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GalacticAcid posted:no argument here but republicans were much, much better at dismantling labor unions than the dems That doesn't really address the point. It makes sense for the GOP to attack labor because organized workers are a threat to its core mission. It makes less sense for the supposed party of the people to abandon one of their most critical extra-party support networks in favor of triangulation third way horseshit. It'd be like if liberals managed to destroy the NRA as a functioning political institution and along the way Republicans just kinda low-key signed onto various gun control measures and ignored NRA asks while paying it lip service. Yeah, liberals in this case were the more active antagonists, but they didn't shoot themselves in the foot by being wishy-washy and spurning their base. e:f,b in much fewer and better words.
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GalacticAcid posted:no argument here but republicans were much, much better at dismantling labor unions than the dems Actually, southern democrats were the best at that.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:19
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whatever this poo poo's boring who cares
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i've changed my mind...tehre are no structural issues dictating politics, there are no material conditions worth analyzing beyond 'dems bad'
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Feb 16, 2018 18:21
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lol actually i got one ban all guns, you morons
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Feb 16, 2018 18:21
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ban all guns, but only if it also applies to police
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its asymmetrical because the republicans understand that the extraparty orgs are important which is why they defend the megachurches and do all they can to gently caress over labor but the dems refuse to acknowledge anything outside the DC/NYC bubble and let unions die and only pay lip service to racial justice organizations (that are also being actively fought by republicans and cops)
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GalacticAcid posted:this requires a longer post than im willing to do right now but right, and once back in power, the Democrats should go after the NRA, after right wing media, and after right wing churches
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Feb 16, 2018 18:26
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:right, and once back in power, the Democrats should go after the NRA, after right wing media, and after right wing churches inshallah
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Feb 16, 2018 18:27
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GalacticAcid posted:i've changed my mind...tehre are no structural issues dictating politics, there are no material conditions worth analyzing beyond 'dems bad' The thing is my dude that the dems absolutely contributed to those structural issues, the party deliberately turned to the right from the 70s onward and embraced a political strategy around attacking labor and activists. They did this because of structural issues too, but there's a reason people keep getting mad at this loving party. Cause any whole answer to "how did poo poo get this bad" has, as part of it, a lot of poo poo that the democrats actively did, not just stuff they failed to stop.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:28
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yea no poo poo that doesn't contradict anything i said
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GalacticAcid posted:inshallah I mean poo poo that won’t happen for $200, but Bernie’s apparent lack of interest in going after much of the right’s sources of power doesn’t give me much hope for Bernieism being a meaningful force in opposing fascism either
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Feb 16, 2018 18:29
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Oh Snapple! posted:ban all guns, but only if it also applies to police 
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Feb 16, 2018 18:30
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im signing off for a few days because the failing new york times thread is making me unacceptably mad online i'll report back on tuesday about how canvassing for ocasio against old poo poo dem crowley goes on saturday have a good Nixon / Buchanan / Trump day weekend pce to succ zone
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Feb 16, 2018 18:31
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ban the police, give everyone free guns provided by the state
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Feb 16, 2018 18:31
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:right, and once back in power, the Democrats should go after the NRA, after right wing media, and after right wing churches Should. Won't.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:32
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Rest well, Brother Acid.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:34
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Should. Won't. no kidding
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Feb 16, 2018 18:36
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Shear Modulus posted:its asymmetrical because the republicans understand that the extraparty orgs are important which is why they defend the megachurches and do all they can to gently caress over labor but the dems refuse to acknowledge anything outside the DC/NYC bubble and let unions die and only pay lip service to racial justice organizations (that are also being actively fought republicans and cops) How is this party not controlled opposition in all ways that matter
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Feb 16, 2018 18:39
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Inescapable Duck posted:How is this party not controlled opposition in all ways that matter Because that would imply that someone's in control.
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The Little Kielbasa posted:Rest well, Brother Acid. this is a  moment for me. I have never seen that 'c' before.
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Feb 16, 2018 18:46
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docbeard posted:Because that would imply that someone's in control. Extremely rich people acting in their own self interest are in control, more or less.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I mean poo poo that won’t happen for $200, but Bernie’s apparent lack of interest in going after much of the right’s sources of power doesn’t give me much hope for Bernieism being a meaningful force in opposing fascism either Hes not perfect but he has said more poo poo about another major source of right wing power (the 1% donor class) than literally any other dem Its not really possible for him to speak out against the evangelicals since hes a heathen jew to them Any major opposition to the megachurches is going to have to come from within Christianity, unfortunately
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Feb 16, 2018 19:08
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Inescapable Duck posted:How is this party not controlled opposition in all ways that matter oh theyre controlled opposition all right but mamy of them are too dumb or blinkered to realize it
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Feb 16, 2018 19:09
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Oh Snapple! posted:ban all guns, but only if it also applies to police Agreed.
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Feb 16, 2018 19:09
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all politics is controlled opposition to the real source of world power, Gay Frogs
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logikv9 posted:all politics is controlled opposition to the real source of world power, Gay Frogs *wordlessly pushes a juice box across the table*
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:right, and once back in power, the Democrats should go after the NRA, after right wing media, and after right wing churches All religion, not just some dumbass two-sides of politics, right vs left. framing.
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Get ready for the next wave of left-punching https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/964561782953136128
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Ruzihm posted:Get ready for the next wave of left-punching https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/964561782953136128 The perfidious bernie bros' are actually russian sleeper agents!
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Ruzihm posted:Get ready for the next wave of left-punching https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/964561782953136128 can’t believe those dang ruskies got me to support universal health care and free college! welp, i have seen the error of my ways and i’m a centrist now
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Feb 16, 2018 19:20
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its gonna be cool when legitimately good leftist candidates trying to primary lovely centrist dems are going to be treated as traitors and called Russian spies and people will actually believe it lol just kidding...that wont be cool at all!!!
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GoluboiOgon posted:i think that a lot of the hopeless obama fans are looking for another strong, wise black leader to idolize while the world burns. this one is completely imaginary, but they don't care. tbf obama the strong, wise leader was imaginary too The Little Kielbasa posted:Except Dems actively undermined the leftist equivalent of evangelical churches and the NRA: labor unions (especially radical ones). and spent the better part of the past two decades dithering while black people were systematically disenfranchised, after actively disenfranchising them themselves during the clinton administration
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:can’t believe those dang ruskies got me to support universal health care and free college! welp, i have seen the error of my ways and i’m a centrist now #AetnaIsBae #LoveDatDeductible #ComradeBerned #ZuckTeachAmerica
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:All religion, not just some dumbass two-sides of politics, right vs left. framing. wrong, between both MLK and in the modern day, Rev. Barber
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:wrong, between both MLK and in the modern day, Rev. Barber Don't forget the Honorable Rev. Wright.
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Ruzihm posted:Get ready for the next wave of left-punching https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/964561782953136128 
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:wrong, between both MLK and in the modern day, Rev. Barber barber's a bernie bro now
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Bernie sanders on the body of Arnold Schwarzenegger, known misogynist and possibly product of a nazi supersoldier program
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A nigh-inexhaustible war chest, her pick of the supposed cream of the crop of campaign advisors and experts in matters of strategy, and she couldn't overcome a six figgy Facebook ad buy.
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