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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I turned off my mining gaming PC but hasn’t it been that way basically since January? It wasn't great, but it was better than the majority of the last half of 2017. ~$5 on 1080tis, ~$4 on my 1080, not sure about 1070 average thats a newer card for me. These values were more than acceptable to me because it was when the market was in a downward spiral. Now we're dipping into the ~$2.30 range on a 1080 and the same drop across the board. I mean I get why and all its just a little  . There was a significant drop in value overnight and while I cant be sure about this, Ive noticed a pattern where Nicehash takes a while to "catch up" to the market. If thats true its likely due to how the orders for hashing power work. I've never had a problem with it since you could "mine the dip" but this is the unfortunate unavoidable opposite to that.
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Sounds like it’s a lettuce and onions half size burrito for you (no protein)
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Yeah, without another spike in the price of BTC the profit margins are just going to keep sliding lower and lower. With the spike up to $12k last week it was good enough that I turned my desktop back on and started mining again, but if this slide continues it'll be going back off again soon. I'm not putting wear on my computer for a dollar a day of profit, and my AIO's pump doesn't sound fully healthy anymore. At this point I wonder how much of the high price of GPUs is just supply shortage (for the transition to Turing) rather than demand. Buying more GPUs now would be insane, you're looking at 300-day ROIs at current profits, and difficulty is just going to keep climbing. Barring another spike in the price of BTC, that hardware is probably never going to pay itself back, you wouldn't think that miners would be buying. Unfortunately, a lot of miners respond to reduced profits by doubling down and buying more rigs, so... Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 18:48
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Paul MaudDib posted:my AIO's pump doesn't sound fully healthy anymore. For what it's worth, I had a H110 that I'd been using for ~3 years that was clearly struggling--not because of a dying pump, but because it had lost enough fluid in there that it wasn't circulating properly anymore, and even moderate loads on a stock 5820k would spike it to 85-90C. Corsair replaced it with a NIB one with zero argument (though I did have to pay to ship it back), they offer cross-shipping, and now it runs under load overclocked at 4.5GHz at like 55C. Basically, buy AIOs from companies with good return policies.
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Feb 22, 2018 18:59
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The Cryptocurrency Mining Thread: sunk burrito fallacy
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Feb 22, 2018 19:00
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Paul MaudDib posted:Yeah, without another spike in the price of BTC the profit margins are just going to keep sliding lower and lower. With the spike up to $12k last week it was good enough that I turned my desktop back on and started mining again, but if this slide continues it'll be going back off again soon. I'm not putting wear on my computer for a dollar a day of profit, and my AIO's pump doesn't sound fully healthy anymore. Im pretty convinced that a legitimate supply issue is to blame at this point, though it'd probably be just fine if there was no buttcoin pressure. But it was just far too sudden and lasted way too long, where previously you could definitely still get any card you wanted if you looked for a few days or was willing to put up with standard markups at places like B&H, Fry's, Best Buy even. Then one day it was literally like a lightswitch flipped. Granted it was at near peak BTC value, but that has come and gone. If RAM modules were really the culprit I dont know, but I'd assume now its also due to changing manufacturing to the new stuff as well.
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DrDork posted:For what it's worth, I had a H110 that I'd been using for ~3 years that was clearly struggling--not because of a dying pump, but because it had lost enough fluid in there that it wasn't circulating properly anymore, and even moderate loads on a stock 5820k would spike it to 85-90C. Corsair replaced it with a NIB one with zero argument (though I did have to pay to ship it back), they offer cross-shipping, and now it runs under load overclocked at 4.5GHz at like 55C. Yeah, I'm strongly in favor of purchasing AIOs with a full warranty. Saving $10 on a refurb is not a good deal given what it costs you in warranty. Most AIO companies have an unofficial policy of covering the rest of the system against damage during the warranty period as well, on a case-by-case basis. They're not going to do it if you obviously damaged the AIO, but if it springs a leak on its own then they'll usually pay up. That's a big comfort since coolant leaks are instadeath for the rest of the system. edit: looks like Cooler Master puts a 5y warranty on these, so I'm betting it'll kick the bucket inside warranty here. It really grinds when the system is first starting up, I'm betting there's air in the pump until it gets fully primed. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 19:16
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Paul MaudDib posted:That's a big comfort since coolant leaks are instadeath for the rest of the system. Now I feel like my H80, which just passed the five year mark and is now outside of warranty (and probably always was since it was an open box model from Fry's), is a ticking bomb. Fortunately it's been running on "Quiet Mode" it's entire life at stock frequencies, but now I'm caught between "OC this 3770K or buy Zen+" and the expense of changing the AIO really doesn't do much to help. The good news is that even at stock this has been a really good CPU that I've happy with for five whole years. So good that they seem to be resorting to not patching Spectre as leverage to push us into upgrading at last.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Yeah, I'm strongly in favor of purchasing AIOs with a full warranty. Saving $10 on a refurb is not a good deal given what it costs you in warranty. Counterpoint, I've bought maybe a 6 each of Refurb and New Hydros while building systems for people, and the Refurb are almost always completely topped off while the "New" have actually sat around on a Microcenter shelf for years and usually have air in the system. Also they usually save way more than $10, for instance the H100i on NewEgg is $41 less than new ($69 vs $110).
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And, to be fair, the H110 I started with was a Fry's floor model that I bought for $25, and who knows how long it had been chugging along in their demo system.
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Zero VGS posted:Counterpoint, I've bought maybe a 6 each of Refurb and New Hydros while building systems for people, and the Refurb are almost always completely topped off while the "New" have actually sat around on a Microcenter shelf for years and usually have air in the system. Also they usually save way more than $10, for instance the H100i on NewEgg is $41 less than new ($69 vs $110). You're paying for the warranty. An extra $40, considered over the lifespan of the unit, is cheap insurance against trashing $1200 + of hardware. And the price difference on the 120mm units is usually only $10. If CM/Corsair were willing to put a 5-year warranty on the refurb units I'd be all over it. I also assume that an etailer like Newegg or Amazon has enough turnover that shelf time is not an issue. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Feb 22, 2018 |
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Feb 22, 2018 23:38
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I realize this isn't the cooling thread, but EVGA debuted a 120mm cooler this week that MSRPs new for $20 less than their original one. It seems this cost savings was attained in removing RGB lights, which is kind of absurd. Unfortunately, it only supports Intel right now.
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I just got my first Nicehash payout... $15 of my pre-hack $100-ish. That's a pleasant burrito surprise.
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Zero VGS posted:I just got my first Nicehash payout... $15 of my pre-hack $100-ish. That's a pleasant burrito surprise. 
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Do they pay out to the external wallets more frequently now that the transaction cost is reasonable again? I still have like $30 bucks stuck there.
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Gobbeldygook posted:They're actually paying back the money that was lost in the hack? Yes, but only in 10% chunks. As in, if you lost $100, they paid back $10 this month, and will pay the remaining $90 back over...well they haven't actually said what the repayment schedule is. Monthly, maybe? 
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mobby_6kl posted:Do they pay out to the external wallets more frequently now that the transaction cost is reasonable again? I still have like $30 bucks stuck there. Yes, though it varies. Its like 0.02-0.04 so far iirc
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So yesterday I find out my mining rig is crashing on me, so I check the tower to see what's wrong with it, either the cards may have overheated or there's too much dust in the CPU fan or both. So I tried restarting my PC and mine again...only to crash after a couple of hours. Then I tried mining ONE card, AGAIN it crashes. Now I've gone 'gently caress it' and decided to turn off my computer so my cards can cool down for about half an hour, I know it should be longer than that, but I thought this would be enough time to let them mine again. I'm also considering getting a higher watt PSU or some heatsinks to make the rig cooler.
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it sounds like you didnt actually diagnose or fix anything but are going to do same thing that caused the problem and hope it turns out differently? Find the problem first before applying solutions to ones you might not have.
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Junior Jr. posted:So yesterday I find out my mining rig is crashing on me, so I check the tower to see what's wrong with it, either the cards may have overheated or there's too much dust in the CPU fan or both. Interesting, I didn’t know restarting computers fixed dust problems
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"A VRM keeps going hot and my computer is shutting off to try to save itself. Dealing with the problem would be hard, so I'm just resetting it and hoping applying more voltage will assist."
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Craptacular! posted:"A VRM keeps going hot and my computer is shutting off to try to save itself. Dealing with the problem would be hard, so I'm just resetting it and hoping applying more voltage will assist." Well you see silicon has a very high melting point so the dust will burn right off! 
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It does not take 30 minutes for a computer to cool down
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ohgodwhat posted:It does not take 30 minutes for a computer to cool down It does when it’s packed with dust
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but this thread told me how miners treat their rigs like their precious babies and gently undervolt things and apply proper cooling so that the GPUs can totally run at 100% load 24/7 and have basic competence and
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divabot posted:but this thread told me how miners treat their rigs like their precious babies and gently undervolt things and apply proper cooling so that the GPUs can totally run at 100% load 24/7 and have basic competence and Some people cargo cult hiding their porn stash from mom (put it in a drawer and hope nobody looks), some people cargo cult datacenters like this amazing aussie who built a mining "room" with actual framing and walls and security cameras... in his garage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFbId3mEa9Q I started watching that youtube channel for 3d printer reviews but continue watching to see if this guy burns down his house or goes broke out of morbid curiosity. I admit that spending money on his setup and even attempting to do something beyond cramming his basement full of GPUs puts him heads above most buttminers, however that still gives him the distinction of being a slightly smarter idiot.
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divabot posted:but this thread told me how miners treat their rigs like their precious babies and gently undervolt things and apply proper cooling so that the GPUs can totally run at 100% load 24/7 and have basic competence and I too take a small data point as representation of a whole. The fellow is a goon.
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While single data points are, indeed, largely meaningless, the fact that we've seen a ton of used cards change hands on this and other threads, and very few if any stories of cards turning out to be hosed up, strongly suggests that there's not nearly the risk factor involved as there may have been in the past. Plus, 3 year S/N based warranties are A Thing. I can only assume that the people arguing against buying butt-miners fire-sales are the same people who only ever buy brand new cars because they can't be sure that the previous owner wasn't an idiot and don't want to take the risk, warranty or not, regardless of the savings achieved by buying used.
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DrDork posted:While single data points are, indeed, largely meaningless, the fact that we've seen a ton of used cards change hands on this and other threads, and very few if any stories of cards turning out to be hosed up, strongly suggests that there's not nearly the risk factor involved as there may have been in the past. You can research the history of a car usually, to see if it's been in a major wreck for instance.
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DrDork posted:While single data points are, indeed, largely meaningless, the fact that we've seen a ton of used cards change hands on this and other threads, and very few if any stories of cards turning out to be hosed up, strongly suggests that there's not nearly the risk factor involved as there may have been in the past. dang, that's a lot of flawed arguments for a single post
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Lube banjo posted:dang, that's a lot of flawed arguments for a single post Bring me evidence suggesting that ex-mining cards fail at a higher rate than normal cards, and I'll happily change my mind. poo poo, bring me evidence that used 10-series cards fail at a rate worth being concerned about, and I'll happily change my mind. I won't ask for hard numbers because obviously the only ones with the real return stats are the manufacturers, and they're not saying poo poo. So bring me people bitching on forums, bad Amazon reviews, negative eBay posts, something here! But right now the current body of evidence is a conspicuous lack of horror stories, which strongly suggests that things are pretty ok. Also that 3 year warranty is pretty great at solving the issue of getting a hosed up card--sure, it's obnoxious, but if you're saving $300+ then I'd imagine a lot of people would be willing to deal with the hassle. DrDork fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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"Bring me evidence of something that's near-impossible to collect evidence of!" At the very least the fans on an ex-buttminer card are gonna be impacted, even if none of the solid-state stuff is. DrDork posted:Also that 3 year warranty is pretty great at solving the issue of getting a hosed up card--sure, it's obnoxious, but if you're saving $300+ then I'd imagine a lot of people would be willing to deal with the hassle. It's only $300 off if you're starting from the retarded markup prices that cards have been selling for. Which is still a pretty poo poo deal, whether or not the card has shortened lifespan from buttmining. And the warranty is gonna be a lot less than 3 years -- first you're going by their SN system rather than proof of purchase so chop a couple months off there, second it's used so however long the previous owner had it for. IMO used PC hardware in general is not worth the bother because, unlike a car, the discounts are tiny. Always has been. For some reason people are absolutely fine paying $195 for a 2 year old used part if it performs the same as the $200 new thing. I've never understood it.
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1gnoirents posted:Mining rate status: BAD Bad... but still profitable. I just have my single card going doing one $20 Amazon card a week. The moment I have to switch from heating to AC, it's going off for good.
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lol you nerds would make more money with less investment farming bing rewards for gift cards at this point
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Klyith posted:"Bring me evidence of something that's near-impossible to collect evidence of!" And, yeah, I agree that there's no reason to bother with used poo poo if it's only a $25 discount or whatever. But right now $200-$400 discounts are how it's going, which makes it a much more reasonable consideration.
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BangersInMyKnickers posted:lol you nerds would make more money with less investment farming bing rewards for gift cards at this point Lol you nerds says sa forums poster
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