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readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

Oh Snapple! posted:

The context doesn't matter because she shouldn't loving be using these words.

Oh I agree 100%. It’s just that the tweets posted don’t gel with what little I’ve read of their Twitter account so I’m wondering just how important context is here.

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shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



readingatwork posted:

Oh I agree 100%. It’s just that the tweets posted don’t gel with what little I’ve read of their Twitter account so I’m wondering just how important context is here.

She's said friend of the family on twitter before. She frequently calls people homophobic slurs. She is friend's with neonazis. That's the context. She's a racist piece of poo poo.

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
That politico piece was written by Eric Posner, whose track record includes such hits as Bush era apologia.

quote:

"A Threat That Belongs Behind Bars," The New York Times, June 25, 2006
"Apply the Golden Rule to al Qaeda?", The Wall Street Journal, July 15, 2006, p. A9

I think that one poster who said the University of Chicago was becoming a fascist propaganda mill might have been on to something.

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

Maybe I'll drown

Koalas March posted:

She's said friend of the family on twitter before. She frequently calls people homophobic slurs. She is friend's with neonazis. That's the context. She's a racist piece of poo poo.

Koalas March posted:

yt women always get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to racism. This is why the 'twist' in Get Out was so good and accurate.

yup

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

Aves Maria! posted:

She's admittedly friends with a loving Nazi, none of this is taken out of context. She's a piece of poo poo and probable bigot that is pretending not to be

Did not know this. Ill retract my statement if that’s true. I’m on my phone atm so looking poo poo up is hard right now.

(Also God damnit I always get the worst page snipes.)

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

readingatwork posted:

Did not know this. Ill retract my statement if that’s true. I’m on my phone atm so looking poo poo up is hard right now.

(Also God damnit I always get the worst page snipes.)

It is, she openly admits to her camaraderie with known nazi Andrew Auernheimer, knowing who he is.

She's friends with loving weev.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe

Office Pig posted:

It is, she openly admits to her camaraderie with known nazi Andrew Auernheimer, knowing who he is.

She's friends with loving weev.

Ew! Yeah, gently caress her then.

Koalas March
May 21, 2007



readingatwork posted:

Ew! Yeah, gently caress her then.

And here we have your garden variety antiblackness: only comes around when white people explain the situation, ignores the black voice. will argue "tone argument" with no awareness.

readingatwork
Jan 8, 2009

Hello Fatty!


Fun Shoe
Cary on people. I was never here.

[backs slowly into shrubbery]

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Nevvy Z posted:

I don't use the n-word and I judge her for using it but otherwise those tweets seem fine? "terrorist" has become a dehumanizing word for people who dare resist us, afterall.

Her gratuitous use of the f-word is pretty gross.

What the gently caress is this poo poo

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


Other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?

RuanGacho
Jun 20, 2002

"You're gunna break it!"

Hail Church of Satan on Page 666

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
Hail Satan

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012


Edit: Also lmao @ the NY Times. What a bunch of drat morons. Or more accurately, nazis.

eNeMeE
Nov 26, 2012

Office Pig posted:

I think that one poster who said the University of Chicago was becoming a fascist propaganda mill might have been on to something.

School of economics checks out.

Tarezax
Sep 12, 2009

MORT cancels dance: interrupted by MORT
https://twitter.com/quinnnorton/status/963594125558902784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2F

life comes at you fast

ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Good job briefly employing /b/ NYT.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/13/immigration-visas-economics-216968

quote:

Mary goes online—to a new kind of international gig economy website, a Fiverr for immigrants—and applies to sponsor a migrant. She enters information about what she needs: someone with rudimentary English skills, no criminal record and an affection for animals. She offers a room in her basement, meals and $5 an hour. (Sponsors under this program would be exempt from paying minimum wage.) The website offers Mary some matches—people living in foreign countries who would like to spend some time in the United States and earn some money.

:thunk:

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012


A couple words switched out and you got yourself an article talking about the antebellum US.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

Free tip for when you're hiring for your newspaper: Google them and search their tweets for common slurs. It takes like five minutes.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

SulphagneSocialist posted:

Free tip for when you're hiring for your newspaper: Google them and search their tweets for common slurs. It takes like five minutes.

What makes you think they hadn't seen those tweets

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

shrike82 posted:

What makes you think they hadn't seen those tweets

If they hadn't, why did they wait for there to be a shitstorm about it before retracting the offer? "We will hire this racist but only if no member of the public does a cursory search on their history?"

I mean either way they are monumentally stupid so :shrug:

Aves Maria!
Jul 26, 2008

Maybe I'll drown

SulphagneSocialist posted:

If they hadn't, why did they wait for there to be a shitstorm about it before retracting the offer? "We will hire this racist but only if no member of the public does a cursory search on their history?"

I mean either way they are monumentally stupid so :shrug:

Maybe they thought they could justify it, but once they realized how no one was going for it they decided to retract the offer.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012

SulphagneSocialist posted:

If they hadn't, why did they wait for there to be a shitstorm about it before retracting the offer? "We will hire this racist but only if no member of the public does a cursory search on their history?"

I mean either way they are monumentally stupid so :shrug:

She literally turned them down at first and warned them about it:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/even-more-news-16979493

quote:

I'm as surprised as you are. The Times approached me in January with the idea, and I gently shot it down. I live in Luxembourg, I explained. I have surgery coming up, I'll be out of the picture for as much as two months. Also, I tried to imply, strongly, I'm kind of weird.

As I interviewed with Katie, then James, they made it clear that they weren't going to get put off by a little weird. As for how weird, well that's for them to discover. Nevertheless, I talked candidly about my background, my philosophy, and my approach to the topic. I caveated everything with: if this is at all uncomfortable, not what you were looking for, no harm no foul, thanks for the ask. But they kept talking to me.

WorldsStongestNerd
Apr 28, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
That rent a immigrant thing seems like what they do in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. No need to call back to US slavery, we have a current right now real world example of how that leads to dehumanization. (yes I know the workers in Dubai are migrants and can't immigrate there).

Ah yes, wouldn't be great to sponsor an immigrant from a war torn nation. If they miss a spot on the floor I can threaten to give an unsatifactory review so they'll be sent back to die.

Willa Rogers
Mar 11, 2005



Eric Posner is a professor at the University of Chicago Law School.

Glen Weyl works at Microsoft Research and teaches at Yale. Their book, Radical Markets: Uprooting Capitalism and Democracy for a Just Society, will be published in the spring.

quote:

In an article just published in Slate, University of Chicago law professor Eric Posner made the following proposal, which is meant to “protect” naive teenagers from ISIS propaganda.

quote:

Consider a law that makes it a crime to access websites that glorify, express support for, or provide encouragement for ISIS or support recruitment by ISIS; to distribute links to those websites or videos, images, or text taken from those websites; or to encourage people to access such websites by supplying them with links or instructions.

quote:

In June 2013, Posner and Jameel Jaffer, fellow at the Open Society Foundations, participated in The New York Times's Room for Debate series. Posner responded to concerns about expanded National Security Agency (NSA) programs that vacuum information about the private lives of American citizens. Those who oppose the surveillance claim that the collection and storing of unlimited metadata is a highly invasive form of surveillance of citizens' communications. Posner claimed that Americans obtain the services they want by disclosing private information to strangers such as "the market services of doctors, insurance companies, Internet service providers, employers, therapists and the rest, or the nonmarket services of the government like welfare and security." Posner in 2013 argued that since 2001 there had not been a single instance of "war-on-terror-related surveillance in which the government used information obtained for security purposes to target a political opponent, dissenter or critic".

quote:

from Posner's "The case against human rights"

Take the right not to be tortured, for example. In most countries torture is not a matter of official policy. As in Brazil, local police often use torture because they believe that it is an effective way to maintain order or to solve crimes. If the national government decided to wipe out torture, it would need to create honest, well-paid investigatory units to monitor the police. The government would also need to fire its police forces and increase the salaries of the replacements. It would probably need to overhaul the judiciary as well, possibly the entire political system. Such a government might reasonably argue that it should use its limited resources in a way more likely to help people – building schools and medical clinics, for example. If this argument is reasonable, then it is a problem for human rights law, which does not recognise any such excuse for failing to prevent torture.

Posner's a dangerous, powerful jerk.

Willa Rogers fucked around with this message at 06:52 on Feb 14, 2018

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Someone in the comments of that article pointed out that what he describes is literally indentured servitude. I had trouble not laughing when I initially read the article, just because it's so incredibly, absurdly terrible. Like, they're proposing creating a new underclass of (likely mostly PoC) people in the US who make below minimum wage and give a portion of their earnings to their owners - sorry, "sponsors." While they are technically "free" to go back home, in practice this would lead to the sponsors having a ton of control over them, and various forms of abuse would be rampant.

It genuinely stuns me that supposed educated/professional people wrote this. I mean, I guess I'm not really surprised, but Christ. What is wrong with our society such that people like this can become respected and employed at prestigious institutions?

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

our society?

i think this is the norm across the world, to different degrees.

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD
Jul 7, 2012

Willa Rogers posted:

Posner's a dangerous, powerful jerk.
Posner is occasionally brilliant in privacy law but yeah, it's a lot of this.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
On the Satan page, liberals are eager to make slavery cool again, Hillary Clinton was just ahead of the curve.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

Someone in the comments of that article pointed out that what he describes is literally indentured servitude. I had trouble not laughing when I initially read the article, just because it's so incredibly, absurdly terrible. Like, they're proposing creating a new underclass of (likely mostly PoC) people in the US who make below minimum wage and give a portion of their earnings to their owners - sorry, "sponsors." While they are technically "free" to go back home, in practice this would lead to the sponsors having a ton of control over them, and various forms of abuse would be rampant.

It genuinely stuns me that supposed educated/professional people wrote this. I mean, I guess I'm not really surprised, but Christ. What is wrong with our society such that people like this can become respected and employed at prestigious institutions?

I dunno man, techno-capitalists got around to inventing things that have already existed like "the bus" and "a store" so them inventing "indentured servitude" isn't too far behind. Technologically advanced, mentally in the gilded era.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

It turns out journalists are all liars and morons.

Who knew?

Everyone. Everyone knew.

shrike82
Jun 11, 2005

Rent-A-Cop posted:

It turns out journalists are all liars and morons.

Who knew?

Everyone. Everyone knew.

ask the demographic that watches the newsroom

eNeMeE
Nov 26, 2012

Ytlaya posted:

It genuinely stuns me that supposed educated/professional people wrote this. I mean, I guess I'm not really surprised, but Christ. What is wrong with our society such that people like this can become respected and employed at prestigious institutions?
Education doesn't require any kind of ethics or history involved. Prestigious institutions are usually founded on ages of being terrible, too.

Roadie
Jun 30, 2013

Chadderbox posted:

Are they advocating indentured servitude in 2018? Wtf?

But see, anything that big corporations can do under the color of law is ethical, and there are absolutely no problems in the existing corporate-sponsored visa scheme, and therefore

Also, that part where they reference au pairs is lol, given that there's literally a class-action lawsuit going on right now against several of the major companies that import au pairs in the US.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

shrike82 posted:

ask the demographic that watches the newsroom

Literally no one?

e: Yes, that was a cheap shot, but by God, someone had to take it.

Majorian fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Feb 14, 2018

WampaLord
Jan 14, 2010

Rent-A-Cop posted:

It turns out journalists are all liars and morons.

Who knew?

Everyone. Everyone knew.

Thankfully, the young know. And they're pretty lefty to boot.

quote:

In response to the question, “Which type of political system do you think is the most compassionate?”, 58 percent said socialism and 9 percent said communism. Just 33 percent chose capitalism. Sixty-six percent of the poll’s respondents said corporate America “embodies everything that is wrong about America.”

Finally, more young Americans declared that the “most pressing issue facing America today” is income inequality than anything else. Income inequality was followed by education — specifically its cost. Respondents said they most respect nurses and doctors, followed by teachers and soldiers. The least-respected professions are bankers (2 percent), real estate agents (2 percent), elected officials (4 percent), and business leaders (6 percent). Wisely, just 7 percent of young Americans respect journalists.

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/24/top-gop-pollster-young-americans-are-terrifyingly-liberal/

hangedman1984
Jul 25, 2012

shrike82 posted:

ask the demographic that watches the newsroom

Hey, I watched the Newsroom. I mean I also understood that it, like most Sorkins stuff, is about as big of fantasy as Game of Thrones.

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

:stonklol:

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