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Referring to the breeding female bee/ant as Queen is just a misnomer from an earlier time though. It's not like she's shouting orders at the rest of them. The Borg queen was a lazy crutch the writers wanted because, admittedly, it's really hard to write for a giant hivemind. The was the first mistake, the second mistake was making the Borg queen literally the opposite of the borg is every possible way. She's petty and emotional and creepily sexualized.
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The Queen was cool in FC when there was some ambiguity as to whether she was literally a leader or more a personification of the collective built to interact with Data. I'm 90% confident they kept her around in Voyager just because they had the suit/makeup already and she looked cool.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:The Queen was cool in FC when there was some ambiguity as to whether she was literally a leader or more a personification of the collective built to interact with Data. She didn't personify the collective in any way though, she was just angry techno lady, that's the biggest complaint. Also there wasn't much ambiguity because Picard specially remembers she existed and was trying to jump his bones way back when he was assimilated.
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I’ve seen a lot of stupid, stupid, stupid things so far in the first two seasons of Voyager but, uh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uECG4E2fg-g&t=23s Wow
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According to the list The Doctor is the 3rd best Voyager character.
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Feb 18, 2018 05:24
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The best DS9 character is a self sealing stembolt.
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Feb 18, 2018 05:31
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nah it was vilix’pran
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My favorite character is the 3-shift rotation
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The General posted:The best DS9 character is a reverse ratcheting router. 
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ACRE & EQUAT posted:My favorite character is the 4-shift rotation
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Feb 18, 2018 05:54
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It's always tragic when they let a beloved character go
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Feb 18, 2018 06:06
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With the absorption of different cultures that will be adapted to serve the collective, etc. maybe early on in the Borg evolution they found themselves constantly absorbing species who despite being being converted to part of an identity-less shared, combined collective, the Borg could ironically not prevent every being constantly bringing the idea or need of an 'leader figure'. In time, the Borg create a 'queen', a 'Locutus' , a whatever not because its what it wants to do, but an overwhelming amount of the collective have collectively decided that it needs one.
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JediTalentAgent posted:With the absorption of different cultures that will be adapted to serve the collective, etc. maybe early on in the Borg evolution they found themselves constantly absorbing species who despite being being converted to part of an identity-less shared, combined collective, the Borg could ironically not prevent every being constantly bringing the idea or need of an 'leader figure'. "Sir, this is an ST:O writers' ball, would you like fries with that?"
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Borg Queen was a lazy idea. They were better when they were completely alien, impersonal, and unfathomable. As soon as they were fleshed out they lost what made them interesting. The next logical step would've been spreading themselves by an airborne pathogen but that probably wouldn't work well on screen.
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Automatic Slim posted:Borg Queen was a lazy idea. They were better when they were completely alien, impersonal, and unfathomable. As soon as they were fleshed out they lost what made them interesting. I think the next logical step would have been to play the federation's game and offer peace. The Federation is helpless to resist a good peace treaty. The borg stop trying to forcibly assimilate anyone inside federation territory, and in return the federation lets them set up voluntary recruiting centers on the promenade of a few high traffic space stations. Despite what the starfleet jockies think, the queen's sale's pitch to Data and Picard could convert a lot of people. Plenty of people would value immortality over individuality. The borg don't need territory or bodies, they have trillions of bodies and unfathomable amounts of territory. The Borg want whatever is unique about a species, and they can get that from assimilating old people who are afraid to die and be forgotten. Old people know lots of poo poo. Play it smart and the collective could eventually become the default "afterlife" for the non-religious billions. Efficiency? A few hundred drones working for 50 years could easily harvest everything interesting about the Federation with zero waste. Way more efficient than the forcible conversions that end up with millions dying rather than being assimilated, and taking a bunch of technology with them.
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Ghostlight posted:The very idea of the 'hive mind' comes from insects that have definitive queens and rigid hierarchies. They were not a hive. They were a collective. Fully realized gay space communism. Then they were retconned into a "hive." Arguably it's not a retcon, per se. It could be interpreted as an adaptation to the individuality introduced into the collective by Hue. Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3 fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Feb 18, 2018 |
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You could do an interesting story about how the queen came to be, I guess.
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As long as the queen has a jumpsuit/ big honkn' hooters
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The main problem with the borg is that once you've done a few they're the biggest threat to the Galaxy and their emotionless drones who'll gently caress you up/assimilate your culture then there's no where else to take them. So instead we get the borg Queen. She's okay.
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janeway should go back in time and become the borg queen
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We need a bunch of folks in the Federation that accuses Starfleet of war crimes for blowing up POWs and 'civilian' populations when they blow up a borg cube.
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Borg queen was kind of cool the first time, even though she wrecked up the alien weirdness of the Borg in a big way. It was only when she turned into Rita Repulsa that poo poo got BAD bad. although, didn't LocUtus already gently caress everything up in like their second appearance? But once again, that's cool character moments at the expense of some Stanisław Lem style thinky-type sci-fi.
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So you're saying is the Borg need a Lord Zedd. Strong agree.
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LegoPirateNinja posted:They were not a hive. They were a collective. Fully realized gay space communism. Then they were retconned into a "hive." Even space communism is more individuality than the Borg should have had. The whole idea was they were a singularity controlling a conglomerate organism. Rather than reduce that to a petty queen that could be cut off they should have explored what it meant to be an organism that was literally the sum of its parts - have it absorb some space pacifists or xenophobic isolationists and examine how that affects its behaviour. The Founders were a better exploration of a collective species.
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How would you all describe each Star Trek captain in one word?
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hot hot hot insane goober rear end in a top hat
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Kirk: America Picard: Federation Sisko: Sisko Janeway: cvdsbjivsbvsjv Archer: Lol Lorca: Prestigedrama
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Pike: Who? Kirk: Rapey Picard: British Sisko: BLM Janeway: Snooze Archer: Ham Lorca: Shamalam Saru: Entree
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Kitchner posted:Pike: Who? Janeway; Frau Diktator.
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Cocksure, analytical, passionate, Thatcher, Sam, grimdarkmcduff.
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Pike: The guy who won't take off his socks when he fucks. Kirk: Straight-leaning pansexual; would defend adult babies because "they're not hurting anyone." Picard: Only publicly interested in his flute; secretly has a crush on Q. Sisko: Likes to get loud. Janeway: Already doing Q on the sly. Archer: Actual cuckolding fetish. Lorca: Burnham Burnham: Georgiou
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Pike: The guy who won't take off his socks when he fucks. I feel that you have misunderstood the "in one word" part of the challenge
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Kitchner posted:I feel that you have misunderstood the "in one word" part of the challenge ok: Kirk: would Picard: would Sisko: would Janeway: would Archer: nah Lorca: would
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:ok: Archer seems like he is really into being pegged. I don't know if this changes your answer.
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Kitchner posted:Archer seems like he is really into being pegged. I don't know if this changes your answer. It... ...doesn't. I'm sorry. I hate Enterprise so goddamn much. Even the chance to gently caress it in the rear end while cackling, witchlike, doesn't make it worth the effort. I think Sisko is also into pegging, though. Most guys on DS9 seem like bottoms.
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See i imagine Sisko to be a total animal in bed. Picard would either be super vanilla or into some really hosed up poo poo, that's how the posh quiet ones go. Kirk would be the guy who boasts about how great in bed he is but he's a two pump chump really. Janeway is a dom for sure. Lorca probably just hires and then murderers hookers or something.
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Garak is a bottom only because his job demanded it. That's not his preference. Kai Winn is into some real freaky poo poo like most clerics of high office.
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Kirk lost his v card to Carol Marcus and has only ever made out with ladies since. Picard fucks in a very determined but respectful and business like manner, like a captain going down with the ship. Sisko is singing and laughing the whole time. Janeway walks in on someone jerking it and tells them they're doing it wrong Archer cries during and after, proposes marriage each time. Lorca likes it with the lights off Saru is into Vore
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Al Borland Corp. posted:
People with high power, high responsibility jobs tend to like to be dominated if not humiliated. Holo Irishman is a tough but loving master. quote:Archer cries during and after, proposes marriage each Always ending in what was intended as a inspiring but actually sanctimonious speech.
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