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Tuxedo Catfish posted:following this thread's glowing recommendations i'm now watching Discovery. it's good. That's basically how I live my life re: rpg recommendations, and it's been working out pretty great. Arivia posted:Tipping would lead to a bigger more complicated system than Phoenix Command. Way way too much man. Just give everyone three dollars. Four is too much, and two is too little.
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Bedlamdan posted:Here's the biggest example: https://www.gamesradar.com/star-tre...need-right-now/. I'm not gonna watch an ad to read this but holy poo poo that is possibly the worst discovery take I've ever seen, including the "Michael Burnham is the first black star trek lead" take
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Kai Tave posted:For sale: RPG, never read.
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You run into a basic problem with your Star Trek/Warhammer comparison, which is that I'm pretty sure you'd have just as many sex criminals in both circles, if being a Warham didn't preclude one from having sex.
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grassy gnoll posted:You run into a basic problem with your Star Trek/Warhammer comparison, which is that I'm pretty sure you'd have just as many sex criminals in both circles, if being a Warham didn't preclude one from having sex. Star Trek posted:"Hrm, what if we reverse the ion polarity to the 6th degree, thereby reducing our quantum entanglement!" "Brilliant! By doing so, we can harmonize our carbon load and pull out of this gravitational flux!" Warhammer 40,000 posted:Just the lyrics to Amen and Attack by Powerwolf, on an infinite loop, at max volume 
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Feb 23, 2018 05:17
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Discovery is good because it's about the pinko pacifist federation learning that the only way to deal with space jihadis is to learn how to commit war crimes and threaten to explode their planets
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Feb 23, 2018 05:19
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oh I figured out your problem, you're watching Voyager instead of a good one
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grassy gnoll posted:You run into a basic problem with your Star Trek/Warhammer comparison, which is that I'm pretty sure you'd have just as many sex criminals in both circles, if being a Warham didn't preclude one from having sex. The LoGH connoisseur is an enlightened volcel who has transcended the designs of Yaldabaoth and is studying the way to join Sophia.
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cheetah7071 posted:oh I figured out your problem, you're watching Voyager instead of a good one I watched maybe a dozen episodes of TNG and a couple of Voyager in my entire life Plutonis posted:The LoGH connoisseur is an enlightened volcel who has transcended the designs of Yaldabaoth and is studying the way to join Sophia. I prefer Irresponsible Captain Tylor
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Oh I also checked out Wrath of Khan because Ricardo Montalban was funny in Freakazoid 
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Plutonis posted:Discovery is good because it's about the pinko pacifist federation learning that the only way to deal with space jihadis is to learn how to commit war crimes and threaten to explode their planets it's good because like every Trek show it's good in proportion to the degree that it recognizes that the Federation kind of sucks, and better than DS9 because instead of just having Quark look directly at the camera and tell you so, it demonstrates it
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Ceterum censeo Chatthreadium delendam esse
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:it's good because like every Trek show it's good in proportion to the degree that it recognizes that the Federation kind of sucks, and better than DS9 because instead of just having Quark look directly at the camera and tell you so, it demonstrates it this is a very strange reading of DS9
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:it's good because like every Trek show it's good in proportion to the degree that it recognizes that the Federation kind of sucks, and better than DS9 because instead of just having Quark look directly at the camera and tell you so, it demonstrates it lol wut. Theres such a staggering amount of wrong there that I'd like you source your quotes.
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You should have picked a selection from that ancient Warhams book where the marine lets loose a genetically-augmented fart in the other dude's face, and it goes on for a couple of paragraphs of description.
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grassy gnoll posted:You should have picked a selection from that ancient Warhams book where the marine lets loose a genetically-augmented fart in the other dude's face, and it goes on for a couple of paragraphs of description. Star Trek posted:Commander Data: Excuse me Captain, could you spend an entire episode explaining basic human concepts that you and the audience already take for granted, like love, or fart jokes? Warhammer 40K posted:Commander Data, like all the abominable Men of Iron, had been purged millennia ago. No longer shall his ilk be tolerated. 
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The federation is the good guys, ergo they own
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cheetah7071 posted:oh I figured out your problem, you're watching Voyager instead of a good one B-but Voyager is the best one
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cheetah7071 posted:my condolences I'm not sure I'd say it gets better. The best episode is in the second half (I think episode 13), but it's still hit and miss. The best episode comes right after a really bad one that needed bad filler to even reach a 37 minute runtime. They double down on the grimdark poo poo after the midseason break. Literally half of the episodes in this series and nearly all of the episodes in the second half feature torture. Most episodes in the second half feature mass murder. There is even cannibalism by Starfleet crew members. But on the other hand, the way they ended it in the season finale seems to hold out hope that they might put that behind them next season. It'll be interesting to see if they keep going for murderhobos in space while claiming to be idealistic or if they pull a bait and switch and draw people in with the ultraviolence in season 1 then follow up with utopian space adventure.
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Iīll die on the hill of "Discovery is lovely." Not because itīs bad as a Trek series, why I donīt even care about, but because its bad as a coherent story and tv series.
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Jimbozig posted:I'm not sure I'd say it gets better. The best episode is in the second half (I think episode 13), but it's still hit and miss. The best episode comes right after a really bad one that needed bad filler to even reach a 37 minute runtime. I mean the second half was still grimdark but like the main leads were resisting the grimdark elements instead of being active participants in it, and I cared whether they lived or died even a little bit. Ultimately, I'll stand by "the second half is where it gets watchable" but won't go any further than that.
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I downgraded Discovery from a 7 to a 5 in the second half for killing one of the men in the first Trek gay couple. What is this, 2003? Get over killing LGBT people for shock value, please.
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Discovery is a mixed bag, but not unwatchable garbage. One of the strongest first seasons of a Trek show. Probably 2nd or 3rd deoending on how you rank stand out episodes vs overall consistency. ALSO the best eps are both before the break and are the timeloop episode and the Paviian tree people episode.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:it's good because like every Trek show it's good in proportion to the degree that it recognizes that the Federation kind of sucks, and better than DS9 because instead of just having Quark look directly at the camera and tell you so, it demonstrates it *Rich Evans laugh*
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Discovery had Bryan Singer set it up, and then abruptly leave the show right about the time they were getting ready to start producing episodes. The season feels like the showrunners had all these ideas from him that either they didn't want to use or didn't know where he intended to go with them. On the other hand, it wouldn't be a real trek show if the first season wasn't a bunch of ideas that take a while to catch their stride.
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Moriatti posted:Discovery is a mixed bag, but not unwatchable garbage. One of the strongest first seasons of a Trek show. Probably 2nd or 3rd deoending on how you rank stand out episodes vs overall consistency. I hate the time loop episode, and I love time travel poo poo to an unreasonable degree. I've watched every lovely time travel movie I can - even goddamn Hot Tub Time Machine (which was pretty bad). That's why retrocausality was an instant buy for me without even knowing anything about it other than "time travel!" I was sold as soon as it mentioned Bill and Ted. There was a good episode there to be made with that time loop and I was on board for the first half of the episode, but it felt like they cut out some crucial stuff and couldn't stick the landing. Oh, and the ending was mind-boggling - "haha, your punishment for mass murder and treason is to have to go be henpecked by your shrewish wife. The ol ball and chain, right fellas?" What decade was this show produced in?? Pavan episode was fine. I notice you picked the two that had mostly self-contained stories. In that sense they were the most like other Trek series. I thought episode 13 did really well with what the show was trying to do, having exciting action and good pacing, and progressing the serial story without "reveals" that were obvious to everyone ages ago. It still had the characters attempting insane plans that could only work if nothing goes wrong, but I can forgive that - that's just how TV works sometimes. I am happy to judge Discovery on its own terms and if they want to make it serial instead of episodic, I'm fine with that. It's just that it's often pretty bad even on its own terms.
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Jimbozig posted:Oh, and the ending was mind-boggling - "haha, your punishment for mass murder and treason is to have to go be henpecked by your shrewish wife. The ol ball and chain, right fellas?" What decade was this show produced in?? Is Miles O'Brien in the new series?
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Wait they just straight up copied Mudd's ending from his second ep in the original series? I am assuming they did it to Mudd?
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Jimbozig posted:Oh, and the ending was mind-boggling - "haha, your punishment for mass murder and treason is to have to go be henpecked by your shrewish wife. The ol ball and chain, right fellas?" What decade was this show produced in?? The ending wasn't a punishment. They found out why Mudd was running and did what they thought would rehabilitate or at least stop him. They were wrong, but I get the thought. I generally agree, I picked episodes that had stand alone villians, but charcter development that followed through. Pavan ep had Saru learn to not be held back by his fears, and his experience there later helped him understand what Tyler/Voq was going through. It's a good Trek ep that informs that character for the rest of the series.
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I quit watching TNG after three episodes. I just heard about the fourth episode yesterday, and drat. I'm glad I jumped off that ship early.
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There's a reason people say to skip season 1. Honestly, with TNG, I say cherrY pick a couple eps then go right into DS9. Though the first season of DS9 is pretty rough too tbh.
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Desiden posted:Discovery had Bryan Singer set it up, and then abruptly leave the show after being exposed as a rapist/pedophile for the nth time and it actually sticking right about the time they were getting ready to start producing episodes. I feel it's important to point that part out.
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demota posted:I quit watching TNG after three episodes. I just heard about the fourth episode yesterday, and drat. I'm glad I jumped off that ship early. Season 7 gets really weird but some people love it, and All Good Things is IMO the perfect way to end the series.
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:I feel it's important to point that part out. Bryan Singer is indeed a shitbag, but it was Bryan Fuller who worked on Discovery.
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oops, yeah, was mixing up my bryans.
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Desiden posted:oops, yeah, was mixing up my bryans. I forgot he was on it too since he was on American Gods before he abruptly left that, mostly due to fighting with Neil Gaiman about how close it would adapt the novel.
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After season 1 I'd have thought that ship had sailed. Between American Gods and Hannibal, he definitely has a tendency to change things around for what feels like just the sake of it.
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Forgive me if cross-posting is discouraged here, but over in the Game Writing Workshop Thread I put up a beta playtest kit for my fantasy heartbreaker RPG. That thread doesn't see much traffic these days, so I wanted to draw attention to it here in hopes of drawing some eyeballs in its direction.
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Bryan Fuller made Pushing Daisies, and for this reason he is allowed to do exactly as he pleases, forever. Sorry, this is just how ethics works.
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Falstaff posted:Forgive me if cross-posting is discouraged here, but over in the Game Writing Workshop Thread I put up a beta playtest kit for my fantasy heartbreaker RPG. That thread doesn't see much traffic these days, so I wanted to draw attention to it here in hopes of drawing some eyeballs in its direction. This looks really cool, I'll give it a read soon.
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