no, I will have to throw these self driving cars in the trash can because they can only self drive 350 days a year instead of these manual cars that are only safe to drive 359 days a year. My car drives in bad weather just fine. Why today it both rained and snowed and different points, and I was able to handle it fine in a 23 year old subie wagon. So I repeat: how does it feel to know that self driving cars will never be able to handle mere weather that an average driver in a car built 23 years ago can handle?
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Feb 11, 2018 07:51
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hobbesmaster posted:Then you know that once the snow is cleared theres a thick layer of salt on the road throughout the winter that reduces the contrast between the road and the lane markers almost nothing. Yeah. It sucks. But people manage it somehow. Nothing magic about how people do it that means cars can't. We just rely on other types of markers on and around the road. We don't peer through the snow with our human hearts or anything. At some point if the markings on the roads are insufficient for the cars on the roads they will just slowly replace the methods of road markings. If half the cars on the roads are machines and the problem of snow is never solvable eventually they would just spend less on highway signs and road paint and more on triangulation becons or whatever cars need. Or the companies that sell the cars will.
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Feb 11, 2018 08:07
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fishmech posted:
Why are you phrasing this like this? How does it feel?
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I meant to post this a while back, but you people decided to bring the subject back up: http://www.vttresearch.com/media/ne...ge-snow-and-ice It's not only private companies in sunny California working on the tech. Forums stopped loading for 15 minutes for me, could have saved you all a lot of posting effort over the last couple of posts.
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The snow argument is always a funny one to me since people seem to forget that for a huge part of the country driving a car in the snow isn't something you have to deal with anyways. Where I live the most it snows per year is 5-10 days and when that happens most everyone just stays home. Trading off being able to still attempt to drive on those days vs getting driven around the rest of the year is a no-brainer.
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a good chunk of the country lives in the northeast and midatlantic and it snows here a lot more often than that usually. the weird thing is i don't see how an ai system can't solve that issue. it beats human beings at go can they not teach it to learn how wide lanes are and poo poo?
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Yeah I don't get why everyone keeps making dumb statements about self driving cars. If people can drive in X conditions then it is clearly physically possible to drive in X conditions. If cars can drive in Y but not X conditions, then that's a problem of adding enough sensors and computing power, not some totally insurmountable barrier. Eventually (assuming we keep trying) there will be an adequate self driving car that can do the same things a human-driven car does. The only question is when and built by whom (probably not uber  ).
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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hobbesmaster posted:Then you know that once the snow is cleared theres a thick layer of salt on the road throughout the winter that reduces the contrast between the road and the lane markers almost nothing. Reliable streaming video requires considerably more bandwidth than the dialup connections home users are stuck with will ever be able to provide, therefore cable TV remains the wave of the future
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suck my woke dick posted:The only question is when and built by whom (probably not uber Human Uber already limits it's destinations in inclement weather.
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Groovelord Neato posted:a good chunk of the country lives in the northeast and midatlantic and it snows here a lot more often than that usually. It beats human beings at Go after over a half century of active effort behind it along with a big ol data center room to run the processing on. Plus the scenario it needs to consider strategy against changes only a few times a minute at best. It's not really comparable to what can fit in a car or what you can rely on sending back and forth between a car and a remote data center (introducing measurable amounts of lag, mind, which is easy to end up worse than the slow response of a person). The problem of the self driving car is that it's easy to get like 90% of the way there, but the remaining 10% is all the stuff like "weather that affects visibility" and "human drivers pull dumb poo poo all the time on crowded roadways". Owlofcreamcheese posted:Why are you phrasing this like this? Because you're clearly hyped up about how this time, surely, they'll be here any day now unlike the 80 years they'd be here any day now.
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fishmech posted:
http://copradar.com/redlight/factors/index.html 1.) Driver Reaction Times (tr) Driver reaction time includes recognizing the light has changed, deciding to continue or brake, and if stopping engaging the brake (remove foot from accelerator and apply brake). Reaction times vary greatly with situation and from person to person between about 0.7 to 3 seconds (sec or s) or more. Some accident reconstruction specialists use 1.5 seconds. A controlled study in 2000 (IEA2000_ABS51.pdf) found average driver reaction brake time to be 2.3 seconds. The study included all driver types, test were conducted on a controlled track and in a driving simulator. Vs 
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suck my woke dick posted:Yeah I don't get why everyone keeps making dumb statements about self driving cars. The issue is the PR people keep saying all our dreams will occur in just a couple years so when anyone with knowledge says more like decades, they get shouted down for being a pessimist who just doesn't understand the future. Edit: never mind the people apparently don't know how taxis companies operate
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because it likely isn't decades.
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At this point we might as well leapfrog into making self-steering boats.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:At this point we might as well leapfrog into making self-steering boats.
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duz posted:The issue is the PR people keep saying all our dreams will occur in just a couple years so when anyone with knowledge says more like decades, they get shouted down for being a pessimist who just doesn't understand the future. What happens "in decades" exactly? If you think it's impossible now what changes in 2070 that makes it possible? What technology are you saying we are waiting on? specifically and what sets the timeline?
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Vegetable posted:Autopilot already exists for boats; they still require somebody to pay attention to the seas, though. I doubt they can handle dense canal traffic, though.
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Feb 11, 2018 17:32
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Yeah, that's a good example. "There's a lot of issues to sort out" "Oh, so you think it's impossible?"
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The Navy just accepted the Sea Hunter into the fleet two weeks ago. It's an autonomous vessel meant to patrol for submarines. The press release and videos with overly dramatic music are here. https://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2018-01-30a
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Absurd Alhazred posted:At this point we might as well leapfrog into making self-steering boats. You mean like the US Navy has? https://www.theverge.com/2016/4/8/11391840/us-navy-autonomous-ship-sea-hunter-christened efb
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RandomPauI posted:The Navy just accepted the Sea Hunter into the fleet two weeks ago. It's an autonomous vessel meant to patrol for submarines. The press release and videos with overly dramatic music are here. Trabisnikof posted:You mean like the US Navy has? Neat!
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