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Lurdiak posted:That's not a good plan if you don't want nazis to love your game. So loving what, why even give a poo poo about what Nazis like? They also love to drink milk, watch japanimation and play Paradox mapgames but I'm not getting rid of those from my life.
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Splicer posted:IMO Warhammer consists entirely of Oh, I just realized that my new campaign setting is just slam sector but less interesting because D&D. Whatever, my irrational love for kobolds continues unabated.
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Plutonis posted:So loving what, why even give a poo poo about what Nazis like? They also love to drink milk, watch japanimation and play Paradox mapgames but I'm not getting rid of those from my life. My goal in life is to have it written on my tombstone “only 63% like Hitler.” If I have to give up alcohol and sex in order to do this, then so be it. Bedlamdan fucked around with this message at 21:00 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Plutonis posted:Warhamemr lore is insanely stupid (said lovingly) but it should be played 100% serious in universe with no irony and winking towards the audience because it's funnier that way I find that super boring and am glad there are people who want to get away from that. I also prefer my writers to care about whether or not there's something in their stories that directly appeals to shitheads so the fandom isn't full of Nazis and bigots.
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Ironic distance is not a prerequisite for socially conscious storytelling (or humor, for that matter.) e: it's the difference between Spaceballs, Verhoeven's Starship Troopers, and Heinlein's Starship Troopers. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Drinking milk, watching bad cartoons, and playing strategy games are all solitary activities. It is categorically and objectively a good thing to try to keep Nazis from latching on to your product that requires a community to work.
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I just think Warhammer already does enough of a good job to portray the Empire as being inefficient and moronic and not something to emulate. For example: The Imperial Guardsman Primer is funny and has stuff like "orks are cowardly midgets you can easily bayonet to death" when you know that's not true.
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The regimental standard articles are perfect for this: https://regimental-standard.com/2018/02/28/tech-heresies-of-the-tau-empire-drones/
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LuiCypher posted:If there are no stat differences based on The FFG fluff for WHFRP of all brettonian questing knights being secretly women who were punished for being knights (by being sent on a quest to redeem themselves) was goddamn brilliant. Also with Space Marines, for the longest time I always looked at them as vague androgynous 3rd sex. Your sex was male, female, SPACE MARINE not in a comical or insulting way but mostly because the models were always just blocks of flesh that occasionally had some hair but had long stopped being people anymore. Unfortunately it's clearly not true anymore so the half hearted efforts of 'you can play a sister of battle but with a super magical relic that makes you as good as a space marine' is both lame and poo poo. Especially since one of the big highlights of being a space marine is that you know the emperor isn't a god or anything so religion is a whole different bag. kingcom fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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, what's stopping any players/GMs? Sure, GW will probably make it so that any text about Space Marines in Wrath and Glory remains true to their fluff (so in short, no).
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the space marine surgery turns you into a bald giant man with three hearts and an acid producing gallbladder no matter what gender you are
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Plutonis posted:the space marine surgery turns you into a bald giant man with three hearts and an acid producing gallbladder no matter what gender you are I'm....kinda alright with this. Whatever you were before, the space marine process turns you into a horrible monster mans
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it's a cop-out imo, because space marines are not depicted as androgynous monsters, they are clearly depicted as large men. the best solution is just to directly retcon in female marines, who cares if it's consistent with past art?
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Just make Sisters of Battle Transhuman or at least give Sisters of Silence upgrades.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:it's a cop-out imo, because space marines are not depicted as androgynous monsters, they are clearly depicted as large men. the best solution is just to directly retcon in female marines, who cares if it's consistent with past art? I'm okay with this. Bedlamdan posted:Just make Sisters of Battle Transhuman or at least give Sisters of Silence upgrades. Problem is, one group are religious fanatics for the most power while the other very much isn't. So you're playing a very different archetype.
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Trollface GW: There were always female space marines. You may know them... As the Alpha Legion!!!
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It’s canon in one of the novels that Fabius Bile considers male only Space Marines to be pointlessly exclusionary, and his own attempts at creating transhumans deliberately avoid making gender a limiting factor
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:it's a cop-out imo, because space marines are not depicted as androgynous monsters, they are clearly depicted as large men. the best solution is just to directly retcon in female marines, who cares if it's consistent with past art? I always felt like the sisters of battle history would be a decent retcon into female space marines. The imperium stumbling into gender equality in its genetic superman cult via religious civil war and interpretations of religious canon (that itself were the opposite of what the Emperor actually wanted) seems perfectly 40k to me.
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There was actually art in the distant past that looked a lot like female space marines in one or two places--but this is back in like Rogue Trader/early WD days. At some point the writers decided to make it a point that all marines are dudes and the notion of female space marines makes a certain kind of warham nearly explode with rage. They're fine with space marines being seven foot tall acid-spitting metal-eating immortals who can survive hard vacuum by going into suspended animation but one of those having a /vagina/?! Impossible. That's what's ridiculous about it, the simple hard misogynistic stop where imagination fails in a certain kind of gamer. This is a setting where Squats used to exist and Necrons did not, and furthermore Necrons are now secret movers and shakers of all galactic history. Retconning in female space marines would be easy. You could also do something interesting with introducing them, as someone dares to suggest that the Emperor made a mistake in only creating males in his own image, or otherwise dealing with it an internal schism in the Imperium--but that would mean the status quo might be slightly altered, unacceptable.
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I just found out that one of Rene Laloux's movies is on youtube and now you all get to know about it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqTvIgtVQwg
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 drat it GW, just let me jerk off to your powerful space knights without feeling gay
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Bedlamdan posted:
And don't go pointing at internet fan porn either, because if it's not from GW it's not Official and that point you may as well be fapping to a recast from China
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Xarbala posted:And don't go pointing at internet fan porn either, because if it's not from GW it's not Official and that point you may as well be fapping to a recast from China The best recasts are actually Russian. сука блять!
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Xarbala posted:And don't go pointing at internet fan porn either, because if it's not from GW it's not Official and that point you may as well be fapping to a recast from China Haha like anyone would do that Haha?
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Is Genesys any good? It looks like FFG's weird-dice Star Wars system divorced from the license, which sounds like my kinda thing.
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food court bailiff posted:Is Genesys any good? It looks like FFG's weird-dice Star Wars system divorced from the license, which sounds like my kinda thing. the FFG star wars system is bad, and genesys is even worse
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Serf posted:the FFG star wars system is bad, and genesys is even worse
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food court bailiff posted:Is Genesys any good? It looks like FFG's weird-dice Star Wars system divorced from the license, which sounds like my kinda thing. That is apparently exactly what it is.
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Can someone elaborate on why it's bad? I don't see anything on the F&F wiki (or maybe it's just under another name, there's so many different "flavors" of the FFG SW stuff it's hard to tell?)
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The core dice and force point system is generally ok, but it’s attached to a really bad character creation, advancement, and gear system, and a mediocre skill system.
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the dice mechanic is fiddly and slows things down a lot as you read dumb characters off the dice and try to divine their meanings. the combat is overly crunchy and also slow but at least FFG star wars has the license to hook into and use as a framework. genesys is basically "here's the same bad mechanics but with nothing to hold onto. good luck making a bunch of classes and talents and poo poo" its a way to sell you even more books that might do what you want
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What are some better mid-to-heavy crunch games that are built around generic systems and building your own setting/races/whatever, then? I don't want to go full GURPS.
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food court bailiff posted:What are some better mid-to-heavy crunch games that are built around generic systems and building your own setting/races/whatever, then? I don't want to go full GURPS. I mean, Strike! comes to mind. Don't know where that lands on your crunch scale.
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food court bailiff posted:What are some better mid-to-heavy crunch games that are built around generic systems and building your own setting/races/whatever, then? I don't want to go full GURPS. Strike! is good. Savage Worlds might be more your speed.
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Chaosium's Basic Roleplaying
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Serf posted:Strike! is good. Savage Worlds might be more your speed. I fell in love with Savage Worlds for a short but passionate while. It was, once figured out, so easy to make poo poo for. In the end though, that kind of ended up being what I kind of don't like about it. Everything ends up so similar, good builds are all the same, and issues with things like shaken being pretty much a skip your turn card made me move on again.
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remusclaw posted:I fell in love with Savage Worlds for a short but passionate while. It was, once figured out, so easy to make poo poo for. In the end though, that kind of ended up being what I kind of don't like about it. Everything ends up so similar, good builds are all the same, and issues with things like shaken being pretty much a skip your turn card made me move on again. I have never been in the GM's seat for the game, but this would actually be a big selling point for me from that standpoint. Taking stats and slapping a name onto it with a different mini/token is huge as a GM. It's one of the reasons I love 4E so much.
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Strike! If you want combat otherwise make Cortex+ hack. This has literally never let me down.
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Serf posted:the FFG star wars system is bad, and genesys is even worse Nuclear take. The dice pool takes about two seconds to "divine" as long as you aren't An Idiot who can't tell a few basic symbols from one another.
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Drone posted:An Idiot who can't tell a few basic symbols from one another. thanks i was looking for a new self-descriptor to use in my cover letters
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Serf posted:the FFG star wars system is bad, and genesys is even worse Without getting too deep down this rabbit hole: If you like FFG Star Wars, you'll like Genesys: FFG Star Wars 1.1 With 100% Less Star Wars. If you don't, you won't. It's a small step forward but it doesn't make many important changes other than making your own talent trees (now called the talent pyramid). The rest of the changes are mostly fixed the jagged edges into less jagged edges.
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