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Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

ElPedro posted:

Is it correct that Guilliman kills an Alpha Legion primarch at some point later?
Yes*

*as I recall, Guilliman kills an unidentified Alpha Legion leader guy, and then the Alpha Legion themselves confirm that it actually was Alpharius.
Guilliman isn't quite convinced, so who knows.

I guess we'll have to wait and see till the inevitable Scouring series.

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Zasze
Apr 29, 2009

ElPedro posted:

Just finished Praetorian of Dorn and I kind of agree with the earlier posts about it. It also felt like there was a bunch of convenient weaknesses for the Alpha Legion to exploit. Though I still felt it had good moments with Archamus and Dorn.

The teleport thing in the hangar someone was confused about, was Alpharius allowing them to teleport in and then blocking it afterwards again.

I was surprised that one of their primarchs died - Alpharius

Is it correct that Guilliman kills an Alpha Legion primarch at some point later?

lol with the alpha legion who even knows, theres 3+ "confirmed" killings of Alpharius and maybe 1 died 1 survived maybe both died maybe there was a third twin because the hydra has three heads.

There whole deal is theres no way to know and theres alot of doubt put on each instance.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


ElPedro posted:

Just finished Praetorian of Dorn and I kind of agree with the earlier posts about it. It also felt like there was a bunch of convenient weaknesses for the Alpha Legion to exploit. Though I still felt it had good moments with Archamus and Dorn.

The teleport thing in the hangar someone was confused about, was Alpharius allowing them to teleport in and then blocking it afterwards again.

I was surprised that one of their primarchs died - Alpharius

Is it correct that Guilliman kills an Alpha Legion primarch at some point later?

The Alpha Legion are the opposite of the Salamanders. Their battlecry is "Alpharius died!" at all times.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

The Alpha Legion are the opposite of the Salamanders. Their battlecry is "Alpharius died!" at all times.
Which, given that they all their operatives all go my the name of Alpharius, is actually true.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

The Alpha Legion are the opposite of the Salamanders. Their battlecry is "Alpharius died!" at all times.

Followed by your lifelong best friend turning out to be an Alpha legion agent all along and stabbing you in the back.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Zil posted:

Followed by your lifelong best friend turning out to be an Alpha legion agent all along and stabbing you in the back.

And you never even realize that you were also an Alpha Legion agent psycho-conditioned to think you weren't

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

ElPedro posted:

Just finished Praetorian of Dorn and I kind of agree with the earlier posts about it. It also felt like there was a bunch of convenient weaknesses for the Alpha Legion to exploit. Though I still felt it had good moments with Archamus and Dorn.

The teleport thing in the hangar someone was confused about, was Alpharius allowing them to teleport in and then blocking it afterwards again.

I was surprised that one of their primarchs died - Alpharius

Is it correct that Guilliman kills an Alpha Legion primarch at some point later?

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if being considered officially dead was exactly what Alpharius wanted.

If we're going by names then Alpharius is potentially chilling with Eisenhorn and Bequin hiding his face with a realistic looking mask.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 00:37 on Feb 11, 2018

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Guy Goodbody posted:

And you never even realize that you were also an Alpha Legion agent psycho-conditioned to think you weren't

Ironically making your death a decisive blow against the Alpha Legion.

Just as planned.

MariusLecter
Sep 5, 2009

NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

chiasaur11 posted:

Ironically making your death a decisive blow against the Alpha Legion.

Just as planned.

That isn't my face in your chainsword, that's victory barbacoa.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.

Also, you know how the Dark Angels are based out of a place called The Rock? The Rock was a gay bar near GW's HQ in the 80s.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Cythereal posted:

Also, you know how the Dark Angels are based out of a place called The Rock? The Rock was a gay bar near GW's HQ in the 80s.

Time to paint those purity seals like handkerchiefs.

Pyrolocutus
Feb 5, 2005
Shape of Flame



Alpharius never existed in the first place. Big E hosed up on gestation pod 20 and the reason "Alpharius" isn't much bigger than a regular marine is because he's actually just a huge regular marine. The intense secretiveness and "I am Alpharius" of the Alpha Legion arises from psychoprogramming by big E to cover up his mistake. :pseudo:


(Yeah it's stupid but it could actually work.)

Zasze
Apr 29, 2009

Pyrolocutus posted:

Alpharius never existed in the first place. Big E hosed up on gestation pod 20 and the reason "Alpharius" isn't much bigger than a regular marine is because he's actually just a huge regular marine. The intense secretiveness and "I am Alpharius" of the Alpha Legion arises from psychoprogramming by big E to cover up his mistake. :pseudo:


(Yeah it's stupid but it could actually work.)

After the thing where if a regular alpha legion marine drinks the blood of Alpharius they turn into a near perfect clone, it gets a :psyduck: inception.

ElPedro
Apr 22, 2008

Zasze posted:

After the thing where if a regular alpha legion marine drinks the blood of Alpharius they turn into a near perfect clone, it gets a :psyduck: inception.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

Is this from Legion? My counterpoint to it not being Alpharius would have been him being equal to Dorn in a fight, where their elite terminators were destroyed easily and Omegons sense of loss. But if the above is true, then who knows.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Alpharius has been hiding in plain sight on the High Council since the Heresy wearing an unbreakable disguise of a pair of glasses and combed hair :smuggo:

Every few hundred years he just changes his glasses, gets a slightly different haircut and becomes the new High Lord of whatever.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

What if it is Alpharius on the Thrones and the Emperor and "dead" loyal primarchs are just chilling on the other side of the Webway watching everything, having beers and laughing their rear end off.

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Xae posted:

What if it is Alpharius on the Thrones and the Emperor and "dead" loyal primarchs are just chilling on the other side of the Webway watching everything, having beers and laughing their rear end off.

I would be ok with this, but it turns out the Eldar are keeping them under some kind of hypnosis thinking they are celebrating a victory over Horus.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



As a very long lapsed 40k reader (I think the last book I read when it was “new” was Mechanicum?), I just ordered the Night Lords omnibus and the Forges of Mars omnibus based on the recommendations in this thread. I’ve never read anything by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (I don’t think he was even in the BL stable of authors when I stopped reading?) but I keep seeing people say he’s amazing so I’m looking forward to his stuff. I also dig the Mechanicus and I thought Mechanicum was a good time, so I’m hoping to enjoy Forges of Mars, too.

I don’t have any real feelings about the Night Lords other than thinking the book Lords of Night by Simon Spurrier was pretty great.
I like Spurrier quite a bit as an author; Fire Warrior is one of my favorite 40k novels and is drastically better than the game it’s based on, Xenology is fantastic and I wish BL put out more books in that style, and I’ve also really liked Spurrier’s non-BL work.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



I just finished Descent of Angels. I thought it was pretty good, and really liked how the spooky forest was a metaphor for the emperor's crusade. I couldn't figure out why people were so down on it.

And then the book takes a loving nosedive into a Star Trek TNG fan-fiction with bolters. Like, it's seriously a planet of hats.

Is the next one any better?

D-Pad
Jun 28, 2006

Zasze posted:

After the thing where if a regular alpha legion marine drinks the blood of Alpharius they turn into a near perfect clone, it gets a :psyduck: inception.

No. Any Astartes can drink blood and get a sense of the owner of the blood. In PoD, the guy drinks Alpharius blood and gets a few fleeting impressions, but then the psykers use their powers to switch their personalities. Drinking the blood doesn't make a clone.

hopterque
Mar 9, 2007

     sup
I'm finally digging into the Tallarn books since they collected them as a full Horus Heresy series release and man the first relief ship burning in firing at everyone taking on the whole fleet screaming TRAITOR DEATH TRAITOR DEATH TRAITOR DEATH is such a loving cool image, that's the sort of poo poo that really makes me love these stupid books and 40k in general

hopterque fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Feb 11, 2018

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you
While we don't normally talk about the Fantasy side of Warhammer too much here. Felt like reporting that a new Gotrek and Felix book is coming.



Should also post the source.

quote:

Fabled hero of the Warhammer Old World, Gotrek Gurnisson is reborn and cast into the Age of Sigmar for a brand-new, feature-length audio adventure.

Gotrek Gurnisson was the greatest monster slayer of the age, who met his doom at the End Times. The heroic Dwarf stepped forth into the Realm of Chaos to fight the daemons gnawing at the world's ending and satisfy his death oath, leaving behind his companion Felix Jaeger. Now Gotrek has returned, having outlived the old gods and the Old World. Spat from the ruinous depths with his redemption unfulfilled, he emerges into the Mortal Realms, a strange new world where gods walk the earth and dark forces are ascendant. Nothing is as he remembers. His oaths are dust, and the lands are torn asunder by Chaos. Yet when Gotrek learns of human champions being elevated to immortality for Sigmar’s fight against this darkness, the so-called 'Stormcast Eternals', he knows why fate has brought him into this new age. To find Felix. For only then can he find the peace in death he seeks. But is there more to Gotrek's apotheosis than even he can fathom? Has he truly been chosen by Grimnir and for what purpose?

This audio drama boxed set contains a four-part story read by a stellar cast, recounting the much anticipated return of Gotrek Gurnisson.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/1784967866/ref=sr_1_10?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1518387524&sr=1-10

MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 07:08 on Feb 12, 2018

Telsa Cola
Aug 19, 2011

No... this is all wrong... this whole operation has just gone completely sidewaysface
On one hand its weird to bring back characters like that. One the other hand the mental image of Gotrek being loving furious that the end of the loving world did not kill him is hilarious.

Pendent
Nov 16, 2011

The bonds of blood transcend all others.
But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius
Grimey Drawer
If it were any other character this would feel dumb but for Gotrek it's just so funny that you really have to go along with it.

The implication that Felix is a Stormcast is interesting. Maybe a decent way to get some good development for a fairly boring faction?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yeah, taking this as almost a joke is the only way this won't just be garbage milking of nostalgia.

TBH I still kind of expect a new edition to be announced for early 2019 that just pretends Age of Sigmar never happened.

isoprenaline
Jun 4, 2005

And there, till Christ call forth the dead,
In silence let him lie:
No need to waste the foolish tear,
Or heave the windy sigh:
The man had killed the thing he loved,
And so he had to die.

Xenomrph posted:

As a very long lapsed 40k reader (I think the last book I read when it was “new” was Mechanicum?), I just ordered the Night Lords omnibus and the Forges of Mars omnibus based on the recommendations in this thread. I’ve never read anything by Aaron Dembski-Bowden (I don’t think he was even in the BL stable of authors when I stopped reading?) but I keep seeing people say he’s amazing so I’m looking forward to his stuff. I also dig the Mechanicus and I thought Mechanicum was a good time, so I’m hoping to enjoy Forges of Mars, too.

I don’t have any real feelings about the Night Lords other than thinking the book Lords of Night by Simon Spurrier was pretty great.
I like Spurrier quite a bit as an author; Fire Warrior is one of my favorite 40k novels and is drastically better than the game it’s based on, Xenology is fantastic and I wish BL put out more books in that style, and I’ve also really liked Spurrier’s non-BL work.

The Night Lords trilogy is great.

And reminiscent of the Spurrier interpretation. Great choice.

isoprenaline
Jun 4, 2005

And there, till Christ call forth the dead,
In silence let him lie:
No need to waste the foolish tear,
Or heave the windy sigh:
The man had killed the thing he loved,
And so he had to die.

moths posted:

I just finished Descent of Angels. I thought it was pretty good, and really liked how the spooky forest was a metaphor for the emperor's crusade. I couldn't figure out why people were so down on it.

And then the book takes a loving nosedive into a Star Trek TNG fan-fiction with bolters. Like, it's seriously a planet of hats.

Is the next one any better?

Next book in HH series, “Legion”? It’s great.

Next book in Dark Angels HH continuity, “Fallen Angels”? It sucks.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Xenomrph posted:

Xenology is fantastic and I wish BL put out more books in that style

Ain't that the loving truth. Still waiting for a sequel to The Sabbat Worlds crusades to come out because that one stopped at His Last Command and there's been two(?) more omnibuses of stuff by now to cover and whole bunch more poo poo.

While the first fluffbook, Battle for Armageddon, is a bit of a hit n miss in quality they really got good around Sabbat Worlds and Xenology.
Just a shame they didn't do more than five of them and I think Sabbat Worlds was one of the last ones they made unless it was Tactica Imperialis.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009
Want to give a big thank you for the Forges of Mars recommendation. This is probably the most batshit insane 40k novel I've ever read and the execution is pulled off spectacularly.

Just got to Exnihilio, and I can't even predict how weird things get from here.

Moose-Alini
Sep 11, 2001

Not always so
PRETTY weird!

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Immanentized posted:

Want to give a big thank you for the Forges of Mars recommendation. This is probably the most batshit insane 40k novel I've ever read and the execution is pulled off spectacularly.

Just got to Exnihilio, and I can't even predict how weird things get from here.
:cheers:
I'll never stop singing praise for McNiell's AdMech stuff.
He's a mediocre writer otherwise, aside from Storm of Iron, and it'd be a real shame to have his good work passed over just because of the name on the cover.


Also on the topic of weird, I remember Atlas Infernal being a kind of wild ride.
Just the cover alone is beautifully weird and goofy. :allears:

Zil
Jun 4, 2011

Satanically Summoned Citrus


Isn't that the one that had a star warped by chaos that froze everything around it instead of providing heat?

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.
That's certainly possible. It's been years since I read it.

I do however remember exactly why I got it to begin with.
I saw a picture of the cover with a confused-as-gently caress-looking dude in a stolen Harlequin coat and a Harlequin's kiss, and just had to read it.

Spiteski
Aug 27, 2013



Groetgaffel posted:

:cheers:
I'll never stop singing praise for McNiell's AdMech stuff.
He's a mediocre writer otherwise, aside from Storm of Iron, and it'd be a real shame to have his good work passed over just because of the name on the cover.

Is McNeill not liked itt? I was a big fan of nightbringer and dead sky black sun.

Preechr
May 19, 2009

Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President

Groetgaffel posted:

:cheers:
I'll never stop singing praise for McNiell's AdMech stuff.
He's a mediocre writer otherwise, aside from Storm of Iron, and it'd be a real shame to have his good work passed over just because of the name on the cover.


Also on the topic of weird, I remember Atlas Infernal being a kind of wild ride.
Just the cover alone is beautifully weird and goofy. :allears:


Inquisitor Quark looking good. What happened to his lobes?

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

Spiteski posted:

Is McNeill not liked itt? I was a big fan of nightbringer and dead sky black sun.

It's not that he's actively disliked, he's just not on the "if it's by this author buy the book" -list.

And hey, if you like his Ultramarine stuff, more power to you. Personally I think of them as the very definition of generic bolter porn.
I read all six of them, and they're good for what they are, but most likely nothing I'll read again.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Cooked Auto posted:

Ain't that the loving truth. Still waiting for a sequel to The Sabbat Worlds crusades to come out because that one stopped at His Last Command and there's been two(?) more omnibuses of stuff by now to cover and whole bunch more poo poo.

While the first fluffbook, Battle for Armageddon, is a bit of a hit n miss in quality they really got good around Sabbat Worlds and Xenology.
Just a shame they didn't do more than five of them and I think Sabbat Worlds was one of the last ones they made unless it was Tactica Imperialis.
I don’t think I have Tactica Imperialis, what other “fluffbooks” did they do?

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


Spiteski posted:

Is McNeill not liked itt? I was a big fan of nightbringer and dead sky black sun.

He's fairly uneven IMHO, writing beyond the scope of what he's good at often, and it seems he more often writes mediocre bolter porn instead of AdMech. His entry in the opening Horus trilogy was bad.

Groetgaffel
Oct 30, 2011

Groetgaffel smacked the living shit out of himself doing 297 points of damage.

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

He's fairly uneven IMHO, writing beyond the scope of what he's good at often, and it seems he more often writes mediocre bolter porn instead of AdMech. His entry in the opening Horus trilogy was bad.
Eh, I wouldn't go as far as bad. I'd say distinctly mediocre.
It's certainly no Nemesis or Battle for the Abyss.

But yes, as I've said before, his AdMech stuff really shines. That includes the HH novel Mechanicum.

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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Has he done any other AdMech stuff than Mechanicum and Forges of Mars?

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