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Ashcans posted:If the boot was leather, sure. If it was rubber, probably not. If the boot was rubber you could construct a lure out of it and catch even more boots. Then simply sell the boots at port.
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I'm conflicted on this one, it could end very BWM depending on how the courts rule. A $560 million lottery ticket is in jeopardy as the winner risks her fortune to remain anonymous quote:
I totally understand the anonymity thing, do you really want to die on this ($560 million) hill? Edit: It's BWL, looks like she could have done the trust route, but jumped the gun. quote:The winner could have remained anonymous had the ticket been signed in the name of a trust, but Jane Doe was not aware she could do that before she wrote her own name. After learning she won the jackpot, the woman went to the lottery's website and read the rules before discussing the situation with legal counsel. JayKay fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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Feb 13, 2018 19:50
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I would think so. I'd think long and hard about just giving up the prize if I couldn't accept it anonymously.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:52
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JayKay posted:I'm conflicted on this one, it could end very BWM depending on how the courts rule. let's see, spending a little dosh for the chance that every acquaintance, scammer, charity, and family member doesn't get to climb out of the woodwork and into your rear end in a top hat? Sounds 100% worth taking a shot to me
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Feb 13, 2018 19:53
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Almost seems like the a Streisand effect. People are going to be curious about the winner, and the winner will have lifetime in their life close enough to know and gossipy enough to blab. No way will they keep it under wraps.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:53
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JayKay posted:I totally understand the anonymity thing, but $560 million hill worth dying on? Could be maybe to this person? I mean, you'd figure 250-300 mil would PROBABLY be enough to escape whatever circumstances you were afraid of, but maybe they don't want to uproot. ...or, I dunno. Maybe they're already rich. Maybe they're in protective custody. Maybe they're a senator. Maybe they're a lich and need to keep a low profile. I'm not judging.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:55
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She's not going to give it up. She's just exploring whether the lottery commission can legally require her to go public. This is about the only hope she has of living anything close to her former life. But if they say no, then she'll just wipe away her tears with all those birthday flowers she'll be able to afford.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:55
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The part that gets me is that everyone knows where you live. Every rear end in a top hat in the state is going to "fall down" on your sidewalk and you'll be defending suits literally every day.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:57
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NPR had a story about it last night and they mentioned that even the store that sold her the ticket was getting calls from people asking for money, and the store only got $75,000 for selling the winning ticket. It's sad, but if you win that kind of money, and you live in a smallish town, you're almost better off packing up and moving away to a place where no one knows you.
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Feb 13, 2018 19:58
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It gets brought up a lot about winning the lottery and having moochers come out of the woodwork, but is it really that hard to tell people 'no'? If relationships get ruined over the money it is more about the moocher not respecting boundaries than the winner being selfish. How are family members and door to door salesmen going to hassle you when you are traveling the world?
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Panfilo posted:It gets brought up a lot about winning the lottery and having moochers come out of the woodwork, but is it really that hard to tell people 'no'? If relationships get ruined over the money it is more about the moocher not respecting boundaries than the winner being selfish. How are family members and door to door salesmen going to hassle you when you are traveling the world? Some people don't want to travel more than they can avoid it. I mean, in the US, if you're playing the lottery, you probably take the money and go if you have to, but I could understand not wanting to reveal it if you don't have to. I mean, people get loving murdered by family members over less than 10k sometimes, I wouldn't want the headache of trying to make sure the crazy survivalist branch of my family didn't head-hunt me over a few million.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:02
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H110Hawk posted:Couple sells everything to sail the world, boat sinks on day 2 Ultimately GWM because they sank their boat within rescue distance rather than in open water where their deaths would have significantly reduced their future earning potential. The fact they had no sailing experience and are starting out in the Caribbean means this voyage was basically Suicide By Boat.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:05
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Panfilo posted:It gets brought up a lot about winning the lottery and having moochers come out of the woodwork, but is it really that hard to tell people 'no'? If relationships get ruined over the money it is more about the moocher not respecting boundaries than the winner being selfish. How are family members and door to door salesmen going to hassle you when you are traveling the world? It's the friendships and family that get to you. Money changes people, so even if you share you might see your brother's family break up or someone else loses everything and keeps trying to come back for more. If your friends are going through hard times you can help them out, but that changes the friendship's dynamic and now they're avoiding you out of shame. You suddenly have all this money, but everyone you're close to knows you did nothing to deserve it. There was a great article about Andrew Jack Whittaker, who won 300 million and pretty much lost everyone close to him. I can't find it now, but he's pretty much living off a small fraction of that and wishes he'd never won.
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Panfilo posted:It gets brought up a lot about winning the lottery and having moochers come out of the woodwork, but is it really that hard to tell people 'no'? If relationships get ruined over the money it is more about the moocher not respecting boundaries than the winner being selfish. How are family members and door to door salesmen going to hassle you when you are traveling the world? Most people don't want to nuke all of their relationships because they won the lottery. And people can get pretty goddamn selfish when one person in their circles is suddenly a bit richer than the rest, nevermind $560 million rich - a regular part of lottery horror stories is people you thought you could trust suddenly seeing you as a piggy bank. And most people might travel a bit, but they also want an actual home and stability to go back to. And no matter where you pack up and move, there's always the risk that people will track you down and harass you. I can't blame people for wanting to keep that particular pandora's box closed whenever possible.
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GamingHyena posted:Ultimately GWM because they sank their boat within rescue distance rather than in open water where their deaths would have significantly reduced their future earning potential. The fact they had no sailing experience and are starting out in the Caribbean means this voyage was basically Suicide By Boat. I've spent hours sailing around the Caribbean in Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag, so I'm probably ready to take to the seas myself.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:10
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Yeah I'd do everything in my legal means to keep secret, but that failing, on balance, I'd still rather have mo' problems.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:10
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 It's in the rules assumed to be accepted by participating in the lottery, no? I can see why people would want to challenge that, but if you don't like it, don't play.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:11
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I thought the thread had previously already established that dying was GWM though?
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General Probe posted:I thought the thread had previously already established that dying was GWM though? I don't know if I'd say that.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:12
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It's BWL for your descendants when they fight over who gets your dining room table & hold an eternal grudge against whoever gets it. 
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General Probe posted:I thought the thread had previously already established that dying was GWM though? Dying fast is good with money and life. Dying slowly is bad with both.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:15
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Haifisch posted:It's BWL for your descendants when they fight over who gets your dining room table & hold an eternal grudge against whoever gets it. haha, joke's on them they don't exist
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Feb 13, 2018 20:16
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Mmmmmmm inheritance disputes are absolutely the best. You get to see people's true colors without any of the hassle of winning the lottery.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:18
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The rules are that the name and address of the winner claiming the prize has to be disclosed. However, a trust or other non personal entity can own a lottery ticket and claim the prize. What the winner is upset about is that she apparently already signed her name to the winning ticket before realizing that there were legal hijinks that could be played to protect her anonymity. Essentially she would like to unsign the ticket and claim the winnings through a trust.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:35
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I feel like it's time to report this: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/24vzgl/you_just_won_a_656_million_dollar_lottery_what_do/chba4bf/
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Feb 13, 2018 20:48
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Krispy Wafer posted:It's the friendships and family that get to you. Money changes people, so even if you share you might see your brother's family break up or someone else loses everything and keeps trying to come back for more. If your friends are going through hard times you can help them out, but that changes the friendship's dynamic and now they're avoiding you out of shame. You suddenly have all this money, but everyone you're close to knows you did nothing to deserve it. Jack Whittaker's antics as a lottery winner make him less sympathetic of an example. He already had a net worth of over a million in a pretty poor part of the country before he won the lottery, repeatedly drove drunk, shot at people, stiffed some church, etc. Yeah it is tragic his niece overdosed and buying his favorite waitress a house ended up being a horrible monkey paw wish for her, but in the end it wasn't so much the lottery ruining Whittaker, but instead all the people around him.
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Feb 13, 2018 20:58
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It's really not worth it. Read Motronic's link. People are going to be kidnapping your 3rd cousins for ransom.
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kidnapping my cousins is BWM.
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Feb 13, 2018 21:16
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Panfilo posted:Jack Whittaker's antics as a lottery winner make him less sympathetic of an example. He already had a net worth of over a million in a pretty poor part of the country before he won the lottery, repeatedly drove drunk, shot at people, stiffed some church, etc. Yeah it is tragic his niece overdosed and buying his favorite waitress a house ended up being a horrible monkey paw wish for her, but in the end it wasn't so much the lottery ruining Whittaker, but instead all the people around him. They glossed over the fact that he was drugged at a strip club while in possession of hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash. The man was not some angel who just wanted to help his community, he was getting into some good ol' boy antics when he was drugged and robbed. By chance, I stayed in a hotel just down the road from the Pink Pony where the bartender drugged him. They were still operating, albeit without a liquor license.
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Feb 13, 2018 21:20
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Whittaker was not a good person, but it's still a cautionary tale about lotteries. When you're talking hundreds of millions of dollars, I'm inclined to say the only way to 'win' is to put about 95% of it in a foundation and live off the rest. Your foundation can be for the preservation of titty bars, so it doesn't have to be altruistic. But that's just too much money to inject into someone's lifestyle without some serious poo poo going on.
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Feb 13, 2018 21:34
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No you see, you need to win one of those lesser lotteries, like a million bucks or less. That's financial planning.
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DariusLikewise posted:No you see, you need to win one of those lesser lotteries, like a million bucks or less. That's financial planning. So what you are saying is that if I win a big lottery, all I need to do is invest that money into playing lots of smaller lotteries, so that I can win one of those and be fine?
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Ashcans posted:So what you are saying is that if I win a big lottery, all I need to do is invest that money into playing lots of smaller lotteries, so that I can win one of those and be fine?
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Feb 13, 2018 21:51
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DariusLikewise posted:No you see, you need to win one of those lesser lotteries, like a million bucks or less. That's financial planning.
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DariusLikewise posted:No you see, you need to win one of those lesser lotteries, like a million bucks or less. That's financial planning. Haha that was the plan of the ultra lucky guy in the X-Files who didnt need $28 million so be just won for $100,000. Then threw away the ticket as the monthly payout would take too long.
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BEHOLD: MY CAPE posted:The rules are that the name and address of the winner claiming the prize has to be disclosed. However, a trust or other non personal entity can own a lottery ticket and claim the prize. What the winner is upset about is that she apparently already signed her name to the winning ticket before realizing that there were legal hijinks that could be played to protect her anonymity. Essentially she would like to unsign the ticket and claim the winnings through a trust. When do you sign a ticket? Is that after you discover you won or do you need, like, a trust setup and ready to go when you buy the ticket?
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Feb 13, 2018 23:07
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I think it's when you redeem it.
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Feb 13, 2018 23:18
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Lockback posted:When do you sign a ticket? Is that after you discover you won or do you need, like, a trust setup and ready to go when you buy the ticket? If you read the back it's immediately upon purchase. That's the only way to contest ownership if you lose the physical slip.
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What I've heard about that woman (and I haven't actually read any articles) is that the centerpiece of her argument is that the lottery official website says to sign it as soon as you've realized it's a winner, and they don't make clear until later that signing your name means you can't claim anonymously.
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Motronic posted:I feel like it's time to report this: This post is so good and so pertinent to the current convo on lottery tickets that I must quote post it: quote:Congratulations! You just won millions of dollars in the lottery! That's great. There are more followup posts that goes into great detail about what you should do.
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