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Shirec posted:Seeing as more rejections are rolling in ( I edited your last paragraph, it could be your first paragraph with one that I used that I got an interview with a few years ago. I was just loving around, but it worked at least once. I didn't take the job, but I had to at least interview after sending it and getting an email. quote:I have a deep well of enthusiasm and my own passion and those drive my endeavors. I want to build things that contribute in a meaningful way, I want to be charged to lead COMPANY into the light; bathed in the blood of our attainted competitors as we hear the lamentations of their shareholders and reign with might and iron will above them all. I will bring a policy of no survivors as we execute CEO NAME's vision. So let it be written! So let it be done! I've also sent versions of The Ring of Power poem edited to fit companies. I don't think I got a response from that one.
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Grump posted:*Rushes home in time for my phone screen at 7:30* I don't understand what your preferred option is here - they do the phone call anyway knowing that they're not going to hire you? Who does that help?
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:I don't understand what your preferred option is here - they do the phone call anyway knowing that they're not going to hire you? Who does that help? A glimmer of hope is better than none when you have nothing
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:I don't understand what your preferred option is here - they do the phone call anyway knowing that they're not going to hire you? Who does that help? The preferred option is for them to email me with something like “hey i know we had a call scheduled but we ended up hiring somebody, so we’d rather not waste anyone’s time here” rather than sending a message right before the call that reads, “thank you for taking the time out to speak with us!” I know i’m just being grumpy, but I don’t think an 11-person company’s HR process should be hidden behind a layer of automation like that. It really only bothers me because I expect a human element out of a company that small teen phone cutie fucked around with this message at 12:28 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 12:23
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:I don't understand what your preferred option is here - they do the phone call anyway knowing that they're not going to hire you? Who does that help? It helps the company's future recruiting efforts. Maybe Grump would be a perfect fit for another role, are they going to apply after how they've been treated? Maybe Grump has a friend who would make a great fit for a hard to fill role but hears about how they were treated here and avoids the call. Maybe Grump writes something on Glassdoor's recruitment experience section about their experience and tens of thousands of potential candidates sees it when researching the company. Vs 30 minutes of someone's time who was originally scheduled to spend their time like that.
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:I don't understand what your preferred option is here - they do the phone call anyway knowing that they're not going to hire you? Who does that help? Option 1. Don't cancel the call at literally the last minute. My assumption here is they offered to someone else, forgot to cancel the call with Grump, then had an "oh crap" moment when they got a calendar alert for it. Option 2. If a last-minute cancellation was actually warranted (maybe they extended the offer and it wasn't accepted until an hour before Grump's call), at the very least cancel it with a personal email that apologizes for doing so at such short notice. Option 3. Do a short call anyway to extend Grump the courtesy of being told on the phone that you're not under consideration. kitten smoothie fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Feb 21, 2018 |
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Feb 21, 2018 18:11
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I would resent Option 3 even more. Phone calls are bullshit time wasters. "You couldn't just send me a polite email telling me this?"
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The first part of my process for dealing with rejection is to call the company cheap, low-down, two-faced motherfuckers who can't recognize talent. It's way less awkward to shout that at a computer screen instead of on a phone call.
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Feb 21, 2018 23:07
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Hughlander posted:It helps the company's future recruiting efforts. Maybe Grump would be a perfect fit for another role, are they going to apply after how they've been treated? Maybe Grump has a friend who would make a great fit for a hard to fill role but hears about how they were treated here and avoids the call. Maybe Grump writes something on Glassdoor's recruitment experience section about their experience and tens of thousands of potential candidates sees it when researching the company. Vs 30 minutes of someone's time who was originally scheduled to spend their time like that. How they've been treated?? He was given a polite email explaining that he hadn't been successful. I think you guys are being really weird about this.
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Unrelated, saw this in a job ad today:quote:At least 10 year experience architecting solution leveraging AWS IaaS services, Cloud Native2.0 with 12+ years of experience of hard-core infrastructure consulting This is for a "mid-senior level" role. Shirec posted:Seeing as more rejections are rolling in ( Just wanted to remark that I really like your cover letter in its casual but enthusiastic tone, even if the wording could be improved as 'fantastic in plastic' already mentioned. putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:How they've been treated?? He was given a polite email explaining that he hadn't been successful. I think you guys are being really weird about this. It’s extremely rude to schedule an interview and send a form rejection email without even an apology for canceling it. It would be simple to say “We are sorry to inform you we’ve selected another candidate and will no longer be proceeding with the schedule interview. Good luck etc.”
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dantheman650 posted:It’s extremely rude to schedule an interview and send a form rejection email without even an apology for canceling it. It would be simple to say “We are sorry to inform you we’ve selected another candidate and will no longer be proceeding with the schedule interview. Good luck etc.” It's a faux pas, I certainly wouldn't call it "extremely rude" (we don't actually know that it was a form-letter by the way, wording in rejection emails are usually non-specific and generic, often for legal reasons). Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't think twice about it if I had that same experience other than maybe being very slightly bothered for like 5 minutes. On the other hand: quote:“We are sorry to inform you we’ve selected another candidate and will no longer be proceeding with the schedule interview. Good luck etc.” Isn't this what they did? Are we just quibbling over the specific wording?
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a hot gujju bhabhi posted:It's a faux pas, I certainly wouldn't call it "extremely rude" (we don't actually know that it was a form-letter by the way, wording in rejection emails are usually non-specific and generic, often for legal reasons). Maybe it's just me but I wouldn't think twice about it if I had that same experience other than maybe being very slightly bothered for like 5 minutes. If you’re not offended by it that’s ok and I won’t try to convince you to be. I just think it’s already such a discouraging world for job applicants and it’s already such a frequent occurrence to get ghosted. The email Grump received thanked them for completing the interview (which never even happened). It’s just a lack of courtesy that could easily be remedied.
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dantheman650 posted:If you’re not offended by it that’s ok and I won’t try to convince you to be. I just think it’s already such a discouraging world for job applicants and it’s already such a frequent occurrence to get ghosted. The email Grump received thanked them for completing the interview (which never even happened). It’s just a lack of courtesy that could easily be remedied. The thanks for an interview that never happened is a level of obliviousness that is insulting in a few different ways. It's no help for someone to dwell on it, but it would leave a sour taste in my mouth for that company and people. These are companies that get butthurt when an applicant is submitted by multiple recruiters or applies on a website. As if applicants have that much control over a process that may involve recruiters and websites being supplied different job descriptions for the same job by the employer! edit: And applying to upwards of 10, 20, or 30+ jobs in a week depending on availability. It is very disrespectful. edit: fixed wording
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Feb 22, 2018 01:54
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Those aren't the same. If a company hires a candidate that a recruiter submitted, they have to pay a fee to the recruiter. If multiple recruiters submit the same candidate, that can get messy, so companies forbid that in order to avoid hurting their relationships with their external recruiters.
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ultrafilter posted:Those aren't the same. If a company hires a candidate that a recruiter submitted, they have to pay a fee to the recruiter. If multiple recruiters submit the same candidate, that can get messy, so companies forbid that in order to avoid hurting their relationships with their external recruiters. Then maybe they should get their poo poo together and not use different titles and descriptions for the same job.
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kitten smoothie posted:Option 1. Don't cancel the call at literally the last minute. My assumption here is they offered to someone else, forgot to cancel the call with Grump, then had an "oh crap" moment when they got a calendar alert for it. Option 0. Interview and cover your rear end that the person to whom they offered the job doesn't back out between accepting and the start date.
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Okay I misread something and I thought that he had already done one phone interview and this was a follow-up interview. Since this was supposed to be the initial interview that the email references then yes, sorry, this is some very lovely behaviour. I misunderstood the context.
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fantastic in plastic posted:I'd include an introductory paragraph that just has the functional purpose of introducing yourself and reiterating what you're applying for. "My name is Shirec. I saw your advertisement for an open POSITION TITLE role on PLACE YOU FOUND IT. I would like you to consider me for the position. I am an engineer with TIME experience, primarily in LANGUAGE." Thank you for the feedback! I've re-written it based on that, and just some general musing upon it. I don't know if what I've done warrants bullet points, hopefully a list is sufficient. geeves posted:I edited your last paragraph, it could be your first paragraph with one that I used that I got an interview with a few years ago. I was just loving around, but it worked at least once. I didn't take the job, but I had to at least interview after sending it and getting an email. Hehehehehe, thank you for that! I needed the laugh, so much appreciated  a hot gujju bhabhi posted:Just wanted to remark that I really like your cover letter in its casual but enthusiastic tone, even if the wording could be improved as 'fantastic in plastic' already mentioned.  Thank you, I'd say casual but enthusiastic describes me well. Hopefully I kept that spirit with the edits.With the edits, is there any more feedback from y'all? Do you think it's good to go?
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Shirec posted:Seeing as more rejections are rolling in ( you should say something to the effect of being interested in their code and working creatively etc. etc. so they think you're interested in the coding itself. so food metaphors fail to express that emotion, i recommend you use buzzwords that'd give off the impression "code is this guy's life".
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Fututor Magnus posted:you should say something to the effect of being interested in their code and working creatively etc. etc. so they think you're interested in the coding itself. so food metaphors fail to express that emotion, i recommend you use buzzwords that'd give off the impression "code is this guy's life". Ok! That should be REMOVED. Old link still works too. I don't know what you mean by food metaphors though? Also a woman, so it would be very hard to me to get across coding being this guy's life. Shirec fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Feb 23, 2018 |
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Shirec posted:Ok! That should be edited in. Old link still works too. what i mean is that you give off the impression that you have a drive to work on the code, which should require the same sort of language regardless of gender to articulate that. even if you don't care that much about coding. for example, you mention your physically enthusiastic nature and interest in code as separate things, when it would be in your best branding interest to smash the two together, say something like "i love coding and coming up with creative solutions so much that it makes me GIDDY with excitement", that you bring your enthusiasm with you when you code, and for all they know it is coding that drives your physical expressions of excitement and enthusiasm. if you can pull that off being physically excited about anything, you have an edge over most of the puppets who interview for coding jobs. just make your cover letter convincing enough that the reason you're enthusiastic is code, you could easily go into the interview and sell it, if i'm right in assuming you're talking about being enthusiastic in your body language. also, give yourself an impressive title based on the work you do and the languages you know, and bold it, like "i am a title fluent in X and Y" and so on. Fututor Magnus fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Shirec posted:With the edits, is there any more feedback from y'all? Do you think it's good to go? I think it's improved, and I like how you convey your personality in your writing. You could polish it a little further by breaking apart some of the sentences that contain two ideas into two sentences. Compare "I am a developer, specializing in Node and AngularJS, and believe my skills will contribute greatly to your team." vs "I am a developer, specializing in Node and AngularJS. I believe that my skills will contribute greatly to your team." The second takes the two points you're trying to make and conveys them a little more clearly by devoting a whole sentence to each. Paragraph #2 could be reworked. It's conveying two things at once, which might lead a reader to wonder what your point is. The two things I think that it's saying are that you're high energy (sentence 1, sentence 4, sentence 5) and that you've got some professional experience (sentence 2, sentence 3). I'd consider decoupling the two ideas and making each its own paragraph. The paragraphs can be short, a couple sentences is fine. As a general rule in business writing, your audience is probably rushed and probably not invested in what they're doing. Optimize for brevity and clarity and you'll make a good impression.
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also, shirec, have you ever thought of pivoting to a position where you get to work with the user side of things more? like product manager? someone of your personality would do very well in that role and coming from a background in code you can leverage that experience you have with further skills (which you can build) in business and product management.
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It's interesting to see the difference between the US and UK style of applying for jobs. If I got a cover letter like that for a position I was interviewing for, I'd be a bit "WTF, too enthusiastic", but it's totally fine in the States.
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I sure as gently caress don't put that much effort into mine, and I'm in the US. Shirec, I salute your cover letter writing abilities 
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geeves posted:Option 0. Interview and cover your rear end that the person to whom they offered the job doesn't back out between accepting and the start date. This too. Between yesterday morning when I posted that and now, we just had someone do exactly that because they got a counteroffer from their boss. PS don't take counteroffers; in six months' time you'll be back to hating your old job, this time just with more money
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Grump posted:What’s it like working for a “laid back” company with no official PTO policy or 40-hour a week policy? Is it actually laid back or is it a nightmare where they expect you to work long hours? Had a second interview with these people that went very well. Seems like 3 weeks PTO is completely normal, which is good. It was hard gauging their work-from-home policy. One person said she works from home most days, but another guy on the phone said he usually works in the office. I'd like to get at least 3-4 in a month. Very much looking forward to the next interview, but I really need to have a good BANTA.
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I have an onsite technical interview on Monday and had an idea I'd like some feedback on. In my past few interviews I've had trouble remembering all of the questions I want to ask since I have a lot. I was thinking of writing them down in a notebook and bringing it to the interview. I'd also like to have it to take notes since I'm meeting with 10 different people. Would this make me look weird or prepared?
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Maed posted:I have an onsite technical interview on Monday and had an idea I'd like some feedback on. In my past few interviews I've had trouble remembering all of the questions I want to ask since I have a lot. I was thinking of writing them down in a notebook and bringing it to the interview. I'd also like to have it to take notes since I'm meeting with 10 different people. I would find it weird if someone didn't bring something to write notes on to an interview
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Maed posted:I have an onsite technical interview on Monday and had an idea I'd like some feedback on. In my past few interviews I've had trouble remembering all of the questions I want to ask since I have a lot. I was thinking of writing them down in a notebook and bringing it to the interview. I'd also like to have it to take notes since I'm meeting with 10 different people. There's nothing weird about that whatsoever. I would even say it should be expected.
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I've never written a cover letter and never will.
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Ither posted:I've never written a cover letter and never will. This is a very strange cross to die on.
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Writing cover letters kicks rear end because it gives me an early chance to distinguish myself from all the gormless dweebs who can't communicate for poo poo
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On the handful of occasions I've been part of the hiring process, I've never thrown out an applicant for not having a cover letter. But a good cover letter will absolutely help you stand out from the pack.
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How normal is it to have only two weeks from getting customer information/requirements to having them launch? I have no idea if this is ridiculous or not. Also guess who’s working this weekend?
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