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Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
Lol at James Risen trying really hard to put his own head on the chopping block (15:30 to 17:50 or so)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsY70_uIXNc&t=930s

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Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsY70_uIXNc&t=1710s

James Risen, you should have really considered your debate stipulation of "no take backsies" that you are clearly invoking now, as it relates to your remark at 15:30.

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Tom Robinson’s powerful shoulders rippled under his thin shirt. He rose to his feet and stood with his right hand on the back of his chair. He looked oddly off balance, but it was not from the way he was standing. His left arm was fully twelve inches shorter than his right, and hung dead at his side. It ended in a small shriveled hand, and from as far away as the balcony I could see that it was no use to him.

“Scout,” breathed Jem. “Scout, look! Reverend, he’s crippled!”

Reverend Sykes leaned across me and whispered to Jem. “JJe got it caught in a cotton gin, caught it in Mr. Dolphus Raymond’s cotton gin when he was a boy . . . like to bled to death. . . tore all the muscles loose from his bones — ”

Atticus said, “Is this the man who raped you?”

“It most certainly is.”

Atticus ’s next question was one word long. “How?”

Mayella was raging. “I don’t know how he done it, but he done it — Also, it’s an insult to anyone who’s an amputee or shrivel-armed to assume that this disability makes them less of a human and therefore somehow incapable of being a real threat to my virginity. ”

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://twitter.com/pplpolicyproj/status/968124174639206405

Bruenig is less down in this plan than some here

quote:

Ultimately, I suspect the chief benefit of the CAP plan will not be found in its slight substantive differences from other plans but rather in the way in which the CAP brand is able to generate positive reception among validators.

At its core, Medicare Extra intends to use employer-side payroll taxes and progressive individual income taxes to enroll everyone on to a single public insurance plan. It primarily differs from other single payer plans only in that its transitionary period takes the form of inducing employers to switch over all of their workers to Medicare Extra rather than taking the form of phasing in age groups, as Sanders proposes. But because it’s CAP, the reflexive hostility to single payer plans that you get when leftist types propose them is gone.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

What does CAP mean?

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Lawman 0 posted:

What does CAP mean?

C capitalism
A is
P good

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
Bruenig's been bit by the decorum bug. Sorry, once its metastasized, only the guillotine can cure it.

Lawman 0 posted:

What does CAP mean?

Center for American Progress - Neera Tanden's gig

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer

rudatron posted:

Power hierarchies sustain themselves regardless of the intentions of the people involved. Talking about how the answer to the world's problems, is getting the 'right' people in power, who are sufficiently virtuous, is reactionary, because that fundamental power structure dynamic is ignored. You may as well talk about how good a theocracy is, because clearly a pious leadership is more virtuous.

what about getting the "right" people in power who are so blisteringly incompetent that even with infinite resources at their disposal they still can't manage to quash revolutions.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
I follow corbyn on some social media sites and all he seems to talk about lately are Tory cuts to the police lol

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
*leftistly* we will flood the streets with police

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

Bushiz posted:

what about getting the "right" people in power who are so blisteringly incompetent that even with infinite resources at their disposal they still can't manage to quash revolutions.

Lanyards?

loquacius
Oct 21, 2008

GalacticAcid posted:

I follow corbyn on some social media sites and all he seems to talk about lately are Tory cuts to the police lol

Tbf British cops can't kill people since they don't have guns

He might think of them as yet another aspect of infrastructure, we've seen how worked-up he can get about proper trains

Aurubin
Mar 17, 2011

GalacticAcid posted:

I follow corbyn on some social media sites and all he seems to talk about lately are Tory cuts to the police lol

I mean, this may have been author bias but from what I read a lot of the opposition to the cuts are basically "we literally had to shutter our detective bureau and have no means of investigating anything; drugs, white collar, whatever." Which considering the Tories are a bunch of pedophile money laundering bankers, may be intentional.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
sure but that was part of his pitch for the last election too - right after a major terror attack, he started pitching the idea that 'tory policing cuts' made the UK less safe

since he's doubling down on it, i imagine there's some evidence it was effective, which is troubling to me

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
The UK Left talks about crime and funding in terms of officers on the ground and help centers and social programs.

In the US, being "tough on crime" means providing more money for prisons and giving assault rifles to cops.


Violent crime is actually on the rise in the UK, while in the US we usually get brainwashed into thinking crime is through the roof when it's actually level or dropped.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Bruenig is operating under the mistaken charitable assumption that such a program if it ever comes to pass would not be intentionally crippled so that it could not meaningfully compete with the current private offerings

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
ACAB, but funding youth programs and rape kits and stuff is a good thing.

I'm guessing that when funds are cut, the money goes towards maintaining the cops and the preventative stuff is given less money.

ScrubLeague
Feb 11, 2007

Nap Ghost
it extremely kicks rear end that the democratic party will take modest gains in 2018 and then give it all back in 2020 because they have done nothing in the face of the most unpopular administration ever

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Sen. Beto O'Rourke very begrudgingly votes to deregulate financial institutions

FuriousxGeorge
Aug 8, 2007

We've been the best team all year.

They're just finding out.

quote:

Washington (CNN)The Supreme Court said on Monday that it will stay out of the dispute concerning the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program for now, meaning the Trump administration may not be able to end the program March 5 as planned.

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The 9th US Circuit Court of Appeals has generally allowed nationwide injunctions against the Trump administration actions from lower court judges under this President to stand, meaning the DACA program could be spared a year or more until the Supreme Court could take up the case in next year's term, given the likely realities of the calendar.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/26/politics/daca-supreme-court/index.html

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

ScrubLeague posted:

it extremely kicks rear end that the democratic party will take modest gains in 2018 and then give it all back in 2020 because they have done nothing in the face of the most unpopular administration ever

Nah they have done something, made it clear that they really really loving hate Russia and also Russians.

https://twitter.com/jmpalmieri/status/968018520503083009

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
corbyn is actually playing 3D chess with police funding except it works because he's competent

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Great Man Theory....but leftist

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Great Mangosteen Theory

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Ace of Baes posted:

corbyn is actually playing 3D chess with police funding except it works because he's competent

He's competent and his message is always on-point.

"Tories cut our funds, we are less safe."


If a Dem tried to do this it would sound like:

"Our men and women in uniform don't have the tools to kill brown people, please we must work on bipartisan solutions."

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
a final bipartisan solution

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
the police in the UK are still police but comparing them with us police is like saying "you can buy guns in Japan too!"

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
new slogan idea

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Frijolero posted:

Sen. Beto O'Rourke very begrudgingly votes to deregulate financial institutions

I may not agree with the president’s nomination of Sheriff Joe to the Supreme Court, but he is my president.

Mister Fister
May 17, 2008

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
KILL-GORE


I love the smell of dead Palestinians in the morning.
You know, one time we had Gaza bombed for 26 days
(and counting!)
US police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fts7bj-so

UK police: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Kf4kyQabwQ

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

Frijolero posted:

He's competent and his message is always on-point.

"Tories cut our funds, we are less safe."


If a Dem tried to do this it would sound like:

"Our men and women in uniform don't have the tools to kill brown people, please we must work on bipartisan solutions."

hillary literally did this in a debate when she defended the militarization of police with something like "our brave officers in uniforms are being outgunned by urban thug gangs" and i wanted to rip my own loving throat out

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Also, apparently in 1999 a report found that UK police were racist and they took it seriously and addressed it.

Whereas we still have debates among Liberals on whether institutionalized racism even exists.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

If Democrats are going to compromise I'd rather it be a hard leftist compromising so it ends up in the middle, as opposed to the current system of cutting spending, except for military as a compromise

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Kevin Drum is back on his bullshit

https://twitter.com/kdrum/status/968189961764835333

quote:

Two years ago, a Black Lives Matter activist challenged Hillary Clinton about her use of the word superpredator in a 1996 speech. The next day Clinton said she regretted that: “I shouldn’t have used those words, and I wouldn’t use them today.”

Did this kind of confrontation reduce black support for Clinton and contribute to her loss to Donald Trump? That’s impossible to say. However, Bob Somerby flags an interview on C-SPAN with Patrisse Khan-Cullors, one of the founders of BLM, that touches on this question:

Let me say this. The tactic of taking on the Democratic Party I think was very useful in that moment….But I think for folks across the country, including the Democratic Party, we didn’t believe he was going to win. And that actually is the factor here. We didn’t believe he was going to win, and so the time that people spent, the time that the Democratic Party spent—because I don’t want to blame our movement for the reason why Trump got in office; I know you’re not doing that, but some people might see it as such—they could have done a much better job at who they decided to run for president.

Apologies for the navel gazing, but this speaks to one of the things that I’m perpetually unsure about : just how valuable is it for young activists to understand recent history? In this case, the criticism of Clinton was way off base. She used the word once; there was no special racial valence involved; crime really was high and kids really were unusually remorseless in the early 90s; blacks themselves were among the leaders in the tough-on-crime movement of the 70s and 80s; and neither of the Clintons had anything to do with the growth of the carceral state, which long predated them. It’s not just that creating a rift that’s historically naive was pointless, it was also untrue. Whether this confrontation did a little damage or a lot, it shouldn’t have happened.

On the other hand, a constant awareness of the recent past is also a straitjacket. There are lots of things that it prevents me from saying or doing, and naturally I believe that it’s justified. After all, the recent past really did happen. But justified or not, it constrains me. To a certain extent, creating a passionate, vigorous movement depends on starting fresh and not caring about what the oldsters think. Just go out there and get noticed any way you can.

I’m sorry this incident happened to Hillary Clinton. At the same time, it was notice that things needed to change, even if a few people got hurt in the process. Does this mean that, on balance, it was the right thing to do? I still don’t know.

But there’s one thing I do know: if it happened because BLM figured the election was in the bag for Democrats, that was serious political malpractice. Even before Trump won the election, that was something that no political movement should ever think. Hopefully we’ve all learned our lesson now.¹

¹Until there’s a new crop of young activists in 2044, of course, for whom Donald Trump is ancient history.

Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 19:29 on Feb 26, 2018

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!
There just absolutely no way anyone could have predicted that handing down years long prison sentences for minor drug crimes would cause problems :downs:

Prior to the election many people on these very forums were saying that poo poo too.

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Inverted Offensive Battle: Acupuncture Attacks Convert To 3D Penetration Tactics Taking Advantage of Deep Battle Opportunities

The South Park episode where Randy becomes the "n-word guy" comes to mind.

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Old white dude tells young activists that they need to learn history lol

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

What a trash person.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

GalacticAcid posted:

“millennials will do socialism when the boomers die” is “demographics are destiny” for c-spam

absolutely

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ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

MaxxBot posted:

There just absolutely no way anyone could have predicted that handing down years long prison sentences for minor drug crimes would cause problems :downs:

Prior to the election many people on these very forums were saying that poo poo too.

He also brings out the old canard of "black leaders wanted [1 out 15 black males imprisoned]"

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