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jesus christ quote:Van Drew’s voting record is conservative on fronts besides gun control, as well. He was one of two Democrats in the state senate to vote against gay marriage in 2012. Van Drew has also supported restrictions on abortion, and vocally opposed the idea of making New Jersey a sanctuary city — a proposal embraced by newly elected Democratic governor Phil Murphy. This is new jersey, not alabama.
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Maybe he just opposed turning New Jersey into a city. Seems like a downgrade?
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Willa Rogers posted:This is new jersey, not alabama. tbf according to most people there anything past central jersey might as well be alabama
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Feb 23, 2018 22:22
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Weird none of the usual suspects gave that guy flack about his rating.
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As a native of NJ-02 it's not that conservative down there. We went for Obama twice and van Drew is only ahead due to name recognition (he represents a more conservative part if the district). If Jim Whelan (represented a more liberal district including Atlantic City) hadn't died last year he probably could have won. Van Drew is about as old as our retiring R congressman anyway so if he wins hopefully he won't be there for 24 years like our previous two representatives.
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Radish posted:Weird none of the usual suspects gave that guy flack about his rating. Who? That fucker from New Jersey that should be voted out and the DCCC which should be dismantled? gently caress them
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After the shooting the usual DNC guys came out to say that Bernie should have to answer for his pro-gun voting record but neglected to call out this A+ dude (who also voted no on gay marriage apparently). You start to get the feeling they aren't arguing in good faith when they attack the left.
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i joked about it in the succ zone but apparently the dccc's red to blue program is finding republicans to run as democrats
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The Muppets On PCP posted:i joked about it in the succ zone but apparently the dccc's red to blue program is finding republicans to run as democrats That's what they've been doing and failing at in Florida. The Democrats are going to be really surprised and offended when their town halls start looking like the Republicans did last year and they are forced to start canceling for similar "security concerns."
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Feb 23, 2018 23:04
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:The inability of Dems to counter this stuff or harness this enormous amount of hatred toward the rich is simply incredible. Democratic Senators have already sided with the GOP and said they'll leave the tax cuts for the rich in place, this is fine because to get elected we need to appeal to moderate Republicans by.....agreeing that Republican policy is good and we should vote for more of it.
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VitalSigns posted:Democratic Senators have already sided with the GOP and said they'll leave the tax cuts for the rich in place, this is fine because to get elected we need to appeal to moderate Republicans by.....agreeing that Republican policy is good and we should vote for more of it. I'm starting to think the Democrats are a bigger threat than the Republicans since the "left" party constantly rocketing to the right opposed to public opinion is half of what's resulting in the GOP going all in on their nazi base in order to make up the electoral slack. They are also setting themselves up to get blamed when the house of cards falls again and will deserve it although the rest of us will be the ones that suffer.
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Radish posted:I'm starting to think the Democrats are a bigger threat than the Republicans since the "left" party constantly rocketing to the right opposed to public opinion is half of what's resulting in the GOP going all in on their nazi base in order to make up the electoral slack. They are also setting themselves up to get blamed when the house of cards falls again and will deserve it although the rest of us will be the ones that suffer. I hope you appreciate how hard of a sell this idea is.
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Until the worthless boomers are dead there will be no change. They are a terrible generation of people - just absolute loving garbage, who largely believe stupid things - and they're going to actively preserve the status quo until they die.
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Office Pig posted:I hope you appreciate how hard of a sell this idea is. I mean yeah I have no misconceptions about that. It's pretty clear that we are screwed unless something crazy happens since the DNC and DCCC seem pretty stocked they get to run people that were Republicans a few years ago against Nazis as that's the only chance they'll have at winning and they are going to fight harder against anyone that wants to stop that plan than any Republican. They would rather risk the types of people like Trump than move an inch left on anything social or economic. Like the Democrats are better than Republicans since the Republicans are going full white supremacist and kill all the poors but the Democrats are supposed to be the counter to that and it seems like they almost don't care and still committed to the gentlemanly game of politics that never really existed. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 00:17 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Feb 23, 2018 23:43
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Office Pig posted:I hope you appreciate how hard of a sell this idea is. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/05/15/u-s-voter-turnout-trails-most-developed-countries/ considering our relatively low turnout rate it's not really that hard a sell
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The whole thing with the DCCC in Texas isn't even the worst thing they've been doing. In the Nebraska 2nd district, the primary is between Brad Ashford and Kara Easton. Ashford brags about being the "most bipartisan member of congress," he voted for the same 2 abortion bills that made Heath Mello get disowned by the national leadership of the democratic party, and was the 2nd most conservative member of the democratic caucus in 2016. Kara Eastman worked in a non-profit and has been endorsed by a poo poo ton of local politicians, is strongly pro-choice, etc. So did the DCCC endorse either of these? Worse, they pretended that Eastman doesn't exist. https://redtoblue.dccc.org/ They already made Ashford one of the key figures in their red to blue strategy. So what did the groups that raised a stink over Heath Mello do? Well, nothing. Emily's list declined to endorse either candidate in a race between the guy who voted with Heath Mello on the same bills that made him toxic and a pro-choice woman. As did pretty much anyone else in the national democratic establishment. The whole thing is so ridiculous that even the NRCC is making fun of democrats for it: https://www.nrcc.org/2017/10/10/voters-decide-wins/
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my favorite candidate profiles on the red to blue page are the ones which hype up their fundraising abilities; at least that's being honest
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joepinetree posted:They already made Ashford one of the key figures in their red to blue strategy. So what did the groups that raised a stink over Heath Mello do? Well, nothing. Emily's list declined to endorse either candidate in a race between the guy who voted with Heath Mello on the same bills that made him toxic and a pro-choice woman. As did pretty much anyone else in the national democratic establishment. But don't you dare call those groups part of the establishment.
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joepinetree posted:The whole thing with the DCCC in Texas isn't even the worst thing they've been doing. heath mello wasn't disowned cause of those bills. he was disowned cause he was bernie adjacent the establishment is virulently anti-left to the point they freeze out people who aren't actually leftist but that a leftist said a nice thing about once
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joepinetree posted:The whole thing with the DCCC in Texas isn't even the worst thing they've been doing. e: I just sent Emily's List a mean email as well. Tired of this poo poo. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Feb 24, 2018 |
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Red to Blue seems like such a waste of everyone's time. There's no guarantee you can get them to vote with you and less that they won't just switch parties. The only explanation I can think of is an insane  one where the Democratic Party expects the Republican Party to totally shatter after Trump and is swooping in to grab those voters and position themselves as the new conservative party.
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Grapplejack posted:The only explanation I can think of is an insane that's pretty close but with an opposition further to their right than to their left, which in their ideal world wouldn't exist at all
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I think that the democrats are sincerely underestimating how close they are to losing a bunch of voters to third parties. Democrats have had a consistent lead in generic ballot polls: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/2018_generic_congressional_vote-6185.html But that comes at the same time that the party's favorability ratings have been in the toilet: https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/cnn-poll-republicans-democrats-taxes/index.html http://news.gallup.com/poll/24655/party-images.aspx On election day in 2006 democratic favorable ratings were t 57%, 2008 at 55%. Right now it's at 44%, which is not far from where it was in the Republican wave of 2010, at 43%. So democrats may be having a wave year at the same time people think they suck. So if they come close but don't get a majority in November (especially if it's because some of the candidates that lose are the ones pushed by the party), or elect a bunch of people who will vote with Trump, there could be open rebellion within the base.
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joepinetree posted:I think that the democrats are sincerely underestimating how close they are to losing a bunch of voters to third parties. Democrats have had a consistent lead in generic ballot polls:
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RuanGacho posted:I would argue there already is, they just don't realize it yet. I think right now people are pissed, but are not openly rebelling. There's a reason all these stories about how much the democratic establishment sucks are about primaries: people still see the democrats as the way to change things, even if they suck. And I would add that the biggest political story no one is paying attention to right now is just how fast the left is taking over the democratic apparatus in the areas of the country that democrats have decided to ignore (virtually all the democratic candidates in the deep red Georgia house districts are in favor of medicare for all, for example). The other day I read the issues page of the candidate for the GA09 and he was substantially to the left of most democrats in blue states. Yes, they are all super long shots, but when you have 150 longshots, sometimes you hit one. The real question is what happens if, for example, after the DCCC threw it's entire body on the scale for someone like Brad Ashford, Ashford loses. Will people like Kara Eastman even bother going through the dem primary again in 2020? And I know for a fact that there are several people in the immigrant rights community openly talking to people in the movement for a people's party. Now, I don't think I will see a viable third party in my lifetime. But there is enough anger that could seriously disrupt 2020 for the democrats if all the shenanigans being pulled in the name of electability don't pan out or worse, end up leading to a bunch of democrats just enabling Trump.
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I think the thing most left leaning people should take to heart is what is possible is whatever you want to try for because we elected Trump, it's not like there's a bunch of polite society that will have their feathers ruffled and monocle pop out unless they happen to be old guard democrats. The GOP sure doesn't care.
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It feels like every time Trump says something stupid, the Democrats get together to celebrate their (imaginary) large margin of victory for the next election and how they can shrink that margin in exchange for money and favors.
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Argas posted:It feels like every time Trump says something stupid, the Democrats get together to celebrate their (imaginary) large margin of victory for the next election and how they can shrink that margin in exchange for money and favors.
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/967186588856995840 Woke Yglesias?
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icantfindaname posted:Iggy has always been willing to take whatever side of a given argument produces the hottest take He produces good opinions and jokes at least 40% of the time on Twitter, but his bad takes are really bad.
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