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Preoptopus
Aug 25, 2008

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Russia lost an An - 148 right after take off out of Moscow.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43024235

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Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

It may or may have not clipped a chopper, which remains may or may have not been found. Ah, Russia.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Guy you know planes sometimes

y'know

crash

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

That's quite the safety record the An-148 has racked up...

39 built, 2 crashed

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

MrChips posted:

That's quite the safety record the An-148 has racked up...

39 built, 2 crashed

The first one was structural failure after going 60 knots over Vne, I don’t know you can blame that 100% on the aircraft.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Jonny Nox posted:

Guillotines are hungry bitches who bite the hands that feed them.

A tradition that actually predates the guillotine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsiXZlv3vKw

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

MrChips posted:

That's quite the safety record the An-148 has racked up...

39 built, 2 crashed

1-in-20? Lots of planes have reached worse ratios than that.

IL-76: 960 built, 75 crashed (one in twelve)
Tu-154: 1026 made, 110 crashed (one in ten)
F-104G: 1100 built, 270 crashed (one in four)
SR-71: 32 built, 12 crashed (one in three)

plus uncountable prototypes where the only one made was destroyed.

Admittedly it is a terrible record for a relatively modern passenger jet.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

Sagebrush posted:

1-in-20? Lots of planes have reached worse ratios than that.

IL-76: 960 built, 75 crashed (one in twelve)
Tu-154: 1026 made, 110 crashed (one in ten)
F-104G: 1100 built, 270 crashed (one in four)
SR-71: 32 built, 12 crashed (one in three)

plus uncountable prototypes where the only one made was destroyed.

Admittedly it is a terrible record for a relatively modern passenger jet.

Icon A5: 23 built, 3 crashed (one in eight)

At the time of the first A320 crash, only 15 had been built. The A400M that crashed in Seville was the 22nd built.

Until we know what caused this crash, I think it's premature to conjecture it's a flaw in the type itself.

PT6A fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Feb 12, 2018

in a well actually
Jan 26, 2011

dude, you gotta end it on the rhyme

Jon Ostower or someone on twitter mentioned this one was in the first batch produced, which had an abnormally high (even for recent Russian jets) mechanical failure rate.

First crash in 440 days.

ApathyGifted
Aug 30, 2004
Tomorrow?
The funny thing about me bringing up the Musk assistant anecdote if that I wasn't even thinking about the unfairness or the bullshittedness of it, it's the drat stupidity of the idea.

You don't hire someone to do their job better than you can (especially if you're a savant as Musk apparently is). You hire them so you don't have to do that poo poo and can spend your time doing something else. I'm sure I can clean toilets better than most people if I put my mind to it, but I ain't firing the janitor and taking over his job if I someday become CEO of a company.

Likewise, if you really wanna show you're the best, you'd swap jobs. CEO works as the assistant, assistant works as the CEO. If the assistant does a better job running the company, you either GTFO or accept you're the bottom bitch now.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ApathyGifted posted:

I'm sure I can clean toilets better than most people if I put my mind to it, but I ain't firing the janitor and taking over his job if I someday become CEO of a company.

i'm gonna submit this to goons.txt fyi

movax
Aug 30, 2008

Elon Musk is a smart man who was in the right place at the right time several times, and has a talent for marketing and showmanship. His fortune during the dot-coms made him the guy who could actually make dreams come true.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
This is both aeronautical and insane.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...m=.0d7a9aafaaf2

Iranian RQ-alike flying wing gets potted by an attack helicopter.

I was pretty sure at the time that they didn't hax0r an RQ-170, and they were parading a bunch of F-5 parts and quick-expanding foam. But maybe not. Though the fact that it got got by a helicopter seems to argue against it's stealthness.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

well i for one am shocked, truly shocked, that the country whose "stealth fighter" prototype looked like one of the plastic models i assembled when i was 8 years old, complete with gluey fingerprint stains on the canopy, cannot actually build an aerial vehicle capable of evading detection

evilbastard
Mar 6, 2003

Hair Elf

ApathyGifted posted:

The funny thing about me bringing up the Musk assistant anecdote if that I wasn't even thinking about the unfairness or the bullshittedness of it, it's the drat stupidity of the idea.

You don't hire someone to do their job better than you can (especially if you're a savant as Musk apparently is). You hire them so you don't have to do that poo poo and can spend your time doing something else. I'm sure I can clean toilets better than most people if I put my mind to it, but I ain't firing the janitor and taking over his job if I someday become CEO of a company.

Likewise, if you really wanna show you're the best, you'd swap jobs. CEO works as the assistant, assistant works as the CEO. If the assistant does a better job running the company, you either GTFO or accept you're the bottom bitch now.

The whole assistant thing has been denied by Musk.

He says he had the issue where he had the same secretary for 10 years, but she was a "generalist" so he replaced her with multiple specialists and gave her a 52-week severance package.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Slo-Tek posted:

I was pretty sure at the time that they didn't hax0r an RQ-170, and they were parading a bunch of F-5 parts and quick-expanding foam.

Without commenting on the particulars of what did or didn't bring down the RQ-170, the US has openly acknowledged that Iran got a hold of an RQ-170. They just didn't confirm how it was that it came to be sitting on the ground in Iran rather than flying over Iran.

Quinntan
Sep 11, 2013

Godholio posted:

History is replete with successful leaders who were non particularly friendly people, yet managed to do positive things. I'd amend your proposal to limit it to the assholes who don't provide anything advantageous for humanity. So Musk, Washington, and Patton get to keep their heads.

Patton was kinda poo poo though?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Quinntan posted:

Patton was kinda poo poo though?

We talking General Patton? Could be an rear end in a top hat, but he was pretty good at stuff.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Sagebrush posted:

1-in-20? Lots of planes have reached worse ratios than that.

IL-76: 960 built, 75 crashed (one in twelve)
Tu-154: 1026 made, 110 crashed (one in ten)
F-104G: 1100 built, 270 crashed (one in four)
SR-71: 32 built, 12 crashed (one in three)

plus uncountable prototypes where the only one made was destroyed.

Admittedly it is a terrible record for a relatively modern passenger jet.

I'm in the middle of reading Outlaws Inc. right now and the IL-76 is a good example of how a plane might have a good design and be well piloted, but still have a high crash ratio simply because of the vibrant second life they have flying around Africa/South America/the Middle East

FuturePastNow
May 19, 2014


When a plane crashes right after takeoff in Russia in the winter, I think ice is probably the #1 suspect.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

FuturePastNow posted:

When a plane crashes right after takeoff in Russia in the winter, I think ice is probably the #1 suspect.

Vodka on ice #2

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Ola posted:

Vodka on ice #2

Somebody being iced by the KGBFSB #3

vessbot
Jun 17, 2005
I don't like you because you're dangerous
Type 1 full body, type 4 shaken not stirred

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

I found this while looking for something else. Perhaps allowing people to fake credentials is not such a good thing?

Also: A B-52 replacement

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
B-52 will fly until the heat death of the universe.

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

Nah, it'll still be going after that

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Sagebrush posted:

i'm gonna submit this to goons.txt fyi

He’s technically correct because most people are not janitors or plumbers.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Sagebrush posted:

well i for one am shocked, truly shocked, that the country whose "stealth fighter" prototype looked like one of the plastic models i assembled when i was 8 years old, complete with gluey fingerprint stains on the canopy, cannot actually build an aerial vehicle capable of evading detection

i'm gonna submit this to goons.txt fyi

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Haven't seen this here yet, but Emirates converted a bunch of options to firm orders for the 380 so it's going to be in production for about 10 more years, possibly longer if they firm more
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/emirates-firms-order-for-20-a380s-445801/

I imagine Airbus made it pretty sweet.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

slidebite posted:


I imagine Airbus made it pretty sweet.

I.e. they bribed the poo poo out of some sheiks.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

slidebite posted:

Haven't seen this here yet, but Emirates converted a bunch of options to firm orders for the 380 so it's going to be in production for about 10 more years, possibly longer if they firm more
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/emirates-firms-order-for-20-a380s-445801/

I imagine Airbus made it pretty sweet.

20 or 36 airframes won't last ten more years. The 2027 date from the article includes current backlog.

Cat Mattress fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Feb 12, 2018

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

slidebite posted:

Haven't seen this here yet, but Emirates converted a bunch of options to firm orders for the 380 so it's going to be in production for about 10 more years, possibly longer if they firm more
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/emirates-firms-order-for-20-a380s-445801/

I imagine Airbus made it pretty sweet.

Airbus desperately needed some good news, seeing as they're in deep poo poo right now as a result of an ever-widening corruption investigation , as well as reports now that as many as a third of Pratt & Whitney powered A320neos have yet another serious engine problem.. Apparently there is an issue with the seal between the shaft and the rear of the compressor section, where a previous problem was identified and a fix was attempted.

Interestingly, this problem only seems to be affecting the Airbus-spec PW1100G and not the PW1500G on the CSeries - presumably because of the higher thrust demanded by A320 rather than the CSeries.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Lol I work at Pratt and wasn't aware of this one. They have a habit of good news only reporting that everyone complains about.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Interesting that all the Rolls Royce equipped 787s parked awaiting parts hasn't been reported as a risk to Boeing. I think there's a lot of stuff that goes on that's just routine mods/fixes/fixes for the fixes/fixes for when the last fix didn't fix it, etc that stays behind the firewall so to speak, so that when something does get reported it seems like a big deal. But really it's just business as usual. Ok so a bunch of engines have a bad seal. So you run an intensive maintenance program to swap them out and change the seals. Other than maybe a potential slowdown of production, it shouldn't affect Airbus much at all, it's UTAS that's going to have to eat the warranty repair costs.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Cat Mattress posted:

20 or 36 airframes won't last ten more years. The 2027 date from the article includes current backlog.

I didn't mean to imply that was the case. With the addition of these orders it'll keep the lines open for almost 10 years possibly longer if they order more.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

BBC reporting iced sensors likely cause of An-148 crash

It seems a flyable aircraft was once again crashed :smith:

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Spaceflight Update on NASA's Image:

They've been able to download diag info from the craft, batteries are fully charged and it appears to be functioning, granted through only the A side Bus, which was thought to be dead. Can't talk back to it yet, but its nice to see it come back to life.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/nasa-image-confirmed

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Nebakenezzer posted:

BBC reporting iced sensors likely cause of An-148 crash

It seems a flyable aircraft was once again crashed :smith:

Pitot heating was on for last 15 departures, not this one. No word yet on de-icing systems - what does an An-148 use anyway?

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

CommieGIR posted:

Spaceflight Update on NASA's Image:

They've been able to download diag info from the craft, batteries are fully charged and it appears to be functioning, granted through only the A side Bus, which was thought to be dead. Can't talk back to it yet, but its nice to see it come back to life.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2018/nasa-image-confirmed

Thanks for that. Things like that fascinate me. I wonder how many spacecraft that are thought dead and adrift are actually alive and just waiting to be contacted.

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MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Mokotow posted:

Pitot heating was on for last 15 departures, not this one. No word yet on de-icing systems - what does an An-148 use anyway?

I remember an episode of Air Crash Investigation where a plane crashed in (I think) the Caribbean because it was overloaded and the pilots turned off de-icing to conserve power. Wonder if anything like that could have happened here.

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