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pog boyfriend posted:build tank support standard items but 4th item get an infinity edge and never explain why to your team, just keep saying "dont worry about it" if they ask triforce taric and when someone asks just a series of different links but theyre all skinner tapping his nose
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pog boyfriend posted:if you think the items are boring get an infinity edge. now that is interesting IEdge is just a stat stick, but it's a stat stick that gives you a lot more personal power than you had before. "Giving you more personal agency" has been a persistent problem with support items, especially melee support items. Building Knight's Vow is great for your ADC, but all it does for you is give you some alright stats and a bit more survivability that's contingent on another player's participation. Locket's a little better, but you're still primarily buying it for your team. Camel Camus posted:Tank supports had a great run for like a month but now it's back to spamming targeted poke on Janna, Nami and Lulu until the enemy ADC gets bored and goes afk so botlane is poo poo again. Certain tank supports are still popular, but it's slowly starting to feel like the end of season 7 again. Varus is untouched, Kog got mostly de-nerfed, and Ardent's back to being first priority on every enchanter. Bone Plating's making all-ins difficult unless you have a proactive ADC stripping it away beforehand. It's not impossible to win into these lanes, but it's a lot more frustrating than before.
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Feb 27, 2018 01:44
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im not afraid to go archangel/ludens -> redemption -> locket on xerath, but i just wish i had something actually interesting for that 1st item on taric that gives me a Fun Spike like ludens echo does for xerath/other wizard
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Feb 27, 2018 01:50
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lmao I just went Archangels -> Ludens on Lux and my mana shield was 800 hp
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Feb 27, 2018 04:43
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best part of playing support lee sin is the part where you get a titanic hydra
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Feb 27, 2018 04:48
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pog boyfriend posted:build tank support standard items but 4th item get an infinity edge and never explain why to your team, just keep saying "dont worry about it" if they ask Back when league was new and lanes barely existed one of the guys i playes with was a blitz main whod buy infinity edge before boots and oneshot people with his e Beta/season 1 was the best
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Feb 27, 2018 04:59
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What are some fun gimmick builds right now? I'm planning to mess around with a friend learning the game and want to do something stupid like old AP Nasus or full AD rune + E max pre-rework Sion.
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Feb 27, 2018 06:29
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Power of Pecota posted:What are some fun gimmick builds right now? I'm planning to mess around with a friend learning the game and want to do something stupid like old AP Nasus or full AD rune + E max pre-rework Sion. Rageblade Varus, except that it's not actually a gimmick and is the best way to play him.
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Feb 27, 2018 06:53
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I'm in my gold v promos, two wins to go 🤞folks
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Feb 27, 2018 08:27
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Power of Pecota posted:What are some fun gimmick builds right now? I'm planning to mess around with a friend learning the game and want to do something stupid like old AP Nasus or full AD rune + E max pre-rework Sion. Crit Thresh is one I've seen floating around lately.
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Feb 27, 2018 08:47
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played against support swain the other day which was rancid aids to lane against but he fell off pretty badly later
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Feb 27, 2018 08:50
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strong bird posted:im not afraid to go archangel/ludens -> redemption -> locket on xerath, but i just wish i had something actually interesting for that 1st item on taric that gives me a Fun Spike like ludens echo does for xerath/other wizard Frozen Fist.
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Feb 27, 2018 09:17
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Power of Pecota posted:What are some fun gimmick builds right now? I'm planning to mess around with a friend learning the game and want to do something stupid like old AP Nasus or full AD rune + E max pre-rework Sion. ap malphite AP Malphite AP MALPHITE
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Feb 27, 2018 09:34
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Just finished my first ever promos W4 L6 Silver IV. Yay
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Feb 27, 2018 12:22
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unpopular opinion: ezreal is a niche pick that is generally bad
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Feb 27, 2018 13:37
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Japex posted:unpopular opinion: ezreal is a niche pick that is generally bad Actually a fairly popular opinion in my experience.
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Rygar201 posted:I'm in my gold v promos, two wins to go 🤞folks good luck Rygar!!
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Power of Pecota posted:What are some fun gimmick builds right now? I'm planning to mess around with a friend learning the game and want to do something stupid like old AP Nasus or full AD rune + E max pre-rework Sion. Speed Taric. Just buy all the movement increasing items and run around the map stunning fools
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Feb 27, 2018 15:40
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Japex posted:unpopular opinion: ezreal is a niche pick that is generally bad Nah he's actually pretty good just the average player sucks poo poo on him and uses q in lane to farm instead of harass. The last Ezreal I supported didn't even auto except to last hit so he got his rear end shoved under tower and was irrelevant the whole game.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:16
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He’s pretty dependent on a good support since every adc in the game out pushes him and he has worst in class health and aspd without his passive.
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Feb 27, 2018 16:41
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Old Maokai ult is now an item kinda, neato
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Feb 27, 2018 16:42
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duck trucker posted:Speed Taric. Just buy all the movement increasing items and run around the map stunning fools Boots, Ardent, Coin, DMP, Righteous Glory, Triforce. Not the worst build assuming opponents have little magic damage.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:34
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its curtains for Kevin posted:He’s pretty dependent on a good support since every adc in the game out pushes him and he has worst in class health and aspd without his passive. Is having the lowest aspd an issue in a game without denies? Like, I get that the support can trade easier, but it doesn't seem like the end of the world. I know I sound like an rear end in a top hat, but I'm coming from 1500 hours of dota2 and have that honest question.
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Feb 27, 2018 17:45
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Elephunk posted:Is having the lowest aspd an issue in a game without denies? Like, I get that the support can trade easier, but it doesn't seem like the end of the world. I know I sound like an rear end in a top hat, but I'm coming from 1500 hours of dota2 and have that honest question. it means you trade like poo poo compared to the other carries
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Feb 27, 2018 17:47
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Also you can't push towers down for poo poo which is kind of the ADCs thing
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Feb 27, 2018 18:11
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Elephunk posted:Is having the lowest aspd an issue in a game without denies? Like, I get that the support can trade easier, but it doesn't seem like the end of the world. I know I sound like an rear end in a top hat, but I'm coming from 1500 hours of dota2 and have that honest question. If your spells are on CD the only other way to push is to keep auto attacking. Medicore base AS exacerbates Ezreal's wave pushing issues and makes his early game trading mediocre when it's that much harder for him to last hit a creep and also try to auto attack the carry that has better AS. Ezreal's tower killing is actually pretty good because he can supercharge his AS and proc sheen easily on it, but actually pushing to the turret before the enemy returns to lane is difficult for him without having a support that can help him clear the wave.
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Feb 27, 2018 18:19
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Power of Pecota posted:What are some fun gimmick builds right now? I'm planning to mess around with a friend learning the game and want to do something stupid like old AP Nasus or full AD rune + E max pre-rework Sion. Is comet Q poke Malphite support still a thing? Also, regarding ADC: because of what some people have been saying about poke, are there any ADC matchups where bone plating + second wind as secondary runes make sense?
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Feb 27, 2018 18:23
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There are no adc matchups, only support matchups.
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its curtains for Kevin posted:There are no adc matchups, only support matchups. Wisdom
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Vermain posted:Super interesting experimental change on the PBE: If the effect doesn't scale with health in some way like radius, then they turned locket from a item that benefits tank supports more then shield spammers to something that will just have the janna or lulu already sitting on top of the ADC pop it and make it even stronger with their shield spam buffing up their health, this benefits supports sitting in the back healing and shielding way more then the melee going out front away from the ADC to peel the threats. Which will also effectively gut tank supports because they will be down their currently best item for keeping the backline alive against what they can't peel. Ra Ra Rasputin fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:If the effect doesn't scale with health in some way like radius, then they turned locket from a item that benefits tank supports more then shield spammers to something that will just have the janna or lulu already sitting on top of the ADC pop it and make it even stronger with their shield spam buffing up their health, this benefits supports sitting in the back healing and shielding way more then the melee going out front away from the ADC to peel the threats. Yeah, good points. I'd say the big issue is that it'll end up becoming a first buy on basically every support, since, unlike Redemption/old Locket, it's not dependent on other stats to unlock its full effect. You already saw it appearing on Janna and the like, but you at least wanted to hold off until you completed some healing/shielding power to make it worthwhile. I think tank supports are in a bad spot itemization-wise. Pure tank items generally aren't appealing on the traditional tank supports because they have some kind of inbuilt durability that exceeds a normal tank's in exchange for less damage/CC, so they're generally not prioritizing regular tank items early on. There's only three real tank support items (Zeke's, Locket, Vow), only two of them have any real value (mainly due to how loving clunky Zeke's is), and only one of them (Vow) is kept out of the hands of enchanters. You're gonna end up building Vow/Locket in 99% of your games as your first two item, and only Locket is especially satisfying to have. Building poo poo on tank supports just feels completely "bleh" - there's no sense of excitement when you finally finish your core, just a vague sense that you're now finally free to build other poo poo without your team yelling at you. At the risk of sounding silly, it might be worthwhile for them to start looking into creating more support items that are specifically gated by owning one of the fully upgraded Aspect items. I suspect part of the reason that tank support items have been kept so underwhelming is that they don't want the jungle in pro play to devolve into 100% tank picks with everyone rushing cheap-but-powerful support tank items with their greater incomes. Locking them specifically to support would prevent that, although it's an admittedly hamfisted method.
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Vermain posted:Words on tank supps Agreed, I play a lot of tank supps and while I like the new runes, items do suck balls especially after they dropped the choices between fotm/equinox. One of the things I've always disliked about CC supports is that once you've pushed your buttons, you're flailing about uselessly until your cooldowns come back up. At least with fotm/locket etc you've got a couple more things to contribute. Maaaaybe you could have some sort of item that builds charges based on how many people you CC - I dunno, after it charges you can put a shield on someone, or buff them majorly for 2 seconds or something. It would provide a bit more 'haptic feedback' than slightly reducing the ADCs damage taken before they're deleted. It would encourage more fights too
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el dingo posted:Maaaaybe you could have some sort of item that builds charges based on how many people you CC - I dunno, after it charges you can put a shield on someone, or buff them majorly for 2 seconds or something. It would provide a bit more 'haptic feedback' than slightly reducing the ADCs damage taken before they're deleted. It would encourage more fights too I don't think that would work unless you tied the shield to the tanks stats, which it seems like they want to move away from, or else it's going to just be another tank item that Janna uses almost as well as tanks. Make it something that charges based on the amount of hits/cc you tank ties it into being a tank item in a way that's harder for ranged supports to use.
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Crazy Larry posted:I don't think that would work unless you tied the shield to the tanks stats, which it seems like they want to move away from, or else it's going to just be another tank item that Janna uses almost as well as tanks. Make it something that charges based on the amount of hits/cc you tank ties it into being a tank item in a way that's harder for ranged supports to use. That's a better idea, yeah. Hell, you could make it a set of items based on different support types - soak up damage to build charges, heal team mates to build charge, shield a certain amount of damage etc
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Endorph posted:make tank items that only melee champs can buy This is also fine, as long as Thresh and Rakan are recategorized.
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Cut threshes aa range in half and have flay always aa at the max bonus damage
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Vermain posted:This is also fine, as long as Thresh and Rakan are recategorized. Bug fix: Thresh no longer counts as being both ranged and melee when on red team.
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Take away thresh E bonus damage but let him have two charges of flay
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Give Lucian a black panther skin and then nerf his ult cooldown
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