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I'm no scientist, but I'd say it could go something like: - earth warms, ice melts, shitload of mercury leaks into the oceans - sea creatures absorb this mercury - people catch these sea creatures and eat them, consuming high levels of mercury - people die of poisoning, babies are born with lots of problems (https://www.epa.gov/mercury/health-effects-exposures-mercury) On the positive side, it says this will be a problem during the next century, most sea life will probably die out this century so it wont really be a problem  I guess its just another thing to add to the 'oh crap' pile.
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Hey, remember how people were saying we're gonna need a bigger Y-axis?
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I've been going over the Shared Socioeconomic Pathway models and find them to be a really instructive narrative construction that deals with some of the limitations of the RCPs. They break down into the following modes: SSP1: low mitigation challenges, low adaptation challenges SSP2: medium mitigation challenges, medium adaptation challenges SSP3: high mitigation challenges, high adaptation challenges SSP4: low mitigation challenges, high adaptation challenges SSP5: high mitigation challenges, low adaptation challenges The following resource provides an excellent overview: The Shared Socioeconomic Pathways and their energy, land use, and greenhouse gas emissions implications: An overview Figure 5 is particularly instructive to compare SSPs to AR5 scenarios:  In particular, SSP3 results in regional rivalries that result in higher CH4 concentration due to land use and increased sulfate emissions. The radiative forcing values are also instructive. Using an ECS of 3, they yield a range of temperature outcomes loosely from ~3.5C - ~6.5C which is significantly higher than the low end of the AR5 scenarios.
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Feb 10, 2018 08:33
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Our university is having a seminar with Nils-Axel Mörner and how rising sea levels (and global warming) is a joke.  This talk is followed with a talk about how climate science is politicized, that talker is a no name old businessman who has founded their own society for promoting scepticism against CO2 emissions and their link to global warming.
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Zudgemud posted:Our university is having a seminar with Nils-Axel Mörner and how rising sea levels (and global warming) is a joke. Throw tomatoes.
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Feb 13, 2018 07:46
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Could you complain to the university? I don't think hosting people who disagree with proven science gels very well with the concept of academia. Or organise a competing event that'll attract people who might have otherwise gone. Or do the traditional student thing of making disruption until you get escorted out by campus security.
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Feb 18, 2018 10:03
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Rotten eggs.
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El Laucha posted:I'm no scientist, but I'd say it could go something like: This isn't a planet where you should want to have a baby anyway.
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white sauce posted:This isn't a planet where you should want to have a baby anyway.
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froglet posted:Could you complain to the university? I don't think hosting people who disagree with proven science gels very well with the concept of academia. EdithUpwards posted:Rotten eggs.
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Feb 18, 2018 13:56
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Grouchio posted:We could just cryo our embryos and have them gestate in test tubes at a more opportune moment in history when terraforming finally comes around. Pretty sure this happens in Horizon: Zero Dawn. It's cute how they think killer robots are more of a threat than runaway climate change.
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froglet posted:Pretty sure this happens in Horizon: Zero Dawn. It's cute how they think killer robots are more of a threat than runaway climate change.
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Feb 18, 2018 16:53
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They were climate changing robots
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Cingulate posted:Well, are the killer robots running on solar/nuclear? They ran on an ecologically friendly system where they digested plants and oxygen to self generate fuel. Which went wrong when the military made kill bots and the kill bots self replicated until they had consumed 100% of the plants and oxygen that existed on earth, and science had to leave some other robots for long after everyone was dead to jumpstart a robot ecology of robot animals and plants in some far distant future that could maybe eventually be repopulated.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:They ran on an ecologically friendly system where they digested plants and oxygen to self generate fuel. Which went wrong when the military made kill bots and the kill bots self replicated until they had consumed 100% of the plants and oxygen that existed on earth, and science had to leave some other robots for long after everyone was dead to jumpstart a robot ecology of robot animals and plants in some far distant future that could maybe eventually be repopulated.
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Feb 18, 2018 18:52
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Zudgemud posted:Our university is having a seminar with Nils-Axel Mörner and how rising sea levels (and global warming) is a joke. We have a geologist in our school that semi regularly gives seminars about why climate change isn't a thing, to literally a room full of climate change scientists. Its been discussed ad nauseum but the general consensus is that we should not censor science or people trying/pretending to do science. He also writes articles in newspapers and such, its a problem we just don't have a solution to.
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Feb 19, 2018 07:05
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BattleMoose posted:We have a geologist in our school that semi regularly gives seminars about why climate change isn't a thing, to literally a room full of climate change scientists. How about you give him a big loving swirlie. Just put his head way down in the toilet.
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Feb 19, 2018 07:11
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froglet posted:Pretty sure this happens in Horizon: Zero Dawn. It's cute how they think killer robots are more of a threat than runaway climate change. the reason the killbot company got so rich and influential in the first place is because of the CEO's efforts to save people after climate change gets so bad all the pacific islands sink into the sea (including new zealand and singapore) and over a billion people die then he realized making killbots would be more profitable lol
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Feb 19, 2018 08:00
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BattleMoose posted:We have a geologist in our school that semi regularly gives seminars about why climate change isn't a thing, to literally a room full of climate change scientists. Why are climate change scientists wasting their time with him then? I agree with the whole censorship bit, but really why even bother showing up to something that is almost certainly baseless. Let him speak to an empty room or the one or two other crackpots. If he has anything meaningful to add it would make a peer reviewed journal anyway.
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Feb 19, 2018 08:46
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unlawfulsoup posted:Why are climate change scientists wasting their time with him then? I agree with the whole censorship bit, but really why even bother showing up to something that is almost certainly baseless. Let him speak to an empty room or the one or two other crackpots. If he has anything meaningful to add it would make a peer reviewed journal anyway. This is exactly my attitude , let him speak to an empty room. But there are other geologists there too, might be something about needing to challenge his ideas.
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Feb 19, 2018 09:01
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Tbf it sounds perfectly healthy in such a setting and context to let him speak, and given one has time, hear him out. Unfortunate that he takes the stuff to the papers, but that is a separate issue entirely, as the one doesn't really support the other.
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BattleMoose posted:This is exactly my attitude , let him speak to an empty room. But there are other geologists there too, might be something about needing to challenge his ideas.  “See? I’m part of the debate!”
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Feb 19, 2018 11:20
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unlawfulsoup posted:Why are climate change scientists wasting their time with him then? I agree with the whole censorship bit, but really why even bother showing up to something that is almost certainly baseless. Let him speak to an empty room or the one or two other crackpots. If he has anything meaningful to add it would make a peer reviewed journal anyway. Could be they think it's better to let the village idiot blather on than nobody show up and he finds himself audience of people less equipped to know he's full of poo poo?
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BattleMoose posted:We have a geologist in our school that semi regularly gives seminars about why climate change isn't a thing, to literally a room full of climate change scientists. I agree they shouldn't be silenced, I'll let their lovely science stand for itself. Me and my colleagues basically ignored the seminar (which was last thursday) and according to the registration list only 25 registered for attendance so at least the seminar was ill attended in general. For added hilarity the seminar was arranged by the local branch of the national chemistry society. This local branch also has a Twitter account that in between the occasional chemistry related tweet is full of anti immigration tweets, pro Russia and anti climate change stuff. Basically the local branch is run by right-wing turds that used the national chemistry society as a platform for spreading dumb opinions and lovely science. When we alerted the chemistry society about this they thanked us for the information but said they can't do much about it except implementing guidelines for it (something they lacked!) since the local branches are so autonomous that only local members can vote the leadership out (and the vast amount of members give no poo poo about voting for these things since they are only members to get rebates to conferences and an industry relevant newspaper).
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BattleMoose posted:We have a geologist in our school that semi regularly gives seminars about why climate change isn't a thing, to literally a room full of climate change scientists. I'm surprised everyone is showing up; SOP for crackpots where I am is to spend time with your students or family instead. It's not like you aren't busy
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EdithUpwards posted:Rotten eggs. In the future the weather will report on localized atmospheric hydrogen sulfide levels.
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Cingulate posted:Whatever you do, don't do the thing where you cause a scandal, martyr them, make them look like the reasonable party, and give them tons of free publicity. Just one egg under their hood.
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Any tips on what to do about the depression reading about this topic causes? I don't think I'd kill myself (although that would be a net gain for the climate), but it's hard to go through the motions knowing we're all going to die because of this and it's all our fault.
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First identify whether you're depressed for what you foresee to be your personal experiences with climate change, like AceOfFlames, or if you're depressed at the thought that the far future won't be a Star Trek sci-fi utopia, like Owlofcreamcheese. Second, share why you think things will be so bad, and perhaps the thread can help you clarify misconceptions if you have any. Lastly, if that didn't work, get therapy.
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froglet posted:Any tips on what to do about the depression reading about this topic causes? I don't think I'd kill myself (although that would be a net gain for the climate), but it's hard to go through the motions knowing we're all going to die because of this and it's all our fault. I personally put this energy towards doing something productive, I went back to school with the intent to get off this doomed rear end continent and try to get to New Zealand before it's too late. If you don't have kids it's pretty easy to accept that the future is going to be bad, but if you do have kids then I don't really have much helpful advice to give.
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If you have kids the best thing you can do for them is get rich and failing that make sure to teach them valuable life skills for dealing with situations of economic uncertainty, civil unrest, and basic services interruptions plus possible lack of food security. Also stop having more kids.
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Conspiratiorist posted:First identify whether you're depressed for what you foresee to be your personal experiences with climate change, like AceOfFlames, or if you're depressed at the thought that the far future won't be a Star Trek sci-fi utopia, like Owlofcreamcheese. The thought of everyone suffocating in an anoxic hellplane by the end of the century is genuinely frightening to me. I think it's a lack of control thing and know that what I do doesn't really matter. I can cycle to work and eat vegetarian and vote Green as much as I like but my actions mean nothing since I'm privileged enough to live in a western country but not enough to have any real power to enact change. I still stand up outside election booths and hand out how to vote Green cards and do all that thippy dippy love the environment stuff, but... It's not enough and we're all going to die.
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froglet posted:I still stand up outside election booths and hand out how to vote Green cards and do all that thippy dippy love the environment stuff, Why? You're prolonging your own acceptance of what's happened. It's time to enjoy the time we have left, vote for the least horrible candidate and appreciate your position as one of the few people who got to experience some pretty fuckin ostentatious wealth and luxury before the foundation gave out and it all fell apart. You can go down the block and get a giant-rear end pizza and bucket of ice cream any time you want, you can read any book or watch any movie or play any game ever created, you can step on a plane and be on the other side of the world in like half day. It doesn't matter that none of those things are going to be available a hundred years from now, what matters is that you enjoy what you've got while it's here, otherwise what's the point of it existing in the first place? It's not on you or me or anyone else reading this thread to flagellate ourselves over a future that didn't turn out how we wanted. Things went bad, nobody gave enough of a poo poo to stop it, and the people in charge got away with it. Big deal. Don't cry for the Earth, it's already dead.
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froglet posted:The thought of everyone suffocating in an anoxic hellplane by the end of the century is genuinely frightening to me. Everyone on the planet is gonna die, often suffering and impoverished, climate change or not, hate to break it to you.
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I refuse to believe that there is no chance that humanity will be able to adapt in differing degrees to climate change or develop new technologies that could aid or alleviate the worst impacts of climate change this century. We must have faith in our scientists to succeed in this endeavor, and have faith that their methods can catch on and make a difference.
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ChairMaster posted:Why? You're prolonging your own acceptance of what's happened. It's time to enjoy the time we have left, vote for the least horrible candidate and appreciate your position as one of the few people who got to experience some pretty fuckin ostentatious wealth and luxury before the foundation gave out and it all fell apart. You can go down the block and get a giant-rear end pizza and bucket of ice cream any time you want, you can read any book or watch any movie or play any game ever created, you can step on a plane and be on the other side of the world in like half day. It doesn't matter that none of those things are going to be available a hundred years from now, what matters is that you enjoy what you've got while it's here, otherwise what's the point of it existing in the first place? The earth isn't dead, humanity is. Pretty big distinction imo
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Grouchio posted:I refuse to believe that there is no chance that humanity will be able to adapt in differing degrees to climate change or develop new technologies that could aid or alleviate the worst impacts of climate change this century. We must have faith in our scientists to succeed in this endeavor, and have faith that their methods can catch on and make a difference. Hey man, we'd all be pretty happy if a scientist came up with a breakthrough that saved our species, but the chances of it happening are not only vanishingly small at this point, but the real result of it is no difference from someone who's convinced that God is going to descend from his throne upon high and save us all from ourselves. I mean that'd be great, but I'm not really counting on it. Why pretend like it's a possibility? That's just added anxiety in anticipation of the event that makes you realize that your hopes didn't come true. Using science as a substitute for religion isn't necessarily wrong I guess, if that's what brings you peace, but people who can believe that they're going to live forever in an existence of endless happiness and perfection aren't really the ones who need help dealing with the reality of climate change.
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mandatory lesbian posted:The earth isn't dead, humanity is. Pretty big distinction imo That's true, but if there's no conscious life around to observe it then does it really count? Who cares, I guess.
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ChairMaster posted:That's true, but if there's no conscious life around to observe it then does it really count? Who cares, I guess. We'll not have spread our goddamn diseased society among the stars. The Fermi paradox may actually be a feature, not a bug.
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ChairMaster posted:That's true, but if there's no conscious life around to observe it then does it really count? Who cares, I guess. Plenty of non human animals are conscious including magpies.
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