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SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Focusing on grammar rather than the argument is the easiest way to be dismissive and deflect away from the discussion and that's why "not all men" is a thing. It's a tactic. And it's obnoxious.

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Oct 30, 2009

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Picnic Princess posted:

Focusing on grammar rather than the argument is the easiest way to be dismissive and deflect away from the discussion and that's why "not all men" is a thing. It's a tactic. And it's obnoxious.

Agreed but this post could have been one better complete sentence by using commas instead of one longer sentence and two shorter sentences.

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

Waffleman_ posted:

Then stop saying MRA bullshit.

I didn't say any MRA bullshit, though. I said "Don't inadvertently insult large groups of people," which made people leap like four conclusions away about what I believe, none of which are true.

edit: Is this like the euphemism treadmill, except it's the political beliefs treadmill?

Picnic Princess posted:

Focusing on grammar rather than the argument is the easiest way to be dismissive and deflect away from the discussion and that's why "not all men" is a thing. It's a tactic. And it's obnoxious.


Grammar determines what you are actually saying, though. I had no idea the person in question was APPARENTLY limiting what they said to 'but only sometimes, you know?' If I want to say "I do not love penguins," and I leave out the word 'not,' it's entirely reasonable for somebody to misunderstand what I MEANT to say, because I actually said something entirely different. The same is true for grammatically vague sentences.

John Lee has a new favorite as of 03:11 on Feb 11, 2018

ArtIsResistance
May 19, 2007

QUEEN OF FRANCE, SAVIOR OF LOWTAX
who hurt you guys?

John Lee
Mar 2, 2013

A time traveling adventure everyone can enjoy

I definitely think women are cool and worthy of respect. Women face many varied problems, and it sucks, and we should all try and do better as a society. These are my beliefs.



edit:

Phlegmish posted:

Don't let the PYF tear drinkers trick you into revealing details about your personal life, come on dude. It sounds like you have serious issues going on.


Yeah, you're probably right.

John Lee has a new favorite as of 04:06 on Feb 11, 2018

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Don't let the PYF tear drinkers trick you into revealing details about your personal life, come on dude. It sounds like you have serious issues going on.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness
Yeah, I support that edit (but you should also like, honestly consider a therapist or something, I'm a little worried about the legal issues you've got going on there with your mom and a confidential place to talk it might be wise)

Beef Jerky Robot
Sep 20, 2009

"And the DICK?"

Grey Fox posted:

I don't know about any of that, but the front of the car looks kind of rad



Looks like it sucked a lemon

:v:

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

My uncle, thankfully by marriage to my aunt and not any biological relation, used to call my kindergarten-age cousin a "little human being" for running around the house in briefs. Which of course his mother had bought for him, because he was a loving child who had no say over his underwear, and I don't think they even make kid-sized boxers. That cousin's in middle school now, and needless to say has some issues.

I'm really hoping my cousin turns out gay, because gently caress that uncle.

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

Knormal posted:

My uncle, thankfully by marriage to my aunt and not any biological relation, used to call my kindergarten-age cousin a "little human being" for running around the house in briefs. Which of course his mother had bought for him, because he was a loving child who had no say over his underwear, and I don't think they even make kid-sized boxers. That cousin's in middle school now, and needless to say has some issues.

I'm really hoping my cousin turns out gay, because gently caress that uncle.
Yeah, that'd sure teach him (???)

Knormal
Nov 11, 2001

Strudel Man posted:

Yeah, that'd sure teach him (???)
Not in a "prove him right" sort of way, just because he's the kind of rear end in a top hat who would be really disturbed by having his son turn out to be gay and could stand to learn a lesson.

Haifisch
Nov 13, 2010

Objection! I object! That was... objectionable!



Taco Defender

Knormal posted:

Not in a "prove him right" sort of way, just because he's the kind of rear end in a top hat who would be really disturbed by having his son turn out to be gay and could stand to learn a lesson.
Karma like this sounds nice but the reality is probably that your uncle would be an even bigger rear end in a top hat to his son, causing more unnecessary trauma to the kid. :smith:

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
I think it would be great if the uncle had a change of heart years before it matters to the kid.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer
I think it would be better if your uncle turns out to be gay and your cousin bullies him for it for eighteen years.

Tired Moritz
Mar 25, 2012

wish Lowtax would get tired of YOUR POSTS

(n o i c e)
have you guys thought of writing scripts for gay porn

Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

Knormal posted:

My uncle, thankfully by marriage to my aunt and not any biological relation, used to call my kindergarten-age cousin a "little human being" for running around the house in briefs. Which of course his mother had bought for him, because he was a loving child who had no say over his underwear, and I don't think they even make kid-sized boxers. That cousin's in middle school now, and needless to say has some issues.

I'm really hoping my cousin turns out gay, because gently caress that uncle.

Boxers loving suck, anyway. Feels like wearing two pairs of pants.

Trig Discipline
Jun 3, 2008

Please leave the room if you think this might offend you.
Grimey Drawer

Tired Moritz posted:

have you guys thought of writing scripts for gay porn

only every day of my life

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.

Schubalts posted:

Boxers loving suck, anyway. Feels like wearing two pairs of pants.

I prefer briefs for the same reason girls wear bras - support. Lift and Separate :v:

Beachcomber
May 21, 2007

Another day in paradise.


Slippery Tilde
Boxers are freedom.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin
Nahh. My boys need a home.

The MSJ
May 17, 2010

Tired Moritz posted:

have you guys thought of writing scripts for gay porn

I think of stories for porn, but it always evolves into setups for bigger things. Like my story about a small-breasted woman who meets a man who bullied her in school for being flat. She ends up alone with him and challenged him that he wouldn’t be horny if she strips. They end up loving of course but then I mentally added a continuation where she finds out he was an abuse victim and they end up an actual couple and help each other face life until they are married and have grandkids. Or my Dracula porn idea that ends with a vampirized Mina Harker killing Dracula and then declaring herself the new ruler of Transylvania who promises a peaceful world where vampires and humans can together, and Dracula’s liberated brides can finally become doctors and entrepreneurs.

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Keep going I'm almost there

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
Reminds me of the Mitchell and Webb sketch where two people share an office, and one of them writes porn for a living - Mitchell's character has a lot to keep in mind, as Webb finds out when trying it for himself due to thinking it's easy, like sponsorship - They need neutrality or sponsors will whine, she can't gently caress the Sky TV installer, because then she'll need to gently caress the TalkTalk installer, the BT installer, the Freeview man and every other TV installation company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoD6R7N1Iz4

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

The MSJ posted:

I think of stories for porn, but it always evolves into setups for bigger things. Like my story about a small-breasted woman who meets a man who bullied her in school for being flat. She ends up alone with him and challenged him that he wouldn’t be horny if she strips. They end up loving of course but then I mentally added a continuation where she finds out he was an abuse victim and they end up an actual couple and help each other face life until they are married and have grandkids. Or my Dracula porn idea that ends with a vampirized Mina Harker killing Dracula and then declaring herself the new ruler of Transylvania who promises a peaceful world where vampires and humans can together, and Dracula’s liberated brides can finally become doctors and entrepreneurs.

My friend, have you heard of the wonders of anime

Choco1980
Feb 22, 2013

I fell in love with a Video Nasty

The MSJ posted:

I think of stories for porn, but it always evolves into setups for bigger things. Like my story about a small-breasted woman who meets a man who bullied her in school for being flat. She ends up alone with him and challenged him that he wouldn’t be horny if she strips. They end up loving of course but then I mentally added a continuation where she finds out he was an abuse victim and they end up an actual couple and help each other face life until they are married and have grandkids. Or my Dracula porn idea that ends with a vampirized Mina Harker killing Dracula and then declaring herself the new ruler of Transylvania who promises a peaceful world where vampires and humans can together, and Dracula’s liberated brides can finally become doctors and entrepreneurs.

That Dracula one almost sounds like a Jess Franco movie, only mildly interesting. So I guess, a Jean Rollin movie.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


John Lee posted:

Grammar determines what you are actually saying, though. I had no idea the person in question was APPARENTLY limiting what they said to 'but only sometimes, you know?' If I want to say "I do not love penguins," and I leave out the word 'not,' it's entirely reasonable for somebody to misunderstand what I MEANT to say, because I actually said something entirely different. The same is true for grammatically vague sentences.
The word "not" in that statement completely reverses the meaning though. Not all words are equally important. For example, if you remove the word "do" instead then the grammar is wrong but the meaning is still quite clear.

In the phrase "men get REAL upset about that" you could read an implied "all" at the beginning, but you could also read an implied "some", and it's pretty clear which of those is the more reasonable interpretation. Is this person making the extraordinary claim that there is some topic about which literally all men share a single viewpoint and response, or are they making the much more reasonable assertion that some significant number of (but not all) men react in similar ways? If you have some reason to believe that the specific person you're talking to is likely to make absurd claims of that type then it might be justified to assume they meant "all", but the vast majority of people would have intended the more reasonable of the two options.

When you respond to a statement along the lines of "men do this" with "not all men" you're making the choice to interpret the statement in the least reasonable way, implying that the person who said it is unreasonable. It's just a way to discredit their argument or viewpoint without actually engaging with it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Tiggum posted:

The word "not" in that statement completely reverses the meaning though. Not all words are equally important. For example, if you remove the word "do" instead then the grammar is wrong but the meaning is still quite clear.

In the phrase "men get REAL upset about that" you could read an implied "all" at the beginning, but you could also read an implied "some", and it's pretty clear which of those is the more reasonable interpretation. Is this person making the extraordinary claim that there is some topic about which literally all men share a single viewpoint and response, or are they making the much more reasonable assertion that some significant number of (but not all) men react in similar ways? If you have some reason to believe that the specific person you're talking to is likely to make absurd claims of that type then it might be justified to assume they meant "all", but the vast majority of people would have intended the more reasonable of the two options.

When you respond to a statement along the lines of "men do this" with "not all men" you're making the choice to interpret the statement in the least reasonable way, implying that the person who said it is unreasonable. It's just a way to discredit their argument or viewpoint without actually engaging with it.

Sir, this is a Wendy's

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Tiggum posted:

The word "not" in that statement completely reverses the meaning though. Not all words are equally important. For example, if you remove the word "do" instead then the grammar is wrong but the meaning is still quite clear.

In the phrase "men get REAL upset about that" you could read an implied "all" at the beginning, but you could also read an implied "some", and it's pretty clear which of those is the more reasonable interpretation. Is this person making the extraordinary claim that there is some topic about which literally all men share a single viewpoint and response, or are they making the much more reasonable assertion that some significant number of (but not all) men react in similar ways? If you have some reason to believe that the specific person you're talking to is likely to make absurd claims of that type then it might be justified to assume they meant "all", but the vast majority of people would have intended the more reasonable of the two options.

When you respond to a statement along the lines of "men do this" with "not all men" you're making the choice to interpret the statement in the least reasonable way, implying that the person who said it is unreasonable. It's just a way to discredit their argument or viewpoint without actually engaging with it.

But tiggum, not all men act this ingenuous

ChickenOfTomorrow
Nov 11, 2012

god damn it, you've got to be kind

the patriarchy is one hell of a drug. and it affects everyone.

y'all men, for example, get toxic masculinity and ICE FOREST BLAST shower gel; women get rape culture and the very real fear that every man they say "no" to could kill them.



in conclusion, systems of oppression are a land of contrasts.

Garrand
Dec 28, 2012

Rhino, you did this to me!

gently caress it, this thing is stupid.

CATTASTIC
Mar 31, 2010

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Garrand posted:

gently caress it, this thing is stupid.

Please don't plagiarise my pick-up lines

Arbitrary Number
Nov 10, 2012

goons get real upset

cakesmith handyman
Jul 22, 2007

Pip-Pip old chap! Last one in is a rotten egg what what.

Arbitrary Number posted:

goons get real upset

All or most?

RandomPauI
Nov 24, 2006


Grimey Drawer
The most real upset.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

Hold that pose.
I've gotta get something.

#yesallgoons

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Oy.

Google Shopping (not Google Search, just Google Shopping) has long prohibited firearms sales. But today, it's gone even further, and started blocking searches for them.

Only trouble is, the way it implemented this blocking was to just flat-out block any search that includes the word 'gun.' Or 'Colt.' Or a number of others.

So you cannot find any Indianapolis Colts merchandise, you cannot find Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy DVDs, you cannot find glue guns, or Sex Pistols albums.

http://www.businessinsider.com/google-shopping-bans-gun-searches-water-guns-guns-n-roses-2018-2

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

Phanatic posted:


So you cannot find any Indianapolis Colts merchandise, you cannot find Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy DVDs, you cannot find glue guns, or Sex Pistols albums.

If it saves even one life...

Bunni-kat
May 25, 2010

Service Desk B-b-bunny...
How can-ca-caaaaan I
help-p-p-p you?

jojoinnit posted:

If it saves even one life...

To be fair, gently caress the Colts and Will Farrell isn’t funny. His best movie is Stranger Than Fiction.

Memento
Aug 25, 2009


Bleak Gremlin

Phanatic posted:

Oy.

Google Shopping (not Google Search, just Google Shopping) has long prohibited firearms sales. But today, it's gone even further, and started blocking searches for them.

Only trouble is, the way it implemented this blocking was to just flat-out block any search that includes the word 'gun.' Or 'Colt.' Or a number of others.

So you cannot find any Indianapolis Colts merchandise, you cannot find Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy DVDs, you cannot find glue guns, or Sex Pistols albums.

http://www.businessinsider.com/google-shopping-bans-gun-searches-water-guns-guns-n-roses-2018-2

These are the terms I put into a google search and clicked the "shopping" tab on

indianapolis colts: no results
Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy DVD: thousands of results
glue gun: thousands of results
sex pistols: no results

Weird and dumb. And I'm pretty sure that the Colts and the Sex Pistols aren't going to be too happy about that.

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Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

They fixed the gun part earlier today.

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