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Shaggar posted:so your saying facebook should have told Clinton to try again with an ad that didn't make her look bad? "try some race baiting - conversion data indicates it's very popular"
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the election came down to like 100,000 votes so what "caused" the loss is actually any one of like 8 different things because basically anything that could cause a tiny fluctuation in popular opinion could have blown it one direction or another. clinton ran an abysmally bad campaign that deserves most of the blame, facebook as a vehicle prioritized complete lies and inflammatory poo poo over everything else (both over clinton's stuff and just other things in general), russia had a fun time throwing wrenches in everything, etc. these all were the "cause" and yet none of them were. now if you take a step back, getting to the point where the election was decided by those 100,000 votes in the first place when it never should have gotten anywhere near as close as that, yes that's 100% clinton running a loving terrible campaign.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:22
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Shaggar posted:so your saying facebook should have told Clinton to try again with an ad that didn't make her look bad? i'm saying facebook should treat all advertisers exactly the same if their main defense plan is to throw up their hands and say "we don't try to manipulate the messages you're hearing", which would be a bad plan because they obviously do
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Feb 27, 2018 17:24
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the DNC cheated its own party and ran a completely tonedeaf campaign featuring the most hated woman in america
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flakeloaf posted:i'm saying facebook should treat all advertisers exactly the same if their main defense plan is to throw up their hands and say "we don't try to manipulate the messages you're hearing", which would be a bad plan because they obviously do both campaigns were treated equally and they failed or succeeded on their own merits.
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So your argument is that it's morally superior to run a campaign built on racism, xenophobia and outright lies than to be smug and out-of-touch? No one is arguing that telling the people what they want to hear is a better way of getting their votes, but you're the only person who keeps saying "yeah but Clinton"
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ate all the Oreos posted:the election came down to like 100,000 votes so what "caused" the loss is actually any one of like 8 different things because basically anything that could cause a tiny fluctuation in popular opinion could have blown it one direction or another. clinton ran an abysmally bad campaign that deserves most of the blame, facebook as a vehicle prioritized complete lies and inflammatory poo poo over everything else (both over clinton's stuff and just other things in general), russia had a fun time throwing wrenches in everything, etc. these all were the "cause" and yet none of them were. on the microcauses u forgot comey's october surprise on the macrocauses: you have to give plenty of credit to decades of partisan polarization, and the aforementioned EC
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:no i'm p sure the solution to traffic is "more cars" hey mr. Ford are you running for mayor of Toronto again?!
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Sagebrush posted:So your argument is that it's morally superior to run a campaign built on racism, xenophobia and outright lies than to be smug and out-of-touch? Do you not understand how a bad campaign that's smug and out of touch turns voters off? This isn't a good campaign that's overrun by trump populism, its a very bad campaign that's even easier to overrun with trump populism. She could have run a good campaign but decided not to because she litterrally believed the bullshit in her marketing about her being destined to rule.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:58
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all of the things being discussed here can be true simultaneously
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Feb 27, 2018 18:00
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haveblue posted:reminder that that sort of price discrimination for political ads is illegal on tv and print, they just haven’t updated it to cover internet yet i'd like to hear more about this since i figured they threw out all of those laws under reagan when they axed the fairness doctrine more specifically how something regulating print in that way wouldn't cover internet ads
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Feb 27, 2018 18:11
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Shaggar posted:Do you not understand how a bad campaign that's smug and out of touch turns voters off? This isn't a good campaign that's overrun by trump populism, its a very bad campaign that's even easier to overrun with trump populism. more people voted for hillary. now you are going to move the goal posts from the content of the ads to their targeting
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Feb 27, 2018 18:14
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Shaggar posted:so your saying facebook should have told Clinton to try again with an ad that didn't make her look bad? reminder that facebook offered dedicated embedded ad specialists and assistance to both campaigns (standard for large ad buyers) and the big brain super genius digital consultants at Hillary’s campaign were like nah we got this. not the only reason she lost and it’s a real bad look for fb but never forget that her campaign was real bad
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Feb 27, 2018 18:32
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The myth of facebook causing Clinton's loss is the saddest and most embarrassing thing for the democrats and they need to ditch the narrative fast unless they want to lose again in 2020. its even worse when they start threatening censorship unless facebook does what they want.
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hey guys remember biohacking “I want to take care of my body in best way possible,” Greenfield said during a webinar earlier this month, in which he spoke to listeners while walking on a treadmill. Part of that, he said, means “having fun with using what science has given us to make the body better.” ... In November, Greenfield visited U.S. Stem Cell, a controversial clinic in Florida, to have his penis injected with his own stem cells. If the name of the clinic seems familiar, that’s because it’s the same Florida clinic that last year unintentionally blinded three patients in a clinical trial of an unproven stem cell therapy. ... “I wanted to go from good to great, and to get a bigger dick,” he told Gizmodo. “I’m not going to lie, that’s why guys without erectile dysfunction would do this.”
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Feb 27, 2018 18:39
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Then he rattled of a laundry list of “modern assailants,” including cellphones, and a list of problems including autism and erectile dysfunction that he believes may be related.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:44
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infernal machines posted:how long do reckon before these dipshits start developing megatumors and wind up looking like that guy in robocop that got doused in toxic waste? you know that guy who injected himself with the one "makes dogs really muscly" gene? i'm gonna say it's already happening and he just can't tell yet
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Shaggar posted:Do you not understand how a bad campaign that's smug and out of touch turns voters off? This isn't a good campaign that's overrun by trump populism, its a very bad campaign that's even easier to overrun with trump populism. Hot take: the people who bit on Trump's racism, xenophobia, and scapegoating wouldn't have voted Clinton no matter how good her campaign was.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:46
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not entirely true, but also Clinton's prime demo would have turned out in larger numbers had she not had terrible ads that made everyone want to stay home.
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infernal machines posted:how long do reckon before these dipshits start developing megatumors and wind up looking like that guy in robocop that got doused in toxic waste?
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Shaggar posted:The myth of facebook causing Clinton's loss is the saddest and most embarrassing thing for the democrats and they need to ditch the narrative fast unless they want to lose again in 2020. its even worse when they start threatening censorship unless facebook does what they want. nah dems need to put the fear of god into fb. republicans are already doing that see the whole trending news thing and the wired article about fbs horrible year where zucks takeaway was to be nicer to Rupert Murdoch lol
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FMguru posted:supposedly one of the side effects of dosing your body with hgh is that it activates the growth of small tumors that had been lying dormant apparently it can also make your intestines and other organs get larger and start protruding like a beergut
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every time a conversation turns to biohacking I can't help but hear the text aloud in jk simmons' voice
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haveblue posted:every time a conversation turns to biohacking I can't help but hear the text aloud in jk simmons' voice this but troy "bear suit" hurtubise
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:apparently it can also make your intestines and other organs get larger and start protruding like a beergut you know that horrible disease that hervé villechaize had, that caused him lifelong pain and an early death? how about that but you're full size and also you did it to yourself?
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infernal machines posted:you know that horrible disease that hervé villechaize had, that caused him lifelong pain and an early death? how about that but you're full size and also you did it to yourself? de blockchain, boss de blockchain
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graph posted:the DNC cheated its own party and ran a completely tonedeaf campaign featuring the most hated woman in america i think if you examine the issues you will conclude that saying a women in 2016 can't use the same policies as a man in 1996 is incredibly sexist
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r u saying.... sexism.... in America?!?!?!?!!!
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Rip blackberry
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FMguru posted:supposedly one of the side effects of dosing your body with hgh is that it activates the growth of small tumors that had been lying dormant I learned on Radiolab that this was exactly what happened when they first discovered telomerase "Hey, this stuff prevents cells from aging and dying! Let's inject it into creatures and see what happens!" *Rat turns into Tetsuo from Akira*
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Sagebrush posted:I learned on Radiolab that this was exactly what happened when they first discovered telomerase man we're gonna have so many fun new bizarre manmade diseases in a few decades aren't we
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Also just incidentally whoever does radiolab's foley ("huh??") should be dragged (scraping noises, man shouting "no, no!") into the street (cars honking, doors slamming) and executed (gunshot, funeral march, spooky grim reaper laugh)
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he's why I don't listen to radiolab, someone told me to try it and I didn't last very long
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so basically in the style of old radio serials?
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The topics are interesting enough most of the time and the people they interview are usually smart and cool but good lord, the loving sound effects all the loving time In that episode they were also discussing the hayflick limit, which is how a cell has sort of internal counter that stops it from dividing after some number of divisions. So of course to illustrate this they have a voice in the background chanting "1, 2, 3, 4" because apparently they think their listeners are mouthbreathing cretins who don't understand the concept of "counting"
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infernal machines posted:so basically in the style of old radio serials? No, like a hundred times worse. Old radio serials used sound effects for illustration and mood setting. Radiolab uses them like a toddler uses glitter
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FMguru posted:supposedly one of the side effects of dosing your body with hgh is that it activates the growth of small tumors that had been lying dormant a rising tide lifts all boats Sagebrush posted:Also just incidentally whoever does radiolab's foley ("huh??") should be dragged (scraping noises, man shouting "no, no!") into the street (cars honking, doors slamming) and executed (gunshot, funeral march, spooky grim reaper laugh) i only managed to make it through one radiolab and i'm never doing it again for exactly this reason.
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Sagebrush posted:The topics are interesting enough most of the time and the people they interview are usually smart and cool but good lord, the loving sound effects all the loving time i agree. it's a shame that some really interesting content gets marred by such godawful sound effects.
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Midjack posted:a rising tide lifts all boats and now we're drowning, rear end in a top hat. Sagebrush posted:because apparently they think their listeners are mouthbreathing cretins well, you were listening, weren't you?
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