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DoubleNegative posted:Except for those poor souls who played the original DOTA releases, but they're weird anyway. Right, so the Captain, being a unique unit gets unique lines! By the way, now that we've introduced a second hero unit, Arthas and Jaina are unique versions of generic heroes, the Paladin and Archmage. Where should I include the lines for those generic versions of heroes? ****** Line time! Ready lines are used by units when they're produced. What lines are used when they're initially selected. Yes lines are used when they're given a move order. Attack lines are used when they're given an attack order. Warcry is used randomly for Attack when attacking hero characters. (Thanks to Drakenel for the correction) Pissed is what you get when you keep clicking a unit and it exhausts the What lines. Special is for builder units, and for certain special units, e.g. Uther, who is an AI-controlled character. Priest: Ready
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I can hear each of those lines in my head.  There was a custom map called The Weakest Link which had an array of basically every unit in the game. It played random sound files, and you had to select the unit which made it. First person got the most points, second got one less, etc. It was surprisingly fun.
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The skeletons those necromancers raise count as summoned units, by the way, and the Dispel Magic ability hits a wide area. Priests are exceptionally good at obliterating a skeleton horde, for that reason. Oh, and one other note about this particular mission: DoubleNegative posted:
According to WoWpedia, if you click on this guy enough times then he does fess up and pay his taxes.
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Feb 13, 2018 08:10
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: Milord! If this is about taxes, I can explain!
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theshim posted:The voice delivery on these lines was also great, as was the rather stilted conversation between Arthas and Jaina at the start. And Kel'Thuzad has some great voicework as well. Oh, missed this post while I was doing the voices. This is so true! Arthas and Jaina were apparently romantically involved in the backstory, but broke it off when Jaina decided to become a mage. The game doesn't give them a romantic sub-plot during the campaign (thank god!), and really, the only indication you get that they were anything more than friends is when Jaina playfully says, "It's been a while since a prince escorted me anywhere." Note how tenderly Arthas acknowledges how good it is to see her. He still has some feelings toward her, even though according to WoWpedia, he's the one who broke it off.
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Feb 13, 2018 08:59
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If I recall correctly, politics got between them. Arthas is the crown prince of Lordaeron, Jaina's dad is an important guy in Kul Tiras (can't remember if he was the leader or what) so a relationship between them would have had consequences.
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Feb 13, 2018 11:30
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Tenebrais posted:If I recall correctly, politics got between them. Arthas is the crown prince of Lordaeron, Jaina's dad is an important guy in Kul Tiras (can't remember if he was the leader or what) so a relationship between them would have had consequences. Jaina's dad is Daelin Proudmoore, the king of Kul Tiras and Grand Admiral of the alliance fleet in Warcraft 2.
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Feb 13, 2018 11:38
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Eeepies posted:Honestly, Blizzard still made fun RTS campaigns in Starcraft 2. All 4 campaigns (including Nova) were fun to play through, with all the different objectives, timers, and functions that no other company has managed to replicate so far. Shame that the multiplayer wasn't as fun, and that the story went downhill. Unfortunately, the multiplayer never caught on and the "meh" multiplayer is basically all people remember about SC2.
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Feb 13, 2018 12:37
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I never played the multiplayer in SC2. But I had a fun time in the sp.
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Feb 13, 2018 14:08
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It's also strongly implied subsequently that everyone thought Arthas breaking off the relationship for political reasons was a bit silly and he should have stayed with Jaina. There aren't any rules against royalty from different kingdoms marrying, and Dalaran is a democracy, not a monarchy. Although I couldn't blame Arthas if he was intimidated by his potential in-laws. King Daelin Proudmoore and Queen Katherine Proudmoore are... intense.
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Feb 13, 2018 14:32
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For some reason I thought the relationship originally started for political reasons, as in they were being pushed together because Jaina isn't in line for the Kul'Tiran Throne, as she does have an older brother, and Arthas broke it off because he didn't like the idea of being pushed into a political marriage, even though he is attracted to Jaina he wanted any relationship to be on their own terms.
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Feb 13, 2018 14:45
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Cythereal posted:It's also strongly implied subsequently that everyone thought Arthas breaking off the relationship for political reasons was a bit silly and he should have stayed with Jaina. There aren't any rules against royalty from different kingdoms marrying, and Dalaran is a democracy, not a monarchy. I swear that I remember reading somewhere that Antonidas deliberately set this mission up to try and play matchmaker. It seems like the sort of thing he would do.
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Feb 13, 2018 14:46
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Curse me if I hadn't heard the same somewhere. But I'll be damned if I can remember where. I haven't read any of the novels, and I don't play WoW. Maybe someone pointed it out somewhere?
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Lord_Magmar posted:For some reason I thought the relationship originally started for political reasons, as in they were being pushed together because Jaina isn't in line for the Kul'Tiran Throne, as she does have an older brother, and Arthas broke it off because he didn't like the idea of being pushed into a political marriage, even though he is attracted to Jaina he wanted any relationship to be on their own terms. Jaina's older brother seems to have been retconned out of existence, since he was never in any official materials. Also from unofficial materials, her younger half-sister got a sly nod in WoW: Legion if you know what to look for, but it's unlikely she'll ever be more than a winking reference.
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Feb 13, 2018 15:00
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SirSamVimes posted:I can hear each of those lines in my head. Yeah, same. We haven't even scratched the surface of incredible quotes. Off the top of my head there's a talk show with Jaina and a Pit Lord, a cooking show with Varimathras, and an ongoing game of phone tag between Illidan, a dreadlord, and darkness spread over a couple of different units.
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ninjahedgehog posted:Yeah, same. We haven't even scratched the surface of incredible quotes. Off the top of my head there's a talk show with Jaina and a Pit Lord, a cooking show with Varimathras, and an ongoing game of phone tag between Illidan, a dreadlord, and darkness spread over a couple of different units. And then the game of phone tag with darkness carries over into Heroes of the Storm
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Feb 13, 2018 16:49
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Lots of misinformation here. Let me fix that: About Jaina's Brother, there was one Introduced in the Tabletop RPG, Thancred. He is non-canon, and Blizzard's said they have no plans to make him Canon for now. There is another one, in the backstory, Derek proudmoore. He got killed by horde dragons, and he is the reason Daelin hated orcs so much. As for ArtieXJaina? According to the RISE OF THE LICH KING book, which is pretty much a novelization of part of Warcraft 3 plus Arthas' childhood and teenage years, Arthas' and Jaina were dating, then they did it for the first time, and then Arthas gave Jaina the "better as friends" speech like a week later. Arthas Is kind of a dick.
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Siegkrow posted:Arthas Is kind of a dick. And Jaina's life really, really sucks. The guy who had a serious thing for her before Arthas ended up going crazy in WoW and needing to be killed by players - twice. Her boyfriend after Arthas has also been a raid boss, albeit that raid happened before they got together. WC3 is a nonstop downhill slide for her as well. Jaina also ends up leading a city of her own after WC3, founded in the belief that the Alliance and Horde could coexist in peace. The Horde nuked that city so hard the time police (Azeroth has time police fyi) found it had become a fixed point in all timelines that could never be averted. And in the new expansion, Jaina gets exiled from her homeland and disowned by her family.  I'm not necessarily saying Warcraft has a problem with women, but... (actually, yes it does).
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Feb 13, 2018 17:52
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Cythereal posted:Jaina also ends up leading a city of her own after WC3, founded in the belief that the Alliance and Horde could coexist in peace. The Horde nuked that city so hard the time police (Azeroth has time police fyi) found it had become a fixed point in all timelines that could never be averted. And in the new expansion, Jaina gets exiled from her homeland and disowned by her family. I mean "founded on the belief that the Alliance and Horde could coexist in peace" is kind of undermined by the fact that she allowed it to be used as a staging ground for attacks against Durotar and the Barrens.
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All this Jaina talk makes me wish I could post the Sith Lord comic, but it has spoilers so I shall relent. Human has never been my preferred style of play in WC3, but they have a lot of nice options on their army, and the Archmage is my absolute favorite of those.
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Feb 13, 2018 18:38
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I usually just play Human for the easy Healing. Horde is more cathartic for me and in tune with why I play games like this. No comment on Jaina’s struggle other than to say I sympathize. You want more female players and less negative stereotype complaining? You need strong interesting female characters to inspire people. I’m not the only male in support of such things either. In this world, writers who can create and sustain such characters are not in short supply. To not support them is ignorant and foolish, to say the least. Sarah Kerrigan was a strong fun female character of Blizzard’s. Why couldn’t they make another in Jaina? Life sucks, get tough and rise above! Ugh, at least she’s not the totally wasted Leah Cain.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:34
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achtungnight posted:Sarah Kerrigan was a strong fun female character of Blizzard’s. They keyword being was. What a mess they turned her, and most of the cast, into with SC2.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:01
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I never thought of this before, but this is a setting where being on a gluten free diet just happens to be a great way to stay alive.
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puppets freak me out posted:I never thought of this before, but this is a setting where being on a gluten free diet just happens to be a great way to stay alive. I don't think that a gluten free diet can stop skeletons from killing you. 
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achtungnight posted:I usually just play Human for the easy Healing. Horde is more cathartic for me and in tune with why I play games like this. WoW's had a few recently. Yrel was a prominent Alliance-side character who was interesting, didn't have any negative stereotypes (alpha versions of Yrel, however... fortunately, none of that made it to release), and had a fun personality with a believable character arc. But as a major Warlords character, she was promptly sidelined towards the end of the expansion and utterly forgotten with the new. Thalyssra in the current expansion is another strong and interesting female character, though she makes a certain... questionable... decision and whether the game will do anything interesting with her in the future remains to be seen. The less said about the Banshee Queen, the better.
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Warcraft III struck an excellent balance between characterizing the major players of each faction while also developing the personality and motivation of their armies. While Blizzard has a history of shallow writing, WCIII's approach worked out for two reasons: 1) You never spend so much time with the big people that their two-dimensional nature becomes overwhelmingly apparent. 2) Even the basic core of all four factions are made up of a variety of sub-factions (the Alliance features Dwarves and Elves alongside Humans, the Horde features Trolls and Tauren with the Orcs, ect) Starcraft II focused way too much on interpersonal relationships between flat characters, and the story suffered because of it.
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Cythereal posted:Thalyssra in the current expansion is another strong and interesting female character, though she makes a certain... questionable... decision and whether the game will do anything interesting with her in the future remains to be seen. If you mean joining the Horde, I don't agree that it's so questionable. In terms of Horde and Alliance representatives she's met, the Alliance one helped her only because it meant hurting the Demons' efforts, made it clear she didn't trust Thalyssra and her people, and left as soon as the issue was over. The Horde representative was sympathetic to their situation, related to it, and stuck around after the problem was over to build diplomatic relations. Seems a clear choice who to side with, if you ask me.
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BlazetheInferno posted:If you mean joining the Horde, I don't agree that it's so questionable. In terms of Horde and Alliance representatives she's met, the Alliance one helped her only because it meant hurting the Demons' efforts, made it clear she didn't trust Thalyssra and her people, and left as soon as the issue was over. And joins the side that's a military dictatorship with a leader known for using WMDs on anyone who displeases her including her own citizens.
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Feb 13, 2018 22:43
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Feb 13, 2018 22:44
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Poil posted:Joining the horde is always the correct decision. They got the coziest WC3 campaign, for sure. 
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THE BAR posted:They keyword being was. What a mess they turned her, and most of the cast, into with SC2. Also, having checked out of the Warcraft scene after Frozen Throne, every time I hear how wild and scatterbrained WoW gets, I am amazed at just the sheer lunacy of it all. Time police, Jaina's never-ending trauma assembly line, Garrosh Hellscream, it's just this wave of nonsense I cannot fathom. At this point, and with SC2 in the back of my mind, I am glad we haven't gotten a Warcraft 4 yet.
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AradoBalanga posted:I'm legit trying to think of someone from SC2 that came out covered in the least amount of poo poo after it was all over...and I'm drawing a blank. Arcturus, maybe? Tassadar. Because the only "Tassadar" in SC2 was an illusion projected by some other jackass.
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AradoBalanga posted:I'm legit trying to think of someone from SC2 that came out covered in the least amount of poo poo after it was all over...and I'm drawing a blank. Arcturus, maybe? Going by characters from SC1, I'd say Artanis came out okay, but that's largely because he didn't have much of a personality to begin with. Stukov did well if you're willing to give a pass to a character coming back from the dead. AradoBalanga posted:Also, having checked out of the Warcraft scene after Frozen Throne, every time I hear how wild and scatterbrained WoW gets, I am amazed at just the sheer lunacy of it all. Time police, Jaina's never-ending trauma assembly line, Garrosh Hellscream, it's just this wave of nonsense I cannot fathom. At this point, and with SC2 in the back of my mind, I am glad we haven't gotten a Warcraft 4 yet. None of that even touches what I'd call the top five bits of story nonsense in WoW: 1. Alt-Draenor, an alternate universe further back in time THAT'S NOT ABOUT TIME TRAVEL SHUT UP. 2. Illidan, full stop. 3. The Titans and the Old Gods story stuff in general. Was good, even great up until around Cataclysm. 4. The Banshee Queen. My pick for the single biggest disconnect between what a character does and how the story reacts to and portrays her. 5. The faction war, which mostly revolves around selectively making characters complete idiots whether it makes sense to or not and never letting anyone take five minutes to talk to the other faction.
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Garrosh did nothing wrong. Also SC2 had one good character per campaign. Tychus, Abathur, Alarak.
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THE BAR posted:They got the coziest WC3 campaign, for sure. I enjoyed the Horde's campaign in TFT so much that this LP inspired me to dig up my disks so I could play it again.
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SC2 - Nova was actually portrayed very well in her own campaign, and so was Davis in a sense. Back to Warcraft 3, I think each campaign was actually pretty strong in story, and if there are any newcomers at all, rest assured that Blizzard's bad writing in WoW hasn't emerged, yet.
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When Alarak first shows up: Oh look, Protoss with ~CoRRupTIoN~!!!1!  Then he starts mercilessly trolling Artanis and thus becomes the best character in Legacy of the Void.
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Fabulousity posted:When Alarak first shows up: Oh look, Protoss with ~CoRRupTIoN~!!!1!
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