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Mezzanon posted:Real talk though does anybody have any experience on Legacy Goblins/Infect? I've played a bit of infect casually and a few times at 15-20 person LGS events. It is a fun, versitile, skill-intensive deck. It did get hurt by Fatal Push, but probably less so than the Modern deck (especially since we can still play probe). Also I once watched for a minute from 20' away as Tom Ross played it on camera at an Open, so I'm basically an expert. If I go to Worcester I'll probably either be on Infect or Nic Fit Rector.
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Mezzanon posted:Real talk though does anybody have any experience on Legacy Goblins/Infect? I have played Legacy infect badly a few times, and will be doing so at GP Seattle.
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Feb 12, 2018 22:57
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Cactrot posted:I have played Legacy infect badly a few times, and will be doing so at GP Seattle. I have played legacy infect poorly about 4 times. And legacy goblins zero times. But I have both decks, and am trying to decide on what to play for SeaTac
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Mezzanon posted:I have played legacy infect poorly about 4 times. And legacy goblins zero times. But I have both decks, and am trying to decide on what to play for SeaTac I personally hated Infect. It was like, "oooh, look at me, I drew an Invigorate, you're dead." It felt terrible even when I was winning. Goblins is pretty straightforward. Don't overextend vs. Miracles/UW Control. Turn Goblins sideways. Attack valuable mana pieces with Port and Wasteland.
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Mezzanon posted:I have played legacy infect poorly about 4 times. And legacy goblins zero times. But I have both decks, and am trying to decide on what to play for SeaTac Play infect because you're more likely to steal some free wins with it. You'll have to work for every last edge with goblins (and if you haven't played it extensively you are almost guaranteed to miss winning lines fairly regularly) and you're still basically a bye for most combo. Basically, don't go into a Legacy tournament with a fair deck that you don't know like the back of your hand. It's a recipe for disaster.
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Feb 12, 2018 23:42
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Errant Gin Monks posted:I don't GDS wants it. I think a nice BUG shell would fit him well.  This abomination was where my mind went first. It's probably too clunky but I'll jam it at FNM at least once.
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Feb 13, 2018 00:22
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Sampatrick posted:Potential UB Faeries list with JTMS here. Jace makes late game discard/leaks much less problematic and between all your random fliers and Tar Pit you should be quite good at killing opposing Jaces. You also no longer need to play any Snapcaster Mages which means you can get away with playing more Mistbind Cliques which improves your big mana matchups - matchups that will probably become more common now that people are going to be playing more Jund/Uxx decks that tend to fold to big mana strategies. The sideboard is spaghetti on a wall and includes some somewhat experimental things but it's worth a shot. Let me know if y'all see any notable exclusions or have any ideas for what might be good in the deck. I'm gonna try that list. Thanks, I'm always up to make faeries work lol.
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Feb 13, 2018 00:48
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KenBearlLOLOL posted:Play infect because you're more likely to steal some free wins with it. You'll have to work for every last edge with goblins (and if you haven't played it extensively you are almost guaranteed to miss winning lines fairly regularly) and you're still basically a bye for most combo. Basically, don't go into a Legacy tournament with a fair deck that you don't know like the back of your hand. It's a recipe for disaster. That's fair. Grindy fair decks are my jam, and goblins are also my jam. I will grind out reps with both decks as often as possible leading up to seatac
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Modern’s first $2000 deck??
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Lawnie posted:Modern’s first $2000 deck?? Jund won that contest at least a year ago
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Feb 13, 2018 02:25
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$200 Goyfs, $80 Confidants, $70 Verdants, $90 Lilis. I think the other 59 cards easily made up the other $440.
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Deck: Modern Sultai    //Creatures 2 Gurmag Angler 2 Jace, Vryn's Prodigy 2 Scavenging Ooze 2 Snapcaster Mage 4 Tarmogoyf 1 Tasigur, the Golden Fang //Spells 2 Abrupt Decay 3 Fatal Push 2 Maelstrom Pulse 1 Painful Truths 4 Serum Visions 2 Thought Scour 2 Thoughtseize //Artifacts/Enchantments 1 Bitterblossom 2 Engineered Explosives //Planeswalkers 2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor 2 Liliana of the Veil 2 Liliana, the Last Hope //Lands 3 Blooming Marsh 1 Breeding Pool 3 Darkslick Shores 1 Flooded Grove 1 Forest 1 Island 3 Misty Rainforest 1 Overgrown Tomb 2 Polluted Delta 1 Sunken Ruins 1 Swamp 2 Verdant Catacombs 2 Watery Grave  Display deck statisticsThis is what I've been testing a bit. EvilBeard fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Feb 13, 2018 |
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Feb 13, 2018 07:59
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EvilBeard posted:Deck: Modern Sultai
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Errant Gin Monks posted:You think darkslicks over tarpits? The deck I'm playing is a little more midrange and not as much full on control. Having mana available and not getting the clunky CIPT lands early can be imporant, expecially with only 22 lands. This is just a slight iteration of a deck I've been testing, but I like them so far.
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Feb 13, 2018 08:15
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EvilBeard posted:The deck I'm playing is a little more midrange and not as much full on control. Having mana available and not getting the clunky CIPT lands early can be imporant, expecially with only 22 lands. This is just a slight iteration of a deck I've been testing, but I like them so far. That's cool. I'm working on this list. 4 tarmogoyf 3 snapcaster 2 gurmag 2 Jace vryns prodigy 2 Jace the mind sculptor 2 lilly veil 2 lilly last hope 3 dark confidant 2 as foretold 4 ancestral visions 3 fatal push 2 dismember 2 abrupt decay 4 thoughtseize 1 search for Azcanta 2 swamp 2 island 1 forest 4 polluted Delta 4 verdant catacombs 3 watery grave 2 breeding pool 2 overgrown tomb 2 Misty rainforest Not sure yet on the as foretold and ancestrals.
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In non-JtMS news I finally finished my Blue Moon list for Modern. Thinking that I might run it or Ponza out for a few months while people figure out their Jace decks, in an effort to try and prey on greedy manabases with Blood Moon- 1 Breeding Pool 2 Desolate Lighthouse 1 Flooded Strand 7 Island 3 Misty Rainforest 1 Mountain 4 Scalding Tarn 3 Steam Vents 2 Sulfur Falls 2 Blood Moon 3 Cryptic Command 2 Electrolyze 3 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Opt 1 Pull from Tomorrow 4 Remand 1 Search for Azcanta 3 Snapcaster Mage 2 Spell Snare 2 Supreme Will 4 Through the Breach 1 Vendilion Clique Sideboard: 2 Ancient Grudge 2 Anger of the Gods 1 Blood Moon 2 Ceremonious Rejection 2 Dispel 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Entrancing Melody 1 Jace, Architect of Thought 1 Keranos, God of Storms 2 Roast Ironically, the deck could probably benefit from one or two JtMS  Is anyone else running this deck? I know most of these lists are running Platinum Empirion + Madcap Experiment but I already had the Emrakuls and Breaches, plus Empirion seems not so great with maindeck Abrades starting to show up in some decks. Also my SB Ancient Grudges should probably be Abrades.
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Feb 14, 2018 05:07
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Guess how Norin Sisters loses to Grishoalbrand on the play after opening t0 leyline of sanctity, t1 sister, t2 RiP, t3 Genesis Chamber hold up path, t4 Purphoros. The answer is never drawing another creature and dying to four hard cast SSGs and myr backup
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Feb 14, 2018 15:53
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Any UW control players here given any thought into changes in the deck now that jtms is unbanned? I'm almost certainly cutting the single Jace AoT for one, and I'd been messing around with the Ojutai version but that card is always just a win-more so I'm going to cut it for a 2nd jtms. I think two is probably the right number to start. Not sure if the rest of the deck changes composition as a result of including jtms though, or if it's still on the same plan of stall until t4 and wrath. I don't know if the deck wants to start playing mana leak again to improve odds of landing a safe jtms but I doubt it. Alternatively, people are discussing modern UW miracles? Anyone seen testing of that to indicate if it's better than normal UW draw-go?
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Feb 14, 2018 16:08
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I've basically never played modern, am I Really loving Stupid for wanting to play a U/B/W deck that just runs a bunch of discard and fatal pushes/paths on 1, some remands and snaps on 2, ashiok on 3, jace and cryptic on 4 w/ some sweepers in there somewhere?
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Any UW control players here given any thought into changes in the deck now that jtms is unbanned? I'm almost certainly cutting the single Jace AoT for one, and I'd been messing around with the Ojutai version but that card is always just a win-more so I'm going to cut it for a 2nd jtms. I think two is probably the right number to start. Not sure if the rest of the deck changes composition as a result of including jtms though, or if it's still on the same plan of stall until t4 and wrath. I don't know if the deck wants to start playing mana leak again to improve odds of landing a safe jtms but I doubt it. I think if you're playing terminus you start with 3 jtms, maybe 4 and 2-3 search for azcanta bare minimum for manipulation. The only reason terminus was bad is you couldn't put it back. So you want to maximize your ability to do so. Being able to 1 Mana wrath on your turn and hold up removal/counters is gonna be really really strong.
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The March Hare posted:I've basically never played modern, am I Really loving Stupid for wanting to play a U/B/W deck that just runs a bunch of discard and fatal pushes/paths on 1, some remands and snaps on 2, ashiok on 3, jace and cryptic on 4 w/ some sweepers in there somewhere? As someone who also never plays modern, that all sounds fine in my mind except that as much as I love Ashiok, I don't think it's good enough to see play over either of the 3-drop Lilianas. The Last Hope probably fits better in the deck you're describing since it sounds like you want to be able to hold up countermagic a reasonable amount of the time.
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L0cke17 posted:I think if you're playing terminus you start with 3 jtms, maybe 4 and 2-3 search for azcanta bare minimum for manipulation. The only reason terminus was bad is you couldn't put it back. So you want to maximize your ability to do so. Being able to 1 Mana wrath on your turn and hold up removal/counters is gonna be really really strong. Right but this is also why I'm skeptical of the miracles decks. Having to put terminus back with Jace means no wrath until turn 5, while letting GDS decks thought scour you or use stubborn denial. Search+Opt+Jace might be the new inclusions needed to make the deck work but I would want to see it in action first. I like playing my Gideons.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Alternatively, people are discussing modern UW miracles? Anyone seen testing of that to indicate if it's better than normal UW draw-go? I agree with L0cke17. I've been playing the deck, but I've never tried to play proper UW, and control strategies in modern in general have rarely been the center of my attention. I will just note that the deck has been playable with a playset of Riverwise Augur, and a singleton Jace, The Living Guildpact has been bonkers in some cases... so I have to imagine that replacing 3/4s of the Augurs with Jaces, could make the deck a lot stronger. Jace in the worst case is pretty close to Augur in the best case. My only sadness is that Augur only had a moment to shine in the sun, and I'm only going to get to play with my foil Guildpacts for a week. quote:Right but this is also why I'm skeptical of the miracles decks. Having to put terminus back with Jace means no wrath until turn 5, while letting GDS decks thought scour you or use stubborn denial. Search+Opt+Jace might be the new inclusions needed to make the deck work but I would want to see it in action first. I like playing my Gideons. Well, once in a while you get lucky and just blind flip a terminus on t3 or t4 -- and Telling Time can do a reasonable brainstorm impression to help set that up, or at least help you draw a path. The deck seems great to me in most of the midrange matchups I've played, and mostly just ignores early discard because half the time they're just choosing from a handful of cantrips and when they're not most of our draws will be. Really fast aggro is a different story; I lost a game to Elves where I was able to go path, path, leak, snap-path and it didn't matter. Cabbages and VHS fucked around with this message at 16:42 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Oldsrocket_27 posted:As someone who also never plays modern, that all sounds fine in my mind except that as much as I love Ashiok, I don't think it's good enough to see play over either of the 3-drop Lilianas. The Last Hope probably fits better in the deck you're describing since it sounds like you want to be able to hold up countermagic a reasonable amount of the time. Yeah, I was actually thinking of like a 2/2/3 split between lil/ash/jace in my head. I always think things like "ashiok probably isn't strong enough" but then I cast her in, say, legacy and am just blown away by how strong she actually is. Stealing & casting your opponent's goyfs for 0 mana or whatever feels really good.
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The March Hare posted:I've basically never played modern, am I Really loving Stupid for wanting to play a U/B/W deck that just runs a bunch of discard and fatal pushes/paths on 1, some remands and snaps on 2, ashiok on 3, jace and cryptic on 4 w/ some sweepers in there somewhere? Not really, I have wanted to make some sort of Esper control deck work for a while but haven't settled on a list that I like well enough. I think Gideon is probably a better wincon than Ashiok but if it's been working out well for you then keep rolling with it. Also run Lingering Souls! On the subject of UBx control I've actually seen a number of Grixis control lists popping up lately that I really want to try out in some form.
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Tim Raines IRL posted:I agree with L0cke17. I've been playing the deck, but I've never tried to play proper UW, and control strategies in modern in general have rarely been the center of my attention. I will just note that the deck has been playable with a playset of Riverwise Augur, and a singleton Jace, The Living Guildpact has been bonkers in some cases... so I have to imagine that replacing 3/4s of the Augurs with Jaces, could make the deck a lot stronger. Jace in the worst case is pretty close to Augur in the best case. I agree with your experiences. Serum Visions can also setup a Terminus in a pinch. The deck's not stuck waiting until T5 for a terminus; most often it'll drop some combination of Serum Visions / Path / Mana Leak and will stabilize off a terminus setup by one of the cantrips; and drop Jace a little later game.
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What I’m really hoping is that the presence of Jace doesn’t completely choke out other decks, especially midrange. Right now there’s definitely a ton of hype around him and it does seem like he might be choking out other options for decks and alternative cards in decks. Terminus especially is a card without easy answers for a lot of decks that just smokes out a game. I guess it won’t be 100% clear until we see some tournament results.
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So should control be on 4 terminus, or some split with verdict? Decks like GDS not being able to stubborn denial a verdict is usually pretty important. 3/1?
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   Mr. Worker gets 3 +1/+1 counters total, right? Hardened Scales doesn't count sources of +1/+1 counters if they're simultaneous, yeah?
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BrianBoitano posted:
Edit: I was wrong, correct answer is in the next post. Is it because Hardened Scales is a replacement effect, not a triggered ability? I’m happy to be wrong if savage summoning isn’t a triggered ability. Lawnie fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Feb 14, 2018 |
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Lawnie posted:I think it’s 4. Scales sees two triggers to add a counter and adds one to each. It gets 3. It enters the battlefield with 2 +1/+1 counters only once which hardened scales sees.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Right but this is also why I'm skeptical of the miracles decks. Having to put terminus back with Jace means no wrath until turn 5, while letting GDS decks thought scour you or use stubborn denial. Search+Opt+Jace might be the new inclusions needed to make the deck work but I would want to see it in action first. I like playing my Gideons. Saffron Olive did a really good job of manipulating his library with his miracles in mind last night. He cast opt to miracle teminus for example, because of the scry off of serum visions previously.
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jassi007 posted:Saffron Olive did a really good job of manipulating his library with his miracles in mind last night. He cast opt to miracle teminus for example, because of the scry off of serum visions previously. Cool. I have the miracles cards and want to try it but I'm always a skeptic about everything. What stream was it on? I want to see the replays.
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Modern Superleague
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Cool. I have the miracles cards and want to try it but I'm always a skeptic about everything. What stream was it on? I want to see the replays. Modern super league. The match against burn is where he set up a miracle terminus. It was prety slick, he had a negate in hand, two mana (I think uw and w) and everyone expected him to negate the spell and take the damage. He takes the burn and opts in reponse and Randy freaked out, but he terminus'd. He posted today on twitter or reddit that he'd scry'd it with Serum visions and wanted to opt/terminus to hold the negates up for other burn.
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jassi007 posted:Modern super league. The match against burn is where he set up a miracle terminus. It was prety slick, he had a negate in hand, two mana (I think uw and w) and everyone expected him to negate the spell and take the damage. He takes the burn and opts in reponse and Randy freaked out, but he terminus'd. He posted today on twitter or reddit that he'd scry'd it with Serum visions and wanted to opt/terminus to hold the negates up for other burn. Nice. Can't locate it on the stupid twitch app but maybe it'll appear on YouTube later. Was the miracles deck still using 4 field of ruin? No seas seems to make the deck worse against tron but even with seas that matchup is miserable and barely ever winnable in my experience.
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Fingers McLongDong posted:Nice. Can't locate it on the stupid twitch app but maybe it'll appear on YouTube later. Was the miracles deck still using 4 field of ruin? No seas seems to make the deck worse against tron but even with seas that matchup is miserable and barely ever winnable in my experience. I'm not sure if it was full 4, but he beat G Tron and field was really good. He also had a GQ? He came loaded for bear against tron and did well. Doesn't hurt that he set up a t2 stoney silence in game 3 and wrecked him super hard.
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This quote from the main threadCount Bleck posted:I half want to try a dumb deck running a bunch of ponza cards, BBE, and poo poo like Blightning. has me wondering what a low-curve Ponza deck would look like with BBE, maybe with a black splash. Basically Ponza with fewer big creature and mana dorks, and with four BBE and some value creatures or always-useful spells like extra Bolts and Beast Withins. Like Arbor Elf Bolt Stone Rain Beast Within BBE Finks OGW Nissa Other creatures with good ETB triggers ??? E: Or maybe a Jund analogue of Little Kid Abzan? Is that even possible? C-Euro fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Feb 15, 2018 |
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BrianBoitano posted:
Lawnie posted:Edit: I was wrong, correct answer is in the next post. Is it because Hardened Scales is a replacement effect, not a triggered ability? Errant Gin Monks posted:It gets 3. It enters the battlefield with 2 +1/+1 counters only once which hardened scales sees. Thanks. What if you Savage Summoning in a Winding Constrictor? Does it get 1 or 2 +1/+1s? I'd assume 2 but if the "extra counters" ability doesn't kick in until after it's a permanent and already got its +1/+1 counter, that could make some kind of sense. e: I mean without Hardened Scales on the board. Just the Savage + Constrictor.  My coworker hasn't been able to play since I made this Hardened Scales deck so I'm going stir-crazy, thanks for humoring me 
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BrianBoitano posted:Thanks. You are correct . Winding consrictors ability doesn't apply to itself as it enters the battlefield. So it's just 1 counter.
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