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I feel like Fuji shot themselves in the foot by being so good about firmware. I’m almost certain a lot of the h1’s upgrades will hit the xt2 soon enough, so it’s not really worth the side grade. Maybe, when the price drops enough it’ll be worth it.
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nexxai posted:According to https://www.43rumors.com/can-get-new-e-m1ii-firmware-now/ there's a new firmware for the E-M1 Mk2 that's available early. quote:Possible to set a maximum of 35 pre-shutter frames for Pro Capture shooting. Whoa, nice
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SMERSH Mouth posted:One thing in that list (no headphone jack in camera) is kind of a wash since there is one in the optional grip. And if you're "serious" about doing video with an X-H1, you're going to need the grip anyway to enable longer recording times. The XH1 is bigger in part because of the increased heat sink, at least some reports say.
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I think people already invested in Fuji (stills folks) but want to experiment or already know they want more video dabbling is the target market, but I can't see a video person jumping ship for the marginal extra utility it provides. Not having a fully articulating LCD is a mistake too; there's a reason why literally every camcorder ever has one. You can frame yourself with slight but minimal fuss for a still without one, but video means moving around while recording and it's pretty hard to tell the places where hands clip or are still on screen for gesturing or whatever, whether interesting things are still in frame since you or it moved relative to the camera, etc..
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alarumklok posted:I think people already invested in Fuji (stills folks) but want to experiment or already know they want more video dabbling is the target market, but I can't see a video person jumping ship for the marginal extra utility it provides. I'm curious if the Bluetooth versus WiFi is going to make the phone app easy enough to disregard the screen articulation moot.
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I know camera companies move pretty slowly with the technological times, and this is kind of a retrograde idea on top, but here me out. Bring back internal memory. Not a lot, 8 gigs maybe. Just one tiny chip worth of integrated memory is all. And now, with integrated WiFi that cameras have, allow connection to local WiFi networks so you can upload to cloud storage. Flickr, OneDrive, your own NAS, whatever. Upload speed might slow depending on the network. Are you going to use it to send 64 gigs of 4k movies through Starbucks WiFi to your NAS? No, that would be silly. But a day's worth of snaps, overnight at your hotel? Man that would be nice. tl;dr: I'm on vacation and I packed my camera without a SD card installed FML. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Finger Prince posted:I know camera companies move pretty slowly with the technological times, and this is kind of a retrograde idea on top, but here me out. Bring back internal memory. Not a lot, 8 gigs maybe. Just one tiny chip worth of integrated memory is all. And now, with integrated WiFi that cameras have, allow connection to local WiFi networks so you can upload to cloud storage. Flickr, OneDrive, your own NAS, whatever. Upload speed might slow depending on the network. Are you going to use it to send 64 gigs of 4k movies through Starbucks WiFi to your NAS? No, that would be silly. But a day's worth of snaps, overnight at your hotel? Man that would be nice. How about no. Mixing internal memory and removable storage is super confusing to average users. Ask me how many point and shoots show up to Goodwill with pictures of kids in the bath or a bunch of dicks. All because the user thought taking the SD card out was enough.
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How do you know many point and shoots show up to Goodwill with pictures of kids in the bath or a bunch of dicks?
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I'm curious how many of those older camera you get arrive with a roll still in.
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8th-snype posted:How about no. Mixing internal memory and removable storage is super confusing to average users. Ask me how many point and shoots show up to Goodwill with pictures of kids in the bath or a bunch of dicks. All because the user thought taking the SD card out was enough. I'll promise to be good. Might be the only way anyone else sees my boring vacation pics!
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Kenny Logins posted:How do you know many point and shoots show up to Goodwill with pictures of kids in the bath or a bunch of dicks? I'm the dude who sorts, tests, and wipes them (in my area at least). We get an absolute ton of consumer cameras, internal memory on point and shoots is common to every brand except Canon. Sauer posted:I'm curious how many of those older camera you get arrive with a roll still in. I throw out 3-4 rolls of film a day on a heavy 35mm day. Our data policy is very strict, no customer data is supposed to leave our shop, that includes still and motion picture film.
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I once got a camera back from repair with an SD card in it from another customer (supposedly) with some homegrown on it.
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underage at the vape shop posted:is it a regular thing that people leave their nudes on their cameras? Nudes, pictures of food, kids, dead animals, and all kinds of other things. So far I haven't seen any actual crimes or anything but I only ever look at the first photo before formatting (unless the first photo is a cute puppy or something then I'm gonna look at all of them).
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I got a camera on ebay once with a memory card it it with 8–10 really obvious provocative towel/bathroom shots of a lady, then a 200-picture gap in the file numbering, then some normal beach vacation shots. The only thing I could figure was the girl had indulged his request then went back and deleted them one at a time after he fell asleep or something.
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Huxley posted:I got a camera on ebay once with a memory card it it with 8–10 really obvious provocative towel/bathroom shots of a lady, then a 200-picture gap in the file numbering, then some normal beach vacation shots. Your imagined version is alot hotter.
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8th-snype posted:Nudes, pictures of food, kids, dead animals, and all kinds of other things. So far I haven't seen any actual crimes or anything but I only ever look at the first photo before formatting (unless the first photo is a cute puppy or something then I'm gonna look at all of them). out of interest, if you saw a crime would you be obligated to report it?
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underage at the vape shop posted:out of interest, if you saw a crime would you be obligated to report it? I would not be legally obligated by law as far as I know but we have a policy in place for giving obvious evidence of criminal activity to our LP who then get it to the police. Having been a legally mandated reporter for abuse in my former career does make me feel morally obligated to report certain things should I ever come across them. Like if I found torture porn or photos of elder/child abuse I'd do everything in my power to make sure it was turned over to an investigator. Luckily that kind of thing has never happened in my shop, to my knowledge.
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I know I probably don't fit the exact target markets but for me the whole advantage of mirrorless systems is the size if/when I upgrade my xpro1 it will be for something more along the lines of the xe3. Video is still just a gimmick on these cameras for me and if I do ever get into video I'll just pick up something that is dedicated to it instead (or am I missing something and this is not an option anymore).
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Feb 22, 2018 04:56
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Video is definitely not a gimmick, especially mirrorless cameras. While all Sony and Panasonics do video well, the Sony 6xxx, a7s and Panasonic gh series are dedicated to video and the best video you can get before buying some 10k RED camera. Fuji has been catching up to this scene but they're now confident enough to make native x-mount cine lenses.
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I still think XH1 should be call a XT3. Without the grip the XH1 is basically a soup up XT2 with IBIS. And you know XT3 is going to get IBIS. They should just put all the video features in the grip and sell it for $500. The video guys will justify it.
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But the XT3 will be a different camera, in that doesn't upset XT2 by having out on a bit of weight. Based on dpreviews interview with the Fuji engineer, the XT3 will only get IBIS if they can reduce the weight impact.
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XT2 is already heavier than XT1. XT3 has to gain weight for the IBIS. Like, who is going to say no to the IBIS?
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i have a feeling it will be a model differentiator because why have an xh1 and xt3 if the only difference is what? f log?
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Well 1) they might have thought that people would have been pissed to have an x-t3 so soon after the 2. People, myself included, choose Fuji over Sony because they don’t like camera bodies being refreshed often and having time to wait for larger upgrades. 2) it seems like a different user that they are targeting with the x-h1 and although IBIS would be nice I’d rather have lighter weight than IBIS. It doesn’t seem like a big difference but it is enough for me that I’d rather stick with the x-t2 and if they just merged the t and h bodies together then I think some people wouldn’t be happy about it.
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They should have bitten the bullet and made the X-H form factor one with an inbuilt grip a la 1DX or D5.
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I'm looking at how best to abuse my upcoming tax refund. I have an Olympus OM-D E-M10 Mark II purchased last year for amateur-level learning photography. How useful and fun is the Rokinon 12mm f/2.0 wide-angle for the roughly $300 it goes for? I currently have the kit 14-42 lens, I also have the Olympus M.Zuikio 40-150, and a Panasonic 25mm/F 1.7 prime. Any good places in the US to look for deals on it?
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I got a used one on Reddit for $240 shipped, I see them fairly often on Fred Miranda for $220-240 shipped.
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What are you looking to do with the 12? If Astro look for samples as not all are created equal
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Aargh posted:Video is still just a gimmick on these cameras for me and if I do ever get into video I'll just pick up something that is dedicated to it instead (or am I missing something and this is not an option anymore). MeruFM posted:Video is definitely not a gimmick, especially mirrorless cameras. While all Sony and Panasonics do video well, the Sony 6xxx, a7s and Panasonic gh series are dedicated to video and the best video you can get before buying some 10k RED camera. Fuji has been catching up to this scene but they're now confident enough to make native x-mount cine lenses. Yeah, there's a weird gap in the market, where only really beastly dedicated cine cameras have notably better output than the more video-centric mirrorless joints. There are other considerations of course, like how easy it is to set up and integrate with other gear, but outside of certain specific professional settings, it's getting hard to justify. I would like to have the automatic variable ND filter from the FS5 in every camera, though. Being able to set your aperture and shutter speed and sensitivity and just let the ND auto expose? That seems awesome. Also, someday I'll use a camera with global shutter. 
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rio posted:Well 1) they might have thought that people would have been pissed to have an x-t3 so soon after the 2. People, myself included, choose Fuji over Sony because they don’t like camera bodies being refreshed often and having time to wait for larger upgrades. 2) it seems like a different user that they are targeting with the x-h1 and although IBIS would be nice I’d rather have lighter weight than IBIS. It doesn’t seem like a big difference but it is enough for me that I’d rather stick with the x-t2 and if they just merged the t and h bodies together then I think some people wouldn’t be happy about it. If they merge the T and H lines together or had made the X-H1 the X-T3, I'd probably get over my hangups and get a Pro3/4/5 the next time I need to upgrade. The X-T2 is already on the "slightly heftier than I'd like" end of the acceptable weight and size spectrum, so I'm glad they spun the bulkier IBIS and top panel into it's own line, because I have literally zero interest in any of the new features besides Eterna. Turning body + tiny prime like the 35/2 into a much weightier and bulkier prospect would kill a lot of interest from street photographers and other portability weirdos.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:What are you looking to do with the 12? If Astro look for samples as not all are created equal Astrophotography will be one option, as well as landscapes, weird architecture, and whatever else captures the eye. In your opinion, other than inconsistencies with individual samples, is it worth the price of admission?
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I only use 12mm for wide angle dog shots with the 12-40 but I was more referencing the PL 12 v Rokinon 12mm. I believe some of the coatings or how they're built are better for stars, with the PL being top of class for astro. If you just want the FL the Rokinon will be the cheapest especially if you don't want to get the 12-40, 12-35, or 12-60 as a kit upgrade.
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Maybe also consider the PL 15mm 1.7, if you can accept the 30mm eqv focal range. It can be had used for $400-$450
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Anyone that thinks Fuji will consolidate lines after they very specifically differentiated them via hardware is nuts. There is some overlap in XT and XH userbase but not enough to kill one or the other. God bless Instax for making enough money that Fuji doesn't need to do more than break even on cameras.
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I would like IBIS for the X-T series, but I would rather not at the price of more weight. I think the form factor of the X-Tx is perfect for me (which is why I got the X-T1 over the X-T10). Although the last camera I used was a Canon 550D which is just around 50g heavier than the X-T2. Do bodies generally get heavier with later iterations?
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Schneider Heim posted:Do bodies generally get heavier with later iterations? Not necessarily. I mean the X-T20 is identical to the X-T2 in terms of sensor and AF hardware. The primary difference is that the X-T2 has an EVF and joystick, neither of which account for the ~30% weight and size savings the X-T20 has over the X-T2. Consider even that the X-T20 has a fancier touch screen and a built-in flash. If it didn’t have those features it would probably be almost half the weight of the X-T2.
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bobfather posted:Not necessarily. I mean the X-T20 is identical to the X-T2 in terms of sensor and AF hardware. The primary difference is that the X-T2 has an EVF and joystick, neither of which account for the ~30% weight and size savings the X-T20 has over the X-T2. Consider even that the X-T20 has a fancier touch screen and a built-in flash. If it didn’t have those features it would probably be almost half the weight of the X-T2. I was asking more about bodies in the same class--like X-T1, X-T2, and the future X-T3. I just looked up the weight of my old 550D and its latest iteration, the 800D, and they weigh almost the same. But then again that's an entry-level line without much feature innovation. A quick check at the 5D series, the weight jumped up with the Mk III, but decreased with the Mk IV (though it's still heavier than the Mk I and II).
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Fuji moved XT line to more professional tier with dual card slot and stuff so TX2 became heavier and XH1 got another 30% weight jump from XT2. Canon never give a crap about the look of their bodies since the AE-1 so all their plastic slippers weight the same.
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8th-snype posted:Anyone that thinks Fuji will consolidate lines after they very specifically differentiated them via hardware is nuts. There is some overlap in XT and XH userbase but not enough to kill one or the other. God bless Instax for making enough money that Fuji doesn't need to do more than break even on cameras. Wow, Instax makes them that much money? I’ve seen a few scattered out and about but not many. Is it really big overseas?
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