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Based on these quotes:quote:to trust a boss when he complimented me and not cringe when he asked for my number quote:Otherwise you’re falling into the Mike Pence School of Gender Relations that says men can’t be trusted with women’s phone numbers. it does sound like there was some telephone based harassment. And the Pence allusion makes me think that it wasn't just calling to berate/bother her with requests about the show.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 20:13 |
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She raped his family on the beach.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 20:22 |
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Klungar posted:https://twitter.com/meganganz/status/919957356624076800 Yeesh, I didn't see that one. How bad do we need that movie, then?
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 20:42 |
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Who’s HW
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:08 |
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I'm guessing George Herbert Walker Bush
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:10 |
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Escobarbarian posted:Who’s HW Harvey Weinstein, almost certainly
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:20 |
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Arist posted:Harvey Weinstein, almost certainly Oh yeah whoops
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:30 |
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I remember Ganz tweeting something about the working conditions in the Community writer's room after season 2 ended and while she played the "Harmon is an insane boss!" off for laughs then, it already hinted that he was pretty awful.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:37 |
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He's been well known to be really hard to work with for years hasn't he? I remember hearing about bullying/screaming/weird outbursts and suchlike when I first got into Community, back around season 4. Not a stretch to picture him awkwardly asking someone on staff out, being shot down and then his toxicity becoming even worse.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 21:56 |
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thebardyspoon posted:He's been well known to be really hard to work with for years hasn't he? I remember hearing about bullying/screaming/weird outbursts and suchlike when I first got into Community, back around season 4. Not a stretch to picture him awkwardly asking someone on staff out, being shot down and then his toxicity becoming even worse. Harmon himself has casually recalled that in the early days of Community he would show up to the writers room in a bathrobe and greet them with "'sup faggots?"
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 22:09 |
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Even back on the DVD commentaries for Community, all the jokes about him being a drunk rear end in a top hat boss I took 100% seriously tbh.
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Dreylad posted:I remember Ganz tweeting something about the working conditions in the Community writer's room after season 2 ended and while she played the "Harmon is an insane boss!" off for laughs then, it already hinted that he was pretty awful. Yeah, I remember her saying something about feeling shell shocked all the time and crying in her shower, but I'd taken it to mean that he was slave-drivey and hypercritical and less that he was being creep-sleaze. Now it's both!
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 22:35 |
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I hope Harmontown is back on this weekend.
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# ? Jan 4, 2018 22:37 |
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Steve Vader posted:Yeah, I remember her saying something about feeling shell shocked all the time and crying in her shower, but I'd taken it to mean that he was slave-drivey and hypercritical and less that he was being creep-sleaze. Now it's both! There were a few behind the scenes clips for season 1 that I don't know if they made it into the DVD's. One of which was Harmon calling Ganz into his office for some script rework and when she walks in he slams the script out of her hands, screams in her face, and then starts laughing hysterically. He seems to have reflected on, and improved his behavior, but Community Dan Harmon was the epitome of the guy that doesn't get that bullying people "ironically" still involves you being a poo poo head.
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# ? Jan 5, 2018 05:15 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:He seems to have reflected on, and improved his behavior, but Community Dan Harmon was the epitome of the guy that doesn't get that bullying people "ironically" still involves you being a poo poo head. That's a great way of putting it. You're still making someone the butt of your joke, it's just a slightly different punchline. "haha can you imagine if I was SERIOUSLY making this a toxic work environment and not doing it as a joke?"
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# ? Jan 5, 2018 15:16 |
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The episode that was the biggest indicator of Harmon's weird thoughts about relationships with women was the Blade episode. The way he depicted Britta's psychology with Blade vs. Troy was bizarre and served to engage in male fantasy. Which was a shame, because I thought the Vaughn and Britta/Annie relationships were depicted pretty well for a comedic sitcom.
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thebardyspoon posted:He's been well known to be really hard to work with for years hasn't he? What immediately comes to mind is that bit from the Harmontown documentary where Sarah Silverman says she's his biggest fan and still fired him.
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# ? Jan 8, 2018 01:01 |
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So Dan talked about what he did to Megan Ganz on his podcast https://twitter.com/meganganz/status/951373399929978881 https://twitter.com/meganganz/status/951373403625177088 https://twitter.com/meganganz/status/951373406141743105 http://www.harmontown.com/2018/01/episode-dont-let-him-wipe-or-flush/ I thought it was interesting he said he destroyed the show, so we finally know the real reason he got booted. Knowing all that, I wonder why the gently caress they brought him back.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 15:24 |
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Wow, that’s really good of her.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 15:43 |
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Escobarbarian posted:Wow, that’s really good of her. Listening to Dan's apology/confession is pretty rough (he gets close to crying at least once), but I'm glad she likes it. Makes me believe things can work out okay sometimes.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 15:46 |
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I was ready to take it with a pinch of salt because he’s always been good at being self-effacing without learning from his mistakes but nah that’s a damned good confession.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 15:55 |
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Is there a transcript of it somewhere
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 16:00 |
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Escobarbarian posted:I was ready to take it with a pinch of salt because he’s always been good at being self-effacing without learning from his mistakes but nah that’s a damned good confession. I think people like him do a lot of “not thinking about it”, so while he may be remorseful and mean it I think he’s likely to do something like this again. I enjoy Dan but he’s a pretty flawed guy. I don’t think people should be congratulating him for what he did, but they should take his advice and look at themselves critically and think about what they’re doing.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 17:16 |
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Vegetable posted:Is there a transcript of it somewhere https://www.spin.com/2018/01/dan-harmon-sexually-harassment-community-writer-megan-ganz-podcast/ quote:“I was attracted to an employee. I really want to be really careful about that language because a huge part of the problem is a culture of feeling things that you think are unique and significant because they are happening to you and saying things like ‘I had feelings for’ and ‘I fell for’ and all these things. The most clinical way I can put it in fessing up to my crimes is that I was attracted to a writer I had power over because I was a show runner and I knew enough to know that these feelings were bad news.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 18:34 |
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PostNouveau posted:I thought it was interesting he said he destroyed the show, so we finally know the real reason he got booted. Knowing all that, I wonder why the gently caress they brought him back. Easy: Megan Ganz left. hosed up when you think about it, but there you go.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 18:51 |
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DivisionPost posted:Easy: Megan Ganz left. Also because Joel McHale and other cast members demanded he be brought back and threatened to walk if they didn't, which is also pretty hosed if they were aware of all this.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 19:16 |
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Yeah this doesn’t make McHale look great The timeline on his story is a little off because they only worked together for two years, but hey, dude was drunk 24/7, not surprised he wasn’t able to keep track of time
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 21:43 |
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Escobarbarian posted:Yeah this doesn’t make McHale look great How so? He mentioned his behavior over two seasons, presumably 2 and 3.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 21:44 |
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He specifies that they had been working together for two years before he admitted his feelings and then began being resentful, which doesn’t really add up. Maybe he just meant “a year” because you can definitely see it in certain moments of Ganz’s s3 scripts aka Script Supervisor Annie
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 21:53 |
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Escobarbarian posted:The timeline on his story is a little off because they only worked together for two years, but hey, dude was drunk 24/7, not surprised he wasn’t able to keep track of time Huh? Escobarbarian posted:He specifies that they had been working together for two years before he admitted his feelings and then began being resentful, which doesn’t really add up. Maybe he just meant “a year” because you can definitely see it in certain moments of Ganz’s s3 scripts aka Script Supervisor Annie
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 21:56 |
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I'm not sure I buy the idea that this is why he was fired.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 21:58 |
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Last Chance posted:Huh? There’s literally a transcript you can read on this page
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:01 |
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prefect posted:I'm not sure I buy the idea that this is why he was fired. Well, it could be that some executives at either NBC or Sony knew about this, but then the Chevy voicemail thing happened and they saw it as "let's use this as our out before this draws any further attention to that toxic work environment and the story goes from being about two crotchety old men yelling at each other to being about one of our showrunners harassing one of his writers."
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:07 |
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prefect posted:I'm not sure I buy the idea that this is why he was fired. Yeah, him harassing Ganz is terrible but I don't think Sony would drop him for that (sad as that is to say). It seems far more likely the reasons are still what they were at the time he was fired: the show was struggling for ratings, it ran into frequent productions delays because Harmon couldn't produce scripts in time, and he was having a high-profile spat with Chevy. Although the latter reason would provide a convenient smokescreen to cover up his harassment of one of the writing staff.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:10 |
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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:Well, it could be that some executives at either NBC or Sony knew about this, but then the Chevy voicemail thing happened and they saw it as "let's use this as our out before this draws any further attention to that toxic work environment and the story goes from being about two crotchety old men yelling at each other to being about one of our showrunners harassing one of his writers." I doubt people in Hollywood cared back then.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:11 |
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Escobarbarian posted:There’s literally a transcript you can read on this page Oh no, I listened to the podcast, I still don't understand what you're talking about
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:14 |
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Last Chance posted:Oh no, I listened to the podcast, I still don't understand what you're talking about quote:And because I finally got to the point where I said to her ‘I love you’ because that’s what I thought it was, when you target somebody for two years. And it was therefore rejected that way, I was humiliated. So, I continued to do the cowardly thing. I continued to do the selfish thing. Sorry but I honestly don’t understand which part of what I said is confusing. He clearly states they were working together for two years before he told her he loved her, even though they only worked together for that period of time in total.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:22 |
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Escobarbarian posted:Sorry but I honestly don’t understand which part of what I said is confusing. He clearly states they were working together for two years before he told her he loved her, even though they only worked together for that period of time in total. Ok I understand now. It's been a long day, sorry. Yeah, it's before the transcript starts but Harmon does throw around the wrong dates (he says 2009 at some point) and he clearly doesn't know 100% of the timeline himself, so you're right.
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# ? Jan 11, 2018 22:36 |
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Alright, Joel McHale has a Netflix show now that's basically just The Soup. So they've got McHale, Brie and Rash on the payroll now. Do the movie, Netflix. It'll cost 1/20th of what Bright cost.
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They all appear in the first episode, too
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