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someon'es never heard of the american civil war
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Anything can happen, this is the donald trump timeline, I would have thought people would stop saying things are impossible. The ability to vilonetly overthrow the us govt is also the basis of the 2nd amendment, not hunting, not defense from foreign invaders. Not likely now, if the economy tanks and unemp. passes 50% though...
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Feb 22, 2018 16:40
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Anything can happen, this is the donald trump timeline, I would have thought people would stop saying things are impossible. I think this is one of those things that just cannot and will not happen any time soon no matter what "timeline" we're in. The only way it could work is a surprise nuclear attack on all our major cities and hope that distracts the military enough to sneak an invasion fleet in. But even if they could pull that off, we'd just launch our nukes back and simultaneously destroy their fleet with our overwhelmingly superior navy, no matter who it was.
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Feb 22, 2018 17:24
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Two Feet From Bread posted:^^^^^ All of those national resources are either imported from other countries or easily available in a less developed country Why would they invade the US rather than get it from someone else
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Feb 22, 2018 17:57
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Avalanche posted:The country is too loving big and has too many massive geographical strongholds to be swiftly defeated with the exception of nuclear hellfire. Good luck at taking California which is the size of multiple countries and full of forest about as thick as Vietnam jungles the more east you go. Nothing is going to get over the Sierra Nevada. Then you got the Rockies, a fuckton of other mountain ranges, and some pretty brutal winter weather conditions in the Northeast. Generals and military strategists always focus on defending against conventional military attacks but a biological attack could render all those defenses as useless. A biological attack could be severe enough to destabilize nearly all defenses leaving us vulnerable to even a moderate invasion force of a half million. Aggressive biological vectors can spread across the country within a week and if they are strong enough could easily be like a Twelve Monkeys scenario. As long as the enemy was innoculated they could take over at will.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:39
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Neutrino posted:Generals and military strategists always focus on defending against conventional military attacks but a biological attack could render all those defenses as useless. A biological attack could be severe enough to destabilize nearly all defenses leaving us vulnerable to even a moderate invasion force of a half million. Aggressive biological vectors can spread across the country within a week and if they are strong enough could easily be like a Twelve Monkeys scenario. As long as the enemy was innoculated they could take over at will. Until the surviving leadership nuked them and the rest of us straight to hell.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:49
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I was reading an article by a naval officer writing in a naval magazine about implausible and far-flung but technically feasible ways an enemy could strike that'd take them by surprise. Well, one scenario he raised was go-fast boats filled with terrorists approaching a carrier at night while it's sailing at a low readiness state with the elevator doors lowered (apparently common), which would give them a way to board it and hit the internal hangar decks with explosives. Don't carriers run with a full escort of other, faster and well-armed boats? Also, I recall that Japan used to bomb land targets and sink ships regularly off the coast of Cali. In fact, one instance was an ocean liner that was sunk about 30 minutes from where I live, off the coast of central Cal. According to the accounts of the survivors, they took a lifeboat to shore and actually took some machine gun fire from the sub when it surfaced. There's also a sunken Japanese mini-sub at the port opening of another town close to me. Fact is, if a country had some capability to get subs close to ports and coastlines they could get a small contingent of soldiers inland pretty quick. Get enough of those, and keep them coordinated enough and you'd have a legitimate problem on your hands. I don't think Billy Bob and his bump stock AR-15 starter pack is gonna do much against a subversive military force, though.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:50
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Rad-daddio posted:Fact is, if a country had some capability to get subs close to ports and coastlines they could get a small contingent of soldiers inland pretty quick. Get enough of those, and keep them coordinated enough and you'd have a legitimate problem on your hands. Even if they could get a foothold, once the national guard and whatever military in the area form a line to hold them back, it would be over. They would be bombed (conventional or otherwise) to death as soon as all citizens were cleared from the area.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:54
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Even if they could get a foothold, once the national guard and whatever military in the area form a line to hold them back, it would be over. They would be bombed (conventional or otherwise) to death as soon as all citizens were cleared from the area. Or they just bomb the citizens and claim they were killed by the invaders and we bulldoze the planet in retaliation.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:57
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Split Pea Superman posted:The majority of people that die in a war are the people without weapons if you really think about it. And the ones too dumb to evac when bad stuff happened in the first place.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:58
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SammichBacon posted:And the ones too poor to evac when bad stuff happened in the first place. ftfy
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Feb 22, 2018 19:04
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Logistically it's not possible, a large civil war or lots of nukes would be needed first and then I don't think there would even be a good reason to send ground troops, the benefit would never justify the cost. Japan never came close to a ground invasion and they were relying on us giving up before that would become necessary, the same strategy would apply to a modern war since it's just a terrible idea. Hth
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Feb 22, 2018 19:05
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SammichBacon posted:And the ones too dumb to evac when bad stuff happened in the first place. Only 36% of Americans have passports
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Feb 22, 2018 19:06
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All of these scenarios like "well first you disable the US with EMP or a biological attack or..." have the issue that once you do that the US will nuke you (especially if you're lobbing nukes at them in the case of an EMP attack) and then you nuke them back and then neither side is in any shape to wage a war.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:10
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Never mind that biological weapons aren't nearly that effective.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:13
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Rad-daddio posted:Don't carriers run with a full escort of other, faster and well-armed boats?
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Feb 22, 2018 19:20
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Rad-daddio posted:Don't carriers run with a full escort of other, faster and well-armed boats? The Japanese subs only shelled the US twice, and did basically zero damage. They did sink 10 or so ships, but as far as I can tell the only source for sunken Japanese midget subs in California is one guy who may or may not be a crazy person.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:21
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FogHelmut posted:Or they just bomb the citizens and claim they were killed by the invaders and we bulldoze the planet in retaliation. I don't know, I think if we had to bomb our own citizens to fend off an invasion people would eventually understand it if they were upfront about it. You have to show the enemy that you're willing to keep them out at all costs.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:22
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Hustlin Floh posted:The Japanese subs only shelled the US twice, and did basically zero damage. They did sink 10 or so ships, but as far as I can tell the only source for sunken Japanese midget subs in California is one guy who may or may not be a crazy person. Ah, you're right. I always heard the mini sub thing since the locals are always on about it. I heard a story from a local old timer about a Japanese guy who lived in my town during the late 30's-early 40's. He was a wood cutter, and he had a little truck that he'd sell fire wood out of. The town I live in is about 20 or so miles from the coastline, and from what the old dude said, this guy was apparently a spy with the Imperial Navy and he was using his job as a cover to scout for routes inland from the coast. I was never able to verify his story, but it was cool to hear it nonetheless.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:37
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Tricky D posted:Never mind that biological weapons aren't nearly that effective. They have never been tried on that large of a scale but there always is a first time. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4780722/anthrax-symptoms-warfare-prince-harry-meghan-markle/
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Feb 22, 2018 19:40
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Yes and no. In conclusion, America is a land of contrasts.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:40
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Neutrino posted:They have never been tried on that large of a scale but there always is a first time. Except anthrax is something that US service members already get vaccinated for.
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Feb 22, 2018 19:42
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anglerfish posted:My husband and I were watching CNN as they're getting ready for the students vs NRA lady debate. I said there's no reason for a private citizen to own an AR-15. He starts listing "semi-legitimate reasons" for people to own a gun. Such as: an invasion by a foreign enemy. The rest of the conversation went roughly like this: your husband is a loving retard. no one in the world has the force projection capabilities to reach out and touch the united states with anything short of a nuclear weapon. tell him he is dumb and should feel bad and should keep his mouth shut about things he doesn't know about
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Feb 22, 2018 19:55
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(Me) That's literally impossible
(Husband) The impossible can happen! Normandy was supposed to be impossible and the allies pushed Germany back.
Not in the modern era!!! There will never be a land war in the US. I will die on this hill.
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The future civil war will be competing extremist groups organizing over social media like terrorist cells. You can already see it happening, the infancy of it. The future sucks. Waroduce posted:your husband is a loving retard. no one in the world has the force projection capabilities to reach out and touch the united states with anything short of a nuclear weapon. tell him he is dumb and should feel bad and should keep his mouth shut about things he doesn't know about If you want a quick visual representation to make your point, use Aircraft Carriers. 1) Start with a floating city carrying an entire squad of planes that we have 2) Move to the dozen or so planes jammed onto a too small carrier that the UK has 3) Finally move to what everyone else has, like the 1-3 6-plane jokes Russia has 4) End with the 3rd world navy, aka pirates with barely floating fishing boats Should put things into perspective Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 19:57
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Blazing Ownager posted:The future civil war will be competing extremist groups organizing over social media like terrorist cells. If you're organizing over social media you've already hosed up unless it's in an uncrackable code.
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Feb 22, 2018 20:00
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yeah I eat rear end posted:If you're organizing over social media you've already hosed up unless it's in an uncrackable code. Oh they won't be doing code over it, I just mean that's how they'll mass up, then it'll go from there. It happens all the time in foreign countries, while we all salute how the internet brings democracy and power to the people. Once it starts happening here, that might be different.
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Feb 22, 2018 20:01
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Blazing Ownager posted:Oh they won't be doing code over it, I just mean that's how they'll mass up, then it'll go from there. If the NSA et al don't crush any domestic revolution organized over social media before it starts they aren't very good at their jobs. They probably just kick back and watch when it happens in other countries but if people tried it here they'd get a not so friendly knock on the door pretty soon from the feds.
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Feb 22, 2018 20:08
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this is like the operation sealion debate ityol 2018 lol at the amount of dumbass low information posters in this thread
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Feb 22, 2018 20:16
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Waroduce posted:your husband is a loving retard. no one in the world has the force projection capabilities to reach out and touch the united states with anything short of a nuclear weapon. tell him he is dumb and should feel bad and should keep his mouth shut about things he doesn't know about  Read the last line of the thing that you quoted.
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Feb 22, 2018 20:25
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Outside of a second civil war? No.
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Feb 22, 2018 20:36
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I’ll join whatever side pays in bitcoins
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Feb 22, 2018 20:37
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EvilJoven posted:Being a neighbor to America means my country is suffering from your toxic culture. Quite often the shittiest people I encounter spout the same rhetoric heard south of the border, right down to screaming 'thats unconstitutional!' when being told to stop being an rear end, despite the fact that we don't even have a constitution. An ocean cannot stop our weaponized toxic pop culture. DehumanIze yourself and face to capitalism
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Feb 22, 2018 21:07
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I don't see a WWII style conventional land war happening between economic/technological peers again. Some conventional ground fighting would happen in a conflict sure but artillery/mortars/air strikes lead to missile/missile/missile/missile NUKES GLASS. Cockroaches survivors with pointed sticks, fighting over cockroaches
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Feb 22, 2018 21:07
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Neutrino posted:The US no longer has any well regulated militias like it had in the 1800's. Even if you look at the fucks that took over the Malheur refuge, a small squad of trained troops would squash them into crying pulps of flesh. I mean yeah but the scary thing wasn't Malheur, it was the original standoff at the Bundy ranch. They had elevated firing positions and were able to drive off Federal agents. The smarter members of the group hosed off early at Malheur, which was why it was funny to watch. The last holdouts were the idiots that didn't know any better. You don't hear about the competent maniacs out there because they are good enough to do what they do without attracting attention. There's a ton of them, too, enough that it looks ugly on the news, anyway, and that's generally all it takes for a wider civil conflict to spread.
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Feb 22, 2018 21:15
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VikingSkull posted:I mean yeah but the scary thing wasn't Malheur, it was the original standoff at the Bundy ranch. They had elevated firing positions and were able to drive off Federal agents. The smarter members of the group hosed off early at Malheur, which was why it was funny to watch. The last holdouts were the idiots that didn't know any better. Wacoslashfic.txt
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Feb 22, 2018 21:27
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Simple, Russia does the nukin, China does the invadin. The Russians are good at rolling with the punches, and China has an army as big as the entire US population. Next question? 
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Feb 22, 2018 21:47
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VikingSkull posted:I mean yeah but the scary thing wasn't Malheur, it was the original standoff at the Bundy ranch. They had elevated firing positions and were able to drive off Federal agents. The smarter members of the group hosed off early at Malheur, which was why it was funny to watch. Federal agents are not trained troops. They just have the same equipment as trained troops but otherwise are like Keystone Cops. Remember that video of the ATF agents entering the second floor at Waco? Where they had a shoot-out against themselves and managed to kill four agents without the help of Branch Davidians?
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Feb 22, 2018 21:53
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Neutrino posted:Federal agents are not trained troops. They just have the same equipment as trained troops but otherwise are like Keystone Cops. Remember that video of the ATF agents entering the second floor at Waco? Where they had a shoot-out against themselves and managed to kill four agents without the help of Branch Davidians? Yes it was extremely lol. The whole leadup too was like this retarded game of telephone where they keep accidentally misremembering or misinterpreting things to make them look more violent and crazy until they end up actually believing it Less lol is when they end up committing cold blooded murder and then ineptly try to cover it up.
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Feb 22, 2018 21:58
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Just lollin at all these *super simple* plans that involve, at a minimum, 10's of thousands of people acting in concert, and also secrecy. The real reason the US is impossible to invade is because it's impossible to garrison. Not only do you need to have a force large enough to hold off the actual military, but you also need to be able to have a bunch of smaller forces to hold the territory. Invading a port might be doable, but good luck with the next step which involves your frontline being 100's of miles a way from that port, a 1,000 miles longer, and also to supply it you have to get convoys through extremely unwilling territory. E: for reference the US often fails to defeat insurgencies in countries that have less than 30% of it's population Split Pea Superman fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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OXBALLS DOT COM posted:Yes, it's the combination of alienation, ideological starvation, and crushing economic pressure that makes people snap I like this post but how do we fix it I think shedding some of the institutions and ideologies like religion or political parties can be a good thing but how can we help people feel like they're part of a community without trying to brainwash them? Not to say that all religion/churches/political parties are bad but some of the baggage that comes along with them has caused many of humanities problems.
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