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Mordiceius posted:Goddamn, it would loving rule if someone just released a recoded character builder for 4E that trimmed out all of the poo poo feats/bad classes. While I am anti-bad feat and have been pro-"feat package," there's some disagreement around the edges about what constitutes bad. I am the guy who has made a wizard that focuses magic missile (considered bad; wrongly I think) and wears a shield with hide armor.
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dwarf74 posted:Yeah the Dragon of Tyr is a big, walking monster with a glowing "PLEASE STUN-LOCK ME" sign. To be fair even MV solos often become pinatas with powers like Witchfire (Feylock L1 Encounter power) that inflict attack debuffs for a round. We have a house rule that solos can shrug any condition for the cost of an action point - and certain solos can do it for a cost in HP.
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Having a bit of a brain fart, if I was building a character that used a staff for an implement, and a quarterstaff for a weapon, can they be the same item? If I get one as a magic item, can it function as both a +1 implement and a weapon?
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Feb 17, 2018 05:52
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Ash Rose posted:Having a bit of a brain fart, if I was building a character that used a staff for an implement, and a quarterstaff for a weapon, can they be the same item? If I get one as a magic item, can it function as both a +1 implement and a weapon? Staff = Quarterstaff, they're the same item. quote:Staff Implement
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Feb 17, 2018 05:57
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Generic Octopus posted:Staff = Quarterstaff, they're the same item. So, to be clear, if I got a +1 magic quarterstaff, it gives +1 to hit and damage when used as an implement, and +1 to hit and damage when used as a weapon?
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Feb 17, 2018 06:02
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Ash Rose posted:So, to be clear, if I got a +1 magic quarterstaff, it gives +1 to hit and damage when used as an implement, and +1 to hit and damage when used as a weapon? Yes, e: thinking about it, you might only need to be proficient to get the item's powers/properties. The bonuses you might get regardless. e2: yea, proficiency is irrelevant except for gaining Implement properties for Implement powers. Regardless, you should have no issues with a staff. Generic Octopus fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Feb 17, 2018 |
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Feb 17, 2018 06:10
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Generic Octopus posted:Yes, Rad, thanks very much, I was 90% that was how it worked but I kept second guessing.
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Feb 17, 2018 06:29
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Mordiceius posted:Goddamn, it would loving rule if someone just released a recoded character builder for 4E that trimmed out all of the poo poo feats/bad classes.
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Feb 17, 2018 10:32
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One thing to note about the staff implement/quarterstaff interaction: if you wield the staff as a one-handed implement, you cannot use it as a quarterstaff weapon, because while the staff implement only requires one hand, as a weapon the quarterstaff is two-handed. This is different from (as far as I know) any other weapon/implement (often called "weapliment") combination.
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We're finishing up a beholder hunt this weekend and as a bonus because two regular group members had to cancel, our DM is giving us all familiars. But not regular 4E familiars, instead they're custom companions that give us additional powers. We can trigger a familiar as a minor action 1/turn, and it will use one random spell from its list "to the best of its ability." If you haven't figured it out by now, our DM doesn't usually run 4E and is much less concerned with game balance than with making poo poo up so it kinda fits into the framework of whatever system we're in. quote:Attack familiar: attack bonus +12, Range 10, roll 1d6 I feel like the support one is strictly better. For one thing, there's Haste. For another, if we use these on the regular, we stand a very good chance of all ending up with Truesight and a decent one of triggering Darkness during the final battle for a guaranteed encounter-length -2 to enemy attacks only. Hell, if we really want to be dicks about it, we start the adventure by saying we trigger familiar abilities until we hit Truesight (which takes a minute at most), then take a short rest. Actually I should probably point that out to him and the support option will still be pretty good if he edits it. But yeah - which one would you pick, under the given circumstances?
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Feb 19, 2018 11:32
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Haste for sure. Action economy is everything, and getting an Action Point every encounter (that you can use the familiar) is huge.
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Feb 19, 2018 11:35
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Got an update:quote:Casting spells is taxing on the familiars, and they'll only do it in an emergency, i.e. in combat - if you tried forcing Truesight by pretending you're in danger, you'd break their trust and their bond to you, and they'd turn hostile.
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Feb 19, 2018 12:47
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That support familiar is bonkers, I'd take it in a heartbeat. I'm in an epic game and I'd take it in a heartbeat.
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Feb 19, 2018 16:20
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Asking them nicely is an at-will minor, but their spells are encounters, right? Do they just reroll if they roll the same effect again? e: Truesight lasts all day but is tagged as an encounter power? (I'm with the thread, support is insanely better.)
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Feb 19, 2018 17:47
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I would be uncomfortable if someone gave me that support familiar. There are level 30 capstones that aren't as good as the support familiar. If someone in your party is really not good tactically, maybe give them the support familiar, but only if that person is REALLY bad. Or is 7 years old.
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Feb 19, 2018 21:01
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There's no reason not to take the Support one, it's hilariously strong and the Attack type is kinda bad.
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Feb 19, 2018 21:28
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Hang on, am I reading it right that if you roll Haste you get a banked standard action that you can take at any time on your turn before the encounter ends? So, basically a free action point? That you can use in addition to an action point?
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Feb 19, 2018 21:36
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The attack one is like an extra 5-11ish damage per round, assuming you never have a use for your minor actions ever. The support one gives you probably the entire list of the support category one per day over the course of the day. As everyone said already, the support one is insanely busted.
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Feb 19, 2018 22:25
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Both of those are borked to gently caress and back. THe attack one because it doesn't scale at all, the support one because it does what it does. Not to mention that Familiars don't get turns, that various of the effects have no end conditions (unless (encounter) is supposed to mean until the end of the encounter). Holy shitballs, if this guy hasn't run 4e before does he need to take a moment to run it as written and not try to make poo poo up.
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Feb 20, 2018 00:51
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That support familiar is loving madness.
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Feb 20, 2018 01:46
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It also has the problem of sucking back minor actions, and depending on what class you're playing those could be pretty important. Your strikers with minor action features are probably going to be a bit miffed for example.
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Feb 20, 2018 03:15
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if you can't demand the actions at-will, it's probably not as strong as it would seem, but the Support one is still the stronger option by far.
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Feb 20, 2018 03:22
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Starting now to get a bit concerned that these familiars might actually overshadow our own abilities and make the whole thing cheap. Although I guess if I'm really concerned about that I can just take the attack familiar or cite some roleplay reason to take none at all.
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The 'advantage' of the attack familiar is that damage is always good and that the support familiar might roll a buff that you honestly don't care about, but the damage on the attack familiar is anemic. I'd take the support familiar too. e: for a more mechanical perspective, the attack familiar gets a random At-Will while the support familiar gets stuff that is Daily strength with encounter long duration or doesn't even exist as a Daily (that free standard action). Maybe talk to your DM about that. isndl fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Feb 20, 2018 |
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Feb 20, 2018 10:54
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Honestly, since I'm guessing that it's a campaign meant to ease people into tabletop, just have a gmpc instead.
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Ok, so in trying to make a weird fighter build, I think I messed up the math on the character builder a bit. I took the Master of the Fist monk multiclass feat that lets you nab the monk unarmed strike, which is a +3 proficiency d8 attack(also lets you use ki foci), and paired it with brawler style which grants a +2 enhancement bonus. I grabbed a +3 ki focus as a level 11 character, and the builder seems to think I have a +4 enhancement bonus. From where I am, I would think it should be +3 since the enhancement bonus from brawler style and the ki focus should not stack since they are the same bonus, but even if they stacked it should be +5 so I am kinda lost there. The final to-hit bonus it has is +19, and by my reckoning it should be +18 (+5 STR, +5 1/2 level, +3 prof, +2 feat(expertise), +3 enhance) Meanwhile, in the AC department, I have +3 wyvernscale armor, a fighting heavy shield, and again the brawler style. The armor gives +12 including enhancement, +15 for 10 and 1/2 level, +2 for the shield, and where it gets weird is brawler style which... quote:A fighter who selects the Brawler Style class feature instead of Fighter Weapon Talent, while wielding a weapon in the primary hand and having the off hand free or grabbing a creature, gains a +1 bonus to AC and a +2 bonus to Fortitude. Finally, there is the weirdness of the Fort save, which does not seem to want stack brawler style and the stout shield feat, with and without a heavy shield, it shows the same number for the fort save, but bizarrely, without the shield it shows 2 misc bonuses of 1 and 2 respectively, but with the shield it shows 2 misc bonuses of 5, and -2, and I have no loving clue where it would be getting any kind of minus. Am I missing something or are these just weird edge cases the builder does not account for?
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The offline builder does not play well with the Brawler features, I think due to the weirdness of having a weapon (unarmed attack) that also counts as a free hand, in both hands. I've never been able to sort out the issue, but I use a custom DM-created race as well which I've never been able to make CBLoader recognize either, so I just use the program to pick feats, powers, etc and make my own character sheet. Sucks, but there it is.
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Ok, so turns out I am dumb, The attack math is correct because the Brawler Style bonus increases to +4 at paragon, the AC and Fort ones are still kinda weird though. edit: also it messed up the math for hitting with the fighting shield, not adding the ki focus to it at all, is it some silly nonsense like the shied not counting as a weapon I am proficient with? Ash Rose fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Feb 25, 2018 |
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Ash Rose posted:Ok, so turns out I am dumb, The attack math is correct because the Brawler Style bonus increases to +4 at paragon, the AC and Fort ones are still kinda weird though. I don't know the specifics of your build, but weapon proficiency and armor proficiency for shields are different things.
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TheDemon posted:I don't know the specifics of your build, but weapon proficiency and armor proficiency for shields are different things. I mean, the text from dragon #385 pretty clearly states it is a military weapon. Dragon #385 posted:This shield is considered a military weapon and Though the text in character builder is a little different character builder text for fighting shield posted:This shield can be used as a one-handed melee weapon with +3 proficiency, 1d6 damage, heavy blade, offhand. It grants a +1 enhancement bonus to attack rolls and damage rolls when used as a melee weapon nad it deals 1d6 extra damage on a critical hit. Not sure why that one does not have the text referring to it being a military weapon, but either way it is pretty clearly a weapon and it you are clearly meant to be proficient with it since it has a proficiency bonus
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Is the shield in the right hand in the builder? Might not work if it's just assigned to the off-hand slot.
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My Lovely Horse posted:Is the shield in the right hand in the builder? Might not work if it's just assigned to the off-hand slot. It is in the main hand.
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Is there an official rule on stacking attack reroll effects? I've always assumed that you could string together rerolls with discrete powers (such as the various Stones of X, Life's Losing Hand, that kind of thing) so long as the powers can validly be invoked. I'm thinking about the interaction between Oath of Emnity and Perfect Front (Warlord daily 29). Both grant rerolls "for free", in that it's part of whatever attack power you're already using. Has there ever been any errata on whether they were intended to stack?
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kaynorr posted:Is there an official rule on stacking attack reroll effects? I've always assumed that you could string together rerolls with discrete powers (such as the various Stones of X, Life's Losing Hand, that kind of thing) so long as the powers can validly be invoked. I'm thinking about the interaction between Oath of Emnity and Perfect Front (Warlord daily 29). Both grant rerolls "for free", in that it's part of whatever attack power you're already using. Has there ever been any errata on whether they were intended to stack? Oath of Emnity has specific wording that prevents this: quote:"If another effect lets you roll twice and use the higher result when making an attack roll, this power has no effect on that attack. If an effect forces you to roll twice and use the lower result when making an attack roll, this power has no effect on that attack either. So basically: - no "roll twice" stacking - full reroll stacking - results substitution not disallowed Other powers may not have these specific exceptions (I don't have their wording in front of me), so for example, the interaction between Tenacious Weapon and Perfect Front may be basically up to the GM. To my knowledge there is no errata on any of these powers.
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Trying to look for fun feats to give my duelist rogue, went for daggers instead of a rapier even though it has some fun feats. What would be some interesting ones to grab? Currently at level 5 with cunning stalker and backstabber.
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Feb 26, 2018 22:40
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Light BLade Expertise should be your first choice.
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Feb 26, 2018 23:10
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Second light blade expertise. Gotta hit to do stuff. If you have a leader granting basic attacks, melee training will help the leader beat the snot out of enemies with you. It'll also mean that if an enemy is fighting you 1 on 1 and moves, opportunity sneak attack.
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Wait you can do SA on OA's? (Also already have melee training and vers expertise due to the houserule package)
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Feb 27, 2018 00:02
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If you've got combat advantage (like from cunning stalker) then hell yeah you can. Unless you're hybrid. I think.
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Non-hybrid rogues can do sneak attacks once per turn on any attack that deals damage with an appropriate weapon.
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