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JustJeff88 posted:The JCPenney thing was depressing to me because it showed me how stupid people are. Not that I didn't already know that, but it will saddens me to have it shown so clearly. Basically being tacitly told that people are thundering dumbfucks who like to be emotionally manipulated is a bitter pill to swallow. Yeah it really shows how JC Penney's recent executive direction was stupid as hell.
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JustJeff88 posted:The JCPenney thing was depressing to me because it showed me how stupid people are. Not that I didn't already know that, but it will saddens me to have it shown so clearly. Basically being tacitly told that people are thundering dumbfucks who like to be emotionally manipulated is a bitter pill to swallow. Apparently it never quite connects that if there's always a sale, that's actually the normal price & the normal price is the "we're legally obligated to have this not on sale sometimes, but feel free to buy it when it's more expensive" idiot tax.
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Idiot tax funded by coupon loopholes when I worked there though so that's nice.
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Haifisch posted:Kohl's operates on the same model. I've had one or two people go "I like going there because everything is always on sale!" Kohl's still ends up being a reasonable discount on the normal retail price for the same items at other stores though.
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JustJeff88 posted:The JCPenney thing was depressing to me because it showed me how stupid people are. Not that I didn't already know that, but it will saddens me to have it shown so clearly. Basically being tacitly told that people are thundering dumbfucks who like to be emotionally manipulated is a bitter pill to swallow. This is one of my favorite charts. Same question, same meaning but different word choice.  And look at that swing. Brains are ridiculous.
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Feb 16, 2018 03:01
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Is green yes and green no, or is green no and green yes?
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Feb 16, 2018 03:24
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Sorry, the first one. Here's Americans in general:  
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Feb 16, 2018 03:31
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FCKGW posted:Is green yes and green no, or is green no and green yes? 
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FCKGW posted:Is green yes and green no, or is green no and green yes?  "I'm colorblind, gently caress you!"
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Feb 16, 2018 17:02
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https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/964621782253699072 That's 200 out of 500 stores. Interesting to see a grocery chain go down.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:16
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How do you gently caress up selling a product that absolutely every human who's ever lived needs to obtain on a regular basis?
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Feb 17, 2018 16:20
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PT6A posted:How do you gently caress up selling a product that absolutely every human who's ever lived needs to obtain on a regular basis? By being real bad at capitalism?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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PT6A posted:How do you gently caress up selling a product that absolutely every human who's ever lived needs to obtain on a regular basis? Discount chains and premium chains are both getting huge traction and leaving mid range chains sort of without a market.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:28
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:lower class and upper class are both getting huge and leaving middle class sort of without options.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:30
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ha, what? I'm far too middle class to shop at this discount supermarket. ugg, a minority might touch me.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:35
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:ha, what? no I was just making a mildly unfunny analogy between the decline in middle market supermarkets and the decline of the middle class
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Feb 17, 2018 16:36
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"Well, I'm afraid the market for 'food' this quarter was was not as strong as anticipated." I mean, what??? Mind you, I haven't regularly used a car to do grocery shopping for my entire adult life, so selecting a supermarket on the basis of anything other than "I can walk there, and it has the food I need to buy" is foreign to me.
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PT6A posted:Mind you, I haven't regularly used a car to do grocery shopping for my entire adult life, so selecting a supermarket on the basis of anything other than "I can walk there, and it has the food I need to buy" is foreign to me. This. People with cars will absolutely drive to the other side of town because of premium organic borderline-scam food or whatever, and they'll drive to get sick deals instead if they don't want to burn money.
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suck my woke dick posted:This. People with cars will absolutely drive to the other side of town because of premium organic borderline-scam food or whatever, and they'll drive to get sick deals instead if they don't want to burn money. I have a car, I just don't use it for grocery shopping because driving when I could just walk six blocks would make me feel like the laziest rear end in a top hat in the world, and during any sort of high traffic period it would probably take longer and be more stressful anyway.
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PT6A posted:driving when I could just walk six blocks would make me feel like the laziest rear end in a top hat in the world, and during any sort of high traffic period it would probably take longer and be more stressful anyway. I don't think you "get" Americans. Or suburbanites anywhere else.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:42
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Grocery shopping without a car is a huge pain in the rear end. Even if the store is close you're still limited on what you can haul back, vs putting it all in your trunk. We regularly shop at Costco, no way would we be hauling pallets of stuff home on foot.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:44
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PT6A posted:"Well, I'm afraid the market for 'food' this quarter was was not as strong as anticipated." More like the market for food used to be "you buy food from a supermarket" but now is so big that every town with more than 5 people has a dollar general and a walmart and a target and a big lots and a trader joes and a whole food and enough restaurants and take out and fast food competing and every dollar spent anywhere else isn't spent at what used to be the one place in town that used to sell food.
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Feb 17, 2018 16:52
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We shop at giant eagle because until recently the gas program was generous enough that we would fill up 30 gallons every 6 weeks. Almost haven't paid for gas in 5 years. Granted we had a new child which required buying formula and diapers so that worked out.
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The grocery market is highly competitive and operates on somewhat small margins. Everybody wants a piece of the pie, and everyone has their own ideas about how to get it. When a chain goes under, it's due to mismanagement, or because other chains punched and spit on it until it died.PT6A posted:I have a car, I just don't use it for grocery shopping because driving when I could just walk six blocks would make me feel like the laziest rear end in a top hat in the world, and during any sort of high traffic period it would probably take longer and be more stressful anyway. Idiots at my store will complain about the price of our milk, and then say, "We'll just go get it at <competing store across town> where it's a dollar cheaper!" And then they do, because they're morons. As someone that used to work at that store, I know that the milk is roughly the same price as our own. They're saving less than a dollar. It seems more like spite than thriftiness. Myself, I drive to a store less than two blocks from my house. Why? Because in order to get there, I have to drive about six blocks. If I wanted to walk there, I'd be walking the same route that I drive. My infrastructure blows.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:ha, what? I mean, yeah, people do act on this kind of motivation.
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Any regional mid market store is generally pretty hosed, especially for grocery.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/964621782253699072 Pretty certain Winn-Dixie filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection a decade ago, and A&P's parent went bust in late 2015, so it's not really that uncommon to see supermarket chains go under.
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Hand Row posted:Any regional mid market store is generally pretty hosed, especially for grocery. It'll be a cold day in hell before Market Basket fails in New England.
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/businessinsider/status/964621782253699072 Most of the time they get bought. Winn Dixie is a holding of Southeastern Grocers, also owns BiLo. I've talked about them before in the thread. PT6A posted:How do you gently caress up selling a product that absolutely every human who's ever lived needs to obtain on a regular basis? Margins are really small. Alternately on purpose to shed obligations.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Pretty certain Winn-Dixie filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection a decade ago, and A&P's parent went bust in late 2015, so it's not really that uncommon to see supermarket chains go under. That's when Southeastern Grocers bought em.
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People are mostly price sensitive ir quality sensitive If you're price sensitive you go to the cheapest If quality sensitive you go to the best Who then, goes to the middle?
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PT6A posted:How do you gently caress up selling a product that absolutely every human who's ever lived needs to obtain on a regular basis? there's a shitload of competition in food retail, and dollar stores have been eating up the "rural and poor" demographic that winn-dixie and southeastern grocers group have been leaning on within a mile of me there's seven grocery stores. its a crowded marketplace
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Also thier competition in Florida is Publix. Publix don't gently caress around. Dad says "They have been renaming underperforming stores over the last year." Most of the closures may be Harvey's and BiLos. Sounds like they are keeping the Winn Dixie brand.
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Horseshoe theory posted:Pretty certain Winn-Dixie filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection a decade ago, and A&P's parent went bust in late 2015, so it's not really that uncommon to see supermarket chains go under. A&P's parent WAS A&P, and they'd basically been hosed since 2010 when they first went under chapter 11 protection due to leveraging so much to buy out Pathmark just before the great recession (which itself hadn't been doing well in the first place). Of course, A&P had been slowly fading since the 1960s, going through repeating cycles of attempting to keep up with competition by building new stores and financinang that by closing many more of their older smaller stores, etc.
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OhFunny posted:It'll be a cold day in hell before Market Basket fails in New England. Aren't they all about low prices? By mid market I meant middle prices, middle quality.
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Hand Row posted:Aren't they all about low prices? By mid market I meant middle prices, middle quality. Are they? I've pretty much only shopped there or at Shaw's and Shaw's is cheaper. That didn't help keep the Shaw's in my hometown from closing despite there being two Market Baskets on the same street.
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Malcolm XML posted:People are mostly price sensitive ir quality sensitive Yeah, and it's not like any one place makes you swear allegiance to only use them. Even if you sometimes go to the supermarket but also pick up some food when you go to target and sometimes get the stuff you like at the farmers market and buy cereal at the dollar general because you forgot and eat at the food truck for lunch when it's there on wednesday every meal you buy somewhere else you don't buy from the traditional super market. So they can lose a lot of money if they have the same amount of customers overall but each one is splitting their money a lot more ways a lot more often.
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PT6A posted:How do you gently caress up selling a product that absolutely every human who's ever lived needs to obtain on a regular basis? The demand for food isn't infinite. Despite America's gluttony we can still only consume so much food. America is just plain oversaturated in stores in general; food is no exception. Aside from that with stagnating wages and related shenanigans going on the majority of people are getting more frugal by pure necessity. Yeah, everybody needs to eat but most Americans are low enough on the income scale to be considered "poor." Winn-Dixie's parent company is also Bi-Lo which has been having trouble for a while. They also have a history of gobbling up smaller chains (they ate all of the small chains where I'm originally from, for example) and have filed for bankruptcy in the past. They're one of those lumbering behemoth companies that mostly exists to funnel money from not rich people to rich people at this point.
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suck my woke dick posted:This. People with cars will absolutely drive to the other side of town because of premium organic borderline-scam food or whatever, and they'll drive to get sick deals instead if they don't want to burn money. My local Safeway literally doesn't carry the good meat. I have to go to one of the quality Safeways in our neighboring towns to get sell by date USDA prime. Only if they're on my way home, though.
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I was at the mall today for the first time in a few months, and like usual, before leaving I went over to check out how the Sears looked. It's never good, but somehow it's managing to stay open. There were a few people standing around outside the entrance, and they told me someone was apparently trying to rob the place. what the heck, who would rob a sears ?? I just left and drove over to Trader Joe's for some cheap whiskey. Beachcomber posted:My local Safeway literally doesn't carry the good meat. I have to go to one of the quality Safeways in our neighboring towns to get sell by date USDA prime. My local Safeway carries a rotating supply of offal. I walked out with three cow hearts the last time I was there  e: before anybody asks why three, it was all they had left
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