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Grevling posted:Or maybe it's just a matter of who controls the debate, hell if I know. There are certainly enough Scandinavians who like to think they're a longship and some spears away from plundering a monastery. Axes maybe? But lots of people have those at home. e: new page new map 
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Ras Het posted:Well Scandinavia's current image among people who would care about that stuff is Fully Sharianized Muslamic Rape Gang Communism so As opposed to back in the good old days when they were a proud Fully Norse Blonde Rape and Pillage Gang.
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Guavanaut posted:Do you really need much else than that to plunder a monastery? You'd think so, but it's more likely a bunch of modern northern europeans trying to invade or plunder anything would just be awkward for everybody involved imo.
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SaltyJesus posted:eh, it's more complicated than that but they aren't the rightful heirs of Alexander the Great or whatever I admit I don't know the specifics without looking it up, I just assume Macedonians and Bulgarians were part of the same general population group until they were arbitrarily separated for historical reasons, like Romanians and Moldovans, or Flemings and Dutch people. Is that not the case?
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I posted some maps about geographical patterns in German street names a while back. Turns out that the ZEIT magazine now published an English-language version of their article plus the corresponding search engine. Do you know of any similar resources for other countries? 
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Phlegmish posted:I admit I don't know the specifics without looking it up, I just assume Macedonians and Bulgarians were part of the same general population group until they were arbitrarily separated for historical reasons, like Romanians and Moldovans, or Flemings and Dutch people. Is that not the case? Yes, that is basically the case. Modern Macedonian ethnicity basically evolved in the 20th c. in parallel with developments in Yugoslavia; most of the claims that bother Greeks -- the use of the term Macedonian to describe their language, literature, broader culture, etc. -- only really emerged in the 1950s-1970s, as far as I'm aware. And, of course, the issue only really blew up when FYROM became an independent country in 1991. In a weird way the rhetoric used in the Greece-Macedonia dispute has a lot in common with that used in the Israel-Palestine dispute. On one side you have a considerably more powerful nation backed by Western powers that derives much of its legitimacy from its ancient past, even though it has (literally) re-imposed that past on much of its territory (both Israel and Greece engaged in ethnic cleansing in different ways and re-named "alien" toponyms according to ancient traditions), and denies the legitimacy of its opponent's ethnicity and statehood ("Macedonian are just Bulgarians"/"Palestinians are just Jordanians"). On the other side you have a much weaker nation that gets lip service from some nations but has largely been driven to extreme views because of the pressure imposed by its more powerful opponent (see Palestinians propagating the Protocol of the Elders of Zion and similar conspiracy theories or Macedonians claiming that ancient Macedonians were Slavic speakers and that modern Greeks are impostors). MeinPanzer fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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Feb 13, 2018 17:50
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Do many modern Greeks get mad about Thrace / Smyrna / Anatolia?
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steinrokkan posted:Do many modern Greeks get mad about Thrace / Smyrna / Anatolia? Yes, especially nationalists. The population exchange only occurred in 1922 and memories of Greek communities in Asia Minor remain strong (Athens is full of neighbourhoods named after Smyrna and other Greek communities in Asia Minor). This has been exacerbated lately because Erdogan has been openly antagonistic and when he visited in December he agitated strongly for greater independence for the small Muslim population that still lives in Greek Thrace. There has actually been an interesting amount of reflection in Greece recently on the similarities between the modern refugee crisis and the refugee crisis that followed 1922.
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I remember seeing Enosis brand ouzo in Greece when I visited. There's a whole other Greek series of issues.
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Grevling posted:You'd think so, but it's more likely a bunch of modern northern europeans trying to invade or plunder anything would just be awkward for everybody involved imo. You could probably plunder a village or two in the Faroe Islands or even the tiny isolated bits of the British isles with a handful of armed men. You would never get away with it because viking raids are a lot less common these days so it would get a lot of attention from law enforcement.
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GyroNinja posted:No, and actually she's not a character I recognize. (Checking the game wiki reveals that she's actually Abigail Williams, one of the accusers at the Salem witch trials). My culture, not your costume, japan
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FreudianSlippers posted:You could probably plunder a village or two in the Faroe Islands or even the tiny isolated bits of the British isles with a handful of armed men. You would never get away with it because viking raids are a lot less common these days so it would get a lot of attention from law enforcement.
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If you've already got submarine money then you don't really need to do any raids unless you're just doing it for fun.
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steinrokkan posted:Do many modern Greeks get mad about Thrace / Smyrna / Anatolia? Yeah, Smyrna and Constantinople being still the preferred terminology. I mean, that sort of "mad" varies of course. But in general they certainly aren't over it.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I remember seeing Enosis brand ouzo in Greece when I visited. There's a whole other Greek series of issues. Eh, that one is stone dead though. No one in Cyprus is agitating for that particular nationalism anymore.
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I see the PRC has been kicked out.
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FreudianSlippers posted:If you've already got submarine money then you don't really need to do any raids unless you're just doing it for fun.
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"Relative Web Search Popularity of 'Hemorrhoids'", not "Relative Web Search: 'Popularity of Hemorrhoids'" I imagine.
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Uh - my brain. Read the first line and completely missed the concept. RELATIVE WEB SEARCH™ was pretty what my brain read 
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Cable Guy posted:Uh - my brain. Read the first line and completely missed the concept. "I don't like hemorrhoids, I love them" ~ Oregon
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Baronjutter posted:
The 2020 ones are hilarious. On that Chengdu map are like five lines they haven't even begun building yet, and every subway line here has been at least a couple years behind schedule sooo
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What happened in Tianjin? They shut down its first subway?
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They did a spectacularly lovely job building it and shut it down to redo the whole thing.
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linking because it's an interactive map that isnt baked in because it has to be updated so often https://www.vox.com/a/mass-shootings-sandy-hook
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Grand Fromage posted:The 2020 ones are hilarious. On that Chengdu map are like five lines they haven't even begun building yet, and every subway line here has been at least a couple years behind schedule sooo Yeah I actually giggled when it stopped at 2020. It's become like 420 or 69. "heh, it's the chinese century number"
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You silly, orange is the range of the Commie mind control rays
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steinrokkan posted:You silly, orange is the range of the Commie mind control rays Stop telling westerners about the true purpose of Lenin statues.
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I've been reading up on the Irish Troubles (see my NMD discussion on the Troubles through song) and ran across the fascinating topic of the Repartition of Ireland. Apparently in the 1970s as the Northern Irish conflict was getting nasty, some Brits seriously considered taking the majority-Catholic areas and just ceding them to the Republic of Ireland to get rid of the most restive bits. This map would be 10x more useful if it showed the NI/RoI border, but the Northern Ireland counties are the five clustered around the lake, and the county to the southwest with the double-lake. So basically the fallback idea was to take the most Catholic areas and cut them off and cede them. In the 1980s there were further talks with Thatcher of doing same, but with Belfast a Jerusalem-esque divided/ghetto city. Probably for the best it didn't go this way, though with Brexit who the gently caress knows what will happen. EDIT: a 1940s RoI stamp is eerily prescient on this issue: 
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I’m the definition of “majority”.
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Platystemon posted:I’m the definition of “majority”. I doubt they're using a different one. They're probably simply taking account of "dont know/no opinion" answers so you end with areas that are like 25% union, 40% partition, 35% no opinion
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TapTheForwardAssist posted:I've been reading up on the Irish Troubles (see my NMD discussion on the Troubles through song) and ran across the fascinating topic of the Repartition of Ireland. Apparently in the 1970s as the Northern Irish conflict was getting nasty, some Brits seriously considered taking the majority-Catholic areas and just ceding them to the Republic of Ireland to get rid of the most restive bits. This is basically how continental Europe decided to solve its problems in 1945, so it's not really that big a surprise. Violent ethnic homogenization is a major part of 20th-century European history, not coincidentally overlapping with the destruction first of multiethnic polities like the Habsburg Empire and then of multiethnic spaces and populations through ethnic cleansing and forced deportations. A historian I know who studies the Balkans and the negative stereotypes Western Europe creates and perpetuates about the Balkans has referred to this as "Europeanization", i.e. the imagination and attempted construction (often through extreme violence) of ethnically homogeneous nation-states like those perceived to exist in Western Europe, out of multiethnic states like Yugoslavia.
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The thing is that Western European countries are not ethnically homogeneous. And I don't just mean recent immigration waves. For any WE country larger than Luxembourg or Iceland I can give you at least two different ethnic groups native from it.
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Cat Mattress posted:The thing is that Western European countries are not ethnically homogeneous. And I don't just mean recent immigration waves. For any WE country larger than Luxembourg or Iceland I can give you at least two different ethnic groups native from it.
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Cat Mattress posted:The thing is that Western European countries are not ethnically homogeneous. And I don't just mean recent immigration waves. For any WE country larger than Luxembourg or Iceland I can give you at least two different ethnic groups native from it. Well yeah, I mean just look at Belgium for probably the most stark example, but the 1945 solution was "just move everyone who's ethnic German to Germany, everyone who's ethnic Czech to Czechoslovakia", etc. Ethnicities who don't get to be the dominant majority of their own nation-state at the time, well, who cares. This fit very neatly with the intellectual idea of nationalism as it had developed in Europe over the previous 150 years which was of building an ethnically homogeneous nation-state where everyone is French or German or Italian. Of course the actual history on the ground is different, it took a long time to turn peasants into Frenchmen, let alone turning Flemish and Walloon into Belgian, but the intellectual appeal of nationalization, homogenization, and "Europeanization" never went away and indeed remains a strong and compelling attitude towards how to fix the problems of any given nation-state in 2018. Not a universal one, to be sure, but just look at the nativism that has managed to achieve electoral majorities or pluralities in a number of countries across the developed world and you'll see how attractive the idea of national purity remains.
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