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Bruegels Fuckbooks: Sep 14, 2004; Now, listen - I know the two of you are very different from each other in a lot of ways, but you have to understand that as far as Grandpa's concerned, you're both pieces of shit! Yeah. I can prove it mathematically.

Suspicious Dish posted:

i swear i posted this startup in here before but just

this whole idea. i do not like it

https://stdlib.com/

quote:

We're making web development simple again.

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Pixelboy: Sep 13, 2005; Now, I know what you're thinking...

feedmegin posted:

Looks like a tasty Tide pod

I found this way funnier than it probably is.... Now the image of a guy coding at his desk munching on a tide pod is stuck in my head

# ? Feb 10, 2018 00:46

Suspicious Dish: Sep 24, 2011; 2020 is the year of linux on the desktop, bro; Fun Shoe

https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Statement-Exprs.html

This even says "Jumping into a statement expression with goto or using a switch statement outside the statement expression with a case or default label inside the statement expression is not permitted."

So I'm guessing it's just undefined behavior from the compiler.

# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:55

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

Clang just forgot some error checking when reimplementing a nonstandard extension, presumably because the goal was mostly just to make sure they could compile existing things targetting gcc.

# ? Feb 10, 2018 21:04

boo_radley: Dec 30, 2005; Politeness costs nothing

A crypto currency exchange lost $170 million because a check account balance was only implemented as client-side JavaScript

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:15

Happy Thread: Jul 10, 2005; by Fluffdaddy; Plaster Town Cop

For years on my Thinkpads I have been tolerating the behavior that clicks just do not work sometimes. There's no explanation given for this behavior and Googling just that is of no help.

I eventually realized it only ignores clicks right after typing, or while typing. Only after realizing that, plus days more of Googling different things, can one find out that Windows 10 has a "feature" for touchpad-friendliness to disable touch for one second if the keyboard is used.

This obviously makes playing games impossible (such as web games, not ones that explicitly take over all controls). You simply can't use the keyboard and mouse together.

I make web games, so this has tormented me endlessly as it's always a guessing game as to whether the page got the input I entered or not.

The code horror is where I found the solution to turning this behavior off. In Windows 10 you have to find this exact settings page, which gives you these choices:

These counter intuitive choices have terrible hidden side effects. If you choose anything besides "Most Sensitive" here, Windows 10 will take that to mean that you obviously want all clicks to be ignored for one second whenever the keyboard is used.

:stare:

Who thought that was a good idea, and how many people have lost productivity from not knowing the true meaning of "Most Sensitive"?

Happy Thread fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Feb 11, 2018

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:29

xtal: Jan 9, 2011; by Fluffdaddy

e: not opening the windows can of worms lol

# ? Feb 11, 2018 21:38

QuarkJets: Sep 8, 2008

xtal posted:

e: not opening the windows can of worms lol

Why not? Seems on-topic for the thread

# ? Feb 11, 2018 22:04

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

The labeling is terrible, but touch rejection during typing is basically required for larger touchpads for people who rest their hands on the laptop while typing.

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canis minor: May 4, 2011

# ? Feb 12, 2018 00:50

Nude: Nov 16, 2014; I have no idea what I'm doing.

Dumb Lowtax posted:

For years on my Thinkpads I have been tolerating the behavior that clicks just do not work sometimes. There's no explanation given for this behavior and Googling just that is of no help.

I eventually realized it only ignores clicks right after typing, or while typing. Only after realizing that, plus days more of Googling different things, can one find out that Windows 10 has a "feature" for touchpad-friendliness to disable touch for one second if the keyboard is used.

This obviously makes playing games impossible (such as web games, not ones that explicitly take over all controls). You simply can't use the keyboard and mouse together.

I make web games, so this has tormented me endlessly as it's always a guessing game as to whether the page got the input I entered or not.

The code horror is where I found the solution to turning this behavior off. In Windows 10 you have to find this exact settings page, which gives you these choices:

These counter intuitive choices have terrible hidden side effects. If you choose anything besides "Most Sensitive" here, Windows 10 will take that to mean that you obviously want all clicks to be ignored for one second whenever the keyboard is used.

Who thought that was a good idea, and how many people have lost productivity from not knowing the true meaning of "Most Sensitive"?

This reminded me when I tried to disable a hard coded keybind in OSX which is alt+click when switching between windows. What it does is hide the current window and focuses on the one you click on. This gets really annoying when I have maya on the left, and a reference on the right. As maya uses alt click to rotate the 3D model, so naturally I just forget when switching between the two. I'm really curious if there are people out there who know/use alt click for its original purpose.

I still haven't found a way to disable it.

Nude fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 12, 2018

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Sedro: Dec 31, 2008

canis minor posted:

iSeries call, oh boy

# ? Feb 12, 2018 02:01

duck monster: Dec 15, 2004

TIME TO VOMIT BLOOD OVER EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR

http://www.veryant.com/products/cobol-mobile.html

quote:

isCOBOL Mobile from Veryant, now available for Android compatible devices, provides a comprehensive, cost-effective COBOL solution for application development on mobile devices. Developers that are thinking to provide applications running on tablets and phones can take advange of this new add-on of isCOBOL Evolve suite for many reasons:
<snip>hate hate hate</snip>

# ? Feb 12, 2018 06:00

bob dobbs is dead: Oct 8, 2017; I love peeps; Nap Ghost

This guy i worked with worked for Microsoft previously

Apparently they spent a lotta time thinking about making a sql query thing for Windows file system, with both programmatic api and repl

Have them injections in your drat file explorer

# ? Feb 12, 2018 06:12

LOOK I AM A TURTLE: May 22, 2003; "I'm actually a tortoise."; Grimey Drawer

duck monster posted:

TIME TO VOMIT BLOOD OVER EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR

http://www.veryant.com/products/cobol-mobile.html

I tried to find a picture of Grace Hopper smiling at the camera, but no such picture seems to exist, so this will have to do:

# ? Feb 12, 2018 09:53

Sagacity: May 2, 2003; Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.

quote:

apparently they spent a lotta time thinking about making a sql query thing for Windows file system, with both programmatic api and repl

The idea was quite good, but at some point this thing "internet" took over and people use online services to organize their stuff with tags and labels anyway, so the whole "database file system" became a bit useless

# ? Feb 12, 2018 10:03

feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

duck monster posted:

TIME TO VOMIT BLOOD OVER EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR

http://www.veryant.com/products/cobol-mobile.html

I get the impression their marketing guy isn't a native English speaker

# ? Feb 12, 2018 13:09

canis minor: May 4, 2011

duck monster posted:

TIME TO VOMIT BLOOD OVER EVERYTHING YOU HOLD DEAR

http://www.veryant.com/products/cobol-mobile.html

https://udash.io/

quote:

Based on Scala.js Udash is a Scala framework for building beautiful and maintainable Web Applications

# ? Feb 12, 2018 15:23

M31: Jun 12, 2012

code:

PROGRAM-ID. hello. 
CONFIGURATION SECTION. 
REPOSITORY. 
    class web-area as "com.iscobol.rts.HTTPHandler"
    . 

WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 
01 hello-buffer identified by "_comm_buffer"
   03 filler identified by "_status"
      05 response-status pic x(2). 
   03 filler identified by "_message" 
      05 response-message pic x any length. 
   03 filler identified by "hellotext"
      05 xml-hellotext pic x any length. 

LINKAGE SECTION. 
01 lnk-area object reference web-area. 

PROCEDURE DIVISION using lnk-area. 
main-logic. 
    move "Operation successful" to response-message. 
    move "OK" to response-status. 
    move "Hello World from isCOBOL!" to xml-hellotext.
    lnk-area:>displayXML (hello-buffer).
    goback.

quote:

goback.

As if using COBOL isn't enough you also get to gently caress around with Java deployment descriptors and jQuery v1.

edit:
The above code doesn't actually do anything, you need to create a WebView from Java, then use jQuery 1 to query the webserver running in COBOL (on Java) to display anything. Also, the tutorial skips all good practices from the last 10 years and uses a version of the Android SDK that hasn't been supported since 2015.

M31 fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Feb 12, 2018

# ? Feb 12, 2018 18:18

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

M31 posted:

code:
PROGRAM-ID. hello. 
CONFIGURATION SECTION. 
REPOSITORY. 
    class web-area as "com.iscobol.rts.HTTPHandler"
    . 

WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 
01 hello-buffer identified by "_comm_buffer"
   03 filler identified by "_status"
      05 response-status pic x(2). 
   03 filler identified by "_message" 
      05 response-message pic x any length. 
   03 filler identified by "hellotext"
      05 xml-hellotext pic x any length. 

LINKAGE SECTION. 
01 lnk-area object reference web-area. 

PROCEDURE DIVISION using lnk-area. 
main-logic. 
    move "Operation successful" to response-message. 
    move "OK" to response-status. 
    move "Hello World from isCOBOL!" to xml-hellotext.
    lnk-area:>displayXML (hello-buffer).
    goback. 
As if using COBOL isn't enough you also get to gently caress around with Java deployment descriptors and jQuery v1.

edit:
The above code doesn't actually do anything, you need to create a WebView from Java, then use jQuery 1 to query the webserver running in COBOL (on Java) to display anything. Also, the tutorial skips all good practices from the last 10 years and uses a version of the Android SDK that hasn't been supported since 2015.

Awful.apk rewrite looking good

# ? Feb 12, 2018 18:59

Ochowie: Nov 9, 2007

Sagacity posted:

bob dobbs is dead posted:
This guy i worked with worked for Microsoft previously

Apparently they spent a lotta time thinking about making a sql query thing for Windows file system, with both programmatic api and repl

Have them injections in your drat file explorer

The idea was quite good, but at some point this thing "internet" took over and people use online services to organize their stuff with tags and labels anyway, so the whole "database file system" became a bit useless

Wasn't this one of the things they wanted to do for Longhorn that got dropped in the rush to release Vista?

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:31

The Fool: Oct 16, 2003

Ochowie posted:

Wasn't this one of the things they wanted to do for Longhorn that got dropped in the rush to release Vista?

Yes

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:35

Plorkyeran: Mar 22, 2007; To Escape The Shackles Of The Old Forums, We Must Reject The Tribal Negativity He Endorsed

WinFS initially survived the Vista pivot and was going to come out in a post-release service pack, but even with a few more years of work on it they never really got it to a usable state.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 21:54

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

I always thought WinFS was a neat idea and I hoped they would get it going.

To this day I've never been happy with the various local indexing solutions.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 22:31

Volguus: Mar 3, 2009

Thermopyle posted:

I always thought WinFS was a neat idea and I hoped they would get it going.

To this day I've never been happy with the various local indexing solutions.

It is a neat idea (there was a MySQL FUSE filesystem too in linux). The problem is that Google made all of it irrelevant. Local indexing? Not an issue anymore. Upload it to the cloud and google will be more than happy to index them for you. Global indexing? At your fingertips, just need a web browser.

# ? Feb 12, 2018 23:31

Thermopyle: Jul 1, 2003; ...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. �Bertrand Russell

Volguus posted:

It is a neat idea (there was a MySQL FUSE filesystem too in linux). The problem is that Google made all of it irrelevant. Local indexing? Not an issue anymore. Upload it to the cloud and google will be more than happy to index them for you. Global indexing? At your fingertips, just need a web browser.

Yeah, that's what I've been doing for years, but I'd rather it be as easy as searching from the start menu whose search I find lacking.

Start key, type, enter...my document opens. Not quite as smooth as that when using Google Drive.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 02:30

duck monster: Dec 15, 2004

M31 posted:

code:
PROGRAM-ID. hello. 
CONFIGURATION SECTION. 
REPOSITORY. 
    class web-area as "com.iscobol.rts.HTTPHandler"
    . 

WORKING-STORAGE SECTION. 
01 hello-buffer identified by "_comm_buffer"
   03 filler identified by "_status"
      05 response-status pic x(2). 
   03 filler identified by "_message" 
      05 response-message pic x any length. 
   03 filler identified by "hellotext"
      05 xml-hellotext pic x any length. 

LINKAGE SECTION. 
01 lnk-area object reference web-area. 

PROCEDURE DIVISION using lnk-area. 
main-logic. 
    move "Operation successful" to response-message. 
    move "OK" to response-status. 
    move "Hello World from isCOBOL!" to xml-hellotext.
    lnk-area:>displayXML (hello-buffer).
    goback. 
As if using COBOL isn't enough you also get to gently caress around with Java deployment descriptors and jQuery v1.

edit:
The above code doesn't actually do anything, you need to create a WebView from Java, then use jQuery 1 to query the webserver running in COBOL (on Java) to display anything. Also, the tutorial skips all good practices from the last 10 years and uses a version of the Android SDK that hasn't been supported since 2015.

My first IT job in the early 90s was maintaining lovely old COBOL for the tax dept. God I detest that language.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 03:04

duck monster: Dec 15, 2004

canis minor posted:

https://udash.io/

https://github.com/azac/cobol-on-wheelchair

At least these guys have a sense of humor about it.

"Report-host-terminal" pattern lol

duck monster fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Feb 13, 2018

# ? Feb 13, 2018 03:06

RobertKerans: Aug 25, 2006; There is a heppy lend
Fur, fur aw-a-a-ay.

Naming is hard:

http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2018-February/094769.html

This collection of absolute loving morons on show here is...something I guess.

(tl/dr guy who wrote the Erlang webserver Cowboy releases a package manager. It's called Coon. Mononcqc politely suggests that this a bad name. Cowboy guy plants his flag on his hill, several other fuckwits join him, someone suggests if it gets on Reddit front page any publicity would be good publicity, yadda yadda yadda)

Edit: Cowboy guy didn't release it, he just seems to be staunchest defender of the name

RobertKerans fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Feb 13, 2018

# ? Feb 13, 2018 03:12

Nude: Nov 16, 2014; I have no idea what I'm doing.

RobertKerans posted:

Naming is hard:

http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2018-February/094769.html

This collection of absolute loving morons on show here is...something I guess.

(tl/dr guy who wrote the Erlang webserver Cowboy releases a package manager. It's called Coon. Monoqc politely suggests that this a bad name. Cowboy guy plants his flag on his hill, several other fuckwits join him, someone suggests if it gets on Reddit front page any publicity would be good publicity, yadda yadda yadda)

I would like to present a list of well known emacs packages/terminology:
Smex
Ffap
Tramp
Sexp

And it seems like I'm the only one who notices haha. But I agree that's a particular bad name, and I'm not surprise programmers are being stubborn and dense about it.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 03:25

AstuteCat: May 4, 2007

code:

    /// <summary>ToJson.</summary>
    /// <returns>string</returns>
    /// <param name="config">The config variables.</param>
    public string JsonToString(IOpserveConfiguration config)
    {
      this.propertyName = null;
      var ret = JsonConvert.SerializeObject(this, Formatting.None, config.SerialiserSettings);

      return ret;
    }

I wasn't going to post this but this is the second time that I have had this exact piece of code appear in a pull request, the first of which I rejected with a strong explanation that mutating the internal state of an object before returning a string representation of it is ah, not going to be fun for anyone/anything wanting to access that property afterwards.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 09:55

Doom Mathematic: Sep 2, 2008

No discussion of COBOL-based web frameworks is complete without a mention of COBOL on Cogs.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 10:03

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

Nude posted:

I would like to present a list of well known emacs packages/terminology:
Smex
Ffap
Tramp
Sexp

And it seems like I'm the only one who notices haha. But I agree that's a particular bad name, and I'm not surprise programmers are being stubborn and dense about it.

Loads of people arguing that it's north-America-specific and won't mean anything to foreigners... while ignoring the fact that (1) north Americans is a lot of people and (2) given you (generic you) know about the connotations of the term in north America, and still have the opportunity to choose a better name, you should take that opportunity.

Programmers are terrible people

Wasn't there some library that caused drama because it was named "libpantyshot" or something like that? That's nearly as bad. Who wants to use something whose name seeks to remind you of the creator's boner.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 11:06

Workaday Wizard: Oct 23, 2009; by Pragmatica

Hammerite posted:

Loads of people arguing that it's north-America-specific and won't mean anything to foreigners... while ignoring the fact that (1) north Americans is a lot of people and (2) given you (generic you) know about the connotations of the term in north America, and still have the opportunity to choose a better name, you should take that opportunity.

Programmers are terrible people

Wasn't there some library that caused drama because it was named "libpantyshot" or something like that? That's nearly as bad. Who wants to use something whose name seeks to remind you of the creator's boner.

the pantyshot incident i remember is some dev posting an honest-to-god snapped-in-a-subway panty shot in their syndicated personal blog.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 11:10

M31: Jun 12, 2012

Hammerite posted:

Wasn't there some library that caused drama because it was named "libpantyshot" or something like that? That's nearly as bad. Who wants to use something whose name seeks to remind you of the creator's boner.

The one I remember had some weird paedophile naming convention, complete with kidnappers

# ? Feb 13, 2018 11:27

RobertKerans: Aug 25, 2006; There is a heppy lend
Fur, fur aw-a-a-ay.

Hammerite posted:

Loads of people arguing that it's north-America-specific and won't mean anything to foreigners... while ignoring the fact that (1) north Americans is a lot of people and (2) given you (generic you) know about the connotations of the term in north America, and still have the opportunity to choose a better name, you should take that opportunity.

Programmers are terrible people

quote:

And secondly, should you censor a word that's otherwise perfectly fine
because of its use in slang? It'll get some radical activists angry for
sure so it depends on whether you see this as a good or a bad thing.
Nowadays that tends to be a good thing.

Most people will not think twice about it.

quote:

The idea that a software library that happens to share name with a racial
slur that is over 180 years old and has not been part of common social use
for several decades would make people angry is ridiculous. Especially when
the word as meanings that pre-date the slur. If that upsets you to the
point where you are unable to get past it then it is time to unplug your
tv, your radio and your internet and live a life of peaceful solitude.

quote:

Frankly speaking, I've expected another type of questions, when writing
announcement.
Again - I selected name `coon` because `raccoon` was occupied. That's all.

Also I've always beleived that programmers are beyond the politics, sexism
and all kind of discriminations. So not using library, that can potentially
be useful is a little bit surprising for me.

It's a pity, that today I can't fully use language to express what I would
like to. But to make everyone happy, I will create a wrapper around coon
for those who don't like coon name itself.

P.S.: Just think - prohibiting words in the language will finally leave you
with empty vocabulary.

I just...the whole thing just gets worse and worse and worse and ffffuck, just change the loving name

Hammerite posted:

Programmers are terrible people

# ? Feb 13, 2018 12:26

canis minor: May 4, 2011

Alternative namings taken from synonyms - ringtail, procyon - and that's where English is not my primary language (I mean there are probably some weird native/regional words for racoon he could have used). I'd think that taking context into consideration is something that programmers should know about; instead he chose "blip, blop, i'm a robot, all words are equal"

# ? Feb 13, 2018 12:41

Jabor: Jul 16, 2010; #1 Loser at SpaceChem

Odds are he wanted to name it a racial slur to begin with, and then went reaching around for some plausible deniability.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 12:54

Hammerite: Mar 9, 2007; And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.; Jade Ear Joe

RobertKerans posted:

quote:
It'll get some radical activists angry for
sure so it depends on whether you see this as a good or a bad thing.
Nowadays that tends to be a good thing.

What kind of communities do you have to mix in in order for this reasoning to appear sensible on any level

"I was going to call my new software library something innocuous, so that we could all get on with productive work. But then it occurred to me that it's important to trigger the cucks on occasion"

# ? Feb 13, 2018 13:30

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Pollyanna: Mar 5, 2005; Milk's on them.

Hammerite posted:

What kind of communities do you have to mix in in order for this reasoning to appear sensible on any level

"I was going to call my new software library something innocuous, so that we could all get on with productive work. But then it occurred to me that it's important to trigger the cucks on occasion"

Jabor posted:

Odds are he wanted to name it a racial slur to begin with, and then went reaching around for some plausible deniability.

# ? Feb 13, 2018 14:03

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