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Hellsau posted:It's probably fine except Midnight Guard gets owned by Bolt and the deck can't beat Counterspells and Mulldrifters and Electrickery is a problem for your plan and you'd be under constant time pressure and actually going infinite isn't really feasible online and your manabase is underwhelming and you get owned by Viridian Longbow pretty hard. That's what I assume the bodyguards and spidersilk armor out of the board are for. By Bananas, I meant "this deck is cool as hell, and I would probably build it in paper"
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Affinity is a good pauper deck right? I was going through my collection today on a lark and discovered I am just a couple cards short of a full list (I even had some Pyroblasts and Hydroblasts from when I was a kid). My LGS runs pauper on Saturday so I was thinking I’d pick up the last couple Carapace Forgers and a Chromatic Star and sleeve this up if I can make it this weekend.
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wisdomHNOX posted:Affinity is a good pauper deck right? I was going through my collection today on a lark and discovered I am just a couple cards short of a full list (I even had some Pyroblasts and Hydroblasts from when I was a kid). My LGS runs pauper on Saturday so I was thinking I’d pick up the last couple Carapace Forgers and a Chromatic Star and sleeve this up if I can make it this weekend. Yeah it's fine, it's just really dependant on your draws. Don't be surprised if you keep a hand with two threats, have them answered, and stare a board of 6 lands, 4 mana artifacts and nothing else after seeing 20 cards.
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Also you'll sometimes randomly lose to a dude running Gorilla Shaman and blowing up all your lands.
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LGS is going to start running pauper, I have no ash barrens but have almost everything else for pauper. What should I run for an unknown field? I’ve played the familiars, the drake flicker deck, UB Teachings, mono blue delver, freed from the real combo, and elves before but haven’t been actively playing lately Expecting elves, mono blue delver, and probably whatever has been most recently featured on mtggoldfish
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Why not use terramorphic or evolving wilds? Sure it comes in tapped, but the cards are like .50 a pop. Ash Barrens is like $7 now, and gently caress a $28 playset when I spent less on the rest of the entire deck. 
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Dehtraen posted:LGS is going to start running pauper, I have no ash barrens but have almost everything else for pauper. What should I run for an unknown field? I’ve played the familiars, the drake flicker deck, UB Teachings, mono blue delver, freed from the real combo, and elves before but haven’t been actively playing lately Elves is good against Elves and Delver, assuming you know the matchup better that the opponent and are willing to play two maindeck Viridian Longbows and the other two in the side to crush the mirror, though you'll probably run into an above average amount of Boros and MBC at a local paper tournament. If you trust yourself to play fast and are willing to politely but firmly insist that your opponents make plays, you can try the Stonehorn Tron deck I posted above - it kind of murders Elves and other Forest decks and Mono-blue Delver is a good matchup because they don't get Pyroblast or really any threatening sideboard cards. Tron will also beat the midrange grinding junk people love playing. You will never finish three games against the average LGS midrange/control player though, and you're lucky if you complete two. Kabuki Shipoopi posted:Why not use terramorphic or evolving wilds? Sure it comes in tapped, but the cards are like .50 a pop. Ash Barrens is like $7 now, and gently caress a $28 playset when I spent less on the rest of the entire deck. Ash Barrens is better than Wilds/Expanse by an enormous margin if you're running Brainstorm or Ponder or bouncelands, and is usually better otherwise. I've played that Familiars deck a whole lot and it's ridiculous how much better Ash Barrens is compared to the other fetches.
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Hellsau posted:Elves is good against Elves and Delver, assuming you know the matchup better that the opponent and are willing to play two maindeck Viridian Longbows and the other two in the side to crush the mirror, though you'll probably run into an above average amount of Boros and MBC at a local paper tournament. If you trust yourself to play fast and are willing to politely but firmly insist that your opponents make plays, you can try the Stonehorn Tron deck I posted above - it kind of murders Elves and other Forest decks and Mono-blue Delver is a good matchup because they don't get Pyroblast or really any threatening sideboard cards. Tron will also beat the midrange grinding junk people love playing. You will never finish three games against the average LGS midrange/control player though, and you're lucky if you complete two. I like playing elves if there are less MBC players in the room and you don’t have to play the mirror. I feel like with other decks the mirrors are interesting but the Elves mirror is just boring. I stopped playing the deck in paper after the last paper tournament I played against 4 MBC decks in a row after round 2. I can pilot the flicker decks quickly and don’t mind requesting my opponents make a play - got the latest greatest list with your changes you noted? I’ll see if I can throw it together and borrow some Ash Barrens from the dude that buys all the commander decks. Edit - rechecked your list, no Ash Barrens, sounds like a plan! Dehtraen fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Feb 27, 2018 |
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Dehtraen posted:I like playing elves if there are less MBC players in the room and you don’t have to play the mirror. I feel like with other decks the mirrors are interesting but the Elves mirror is just boring. I stopped playing the deck in paper after the last paper tournament I played against 4 MBC decks in a row after round 2. Ash Barrens (and therefore Brainstorm) doesn't work in Tron decks, since you just cannot afford to play a bunch of basics, and you don't play bouncelands to get it back like the Familiars deck can. Fresh Stonehorn Tron deck:  https://pastebin.com/KUrHYGaB I've gone 4-1, 3-2, 4-1 in leagues with this thing, losing to Zombies (I drew hilariously badly, the matchup is vastly favorable), Mono-blue Delver (flooded with zero tron pieces somehow), and Burn twice (beating it 4 other times). Probably going up to a third Hydroblast because there's just so much Burn in the leagues. The Signets were garbage and they will not be missed. I swapped the second Island for a fourth Tranquil Cove and haven't been disappointed. Remote Isle has performed spectacularly through no fault of its own, since it's mostly been something I can get into the yard to Pulse back against Burn. Still don't know if this set of counterspells is correct, it'll take more games. Deep Analysis has been great. I haven't had to kill anyone by milling them with Deep Analysis, but it's be a valuable sideboard card as just a card advantage house in grindy matchups, and it's even fine against Burn when you take out a million cards and just want to draw more counters and Pulses. Arrows has been alright, but I've only drawn is once in a game I couldn't lose. I'm thinking I might want it to be another removal spell, but I'm not sure which. I want something to bring in to kill Burn's dorky creatures and Gut Shot is pretty underwhelming when it only kills the Archer, though a 3rd Hydroblast would take that slot either way. I can't just swap the 3rd Hydroblast in for the Arrows since it screws up the sideboarding against Izzet Delver. Arrows is probably not good enough since my Mono-blue Delver opponents are inexplicably siding in 2+ Annuls, apparently because they just hate having useful cards in their deck? I haven't gotten the Arrows Annulled yet, and if my opponent Annuls a Map or Prism on turn 8 it feels like I just can't lose, so who knows what's going on there. Gonna take some tinkering to finalize the sideboard. Or you can forgo Tron and just play Familiars:  https://pastebin.com/TPd6cWfR Still a dog to Tron but if you're never gonna finish three games, who cares? Just blaze through the first game in ten minutes, side in a bunch of Pyroblasts to try to win game 2 and take the inevitable 1-1 draw. Plus you get the enjoyment of your opponents never conceding, so you get to play Magic the entire time you're in the tournament with no downtime! Absolutely requires Ash Barrens though.
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I wanna say "it's too slow" but I mean... I think it has a lot of potential. You have a deck filled with ever-growing Rats, all of which cost 3. What really stands out to me is that they cost 2 black. You could totally pop in some Gary as a big drain.
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Feb 27, 2018 20:46
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I don't care whether it's good or not I just bought 30 rats and you can't stop me.
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uPen posted:I don't care whether it's good or not I just bought 30 rats and you can't stop me. Excuse you sir you can only run ten copies (5 different sets and 5 foils of those). Though holy hell the cheapest Relentless Rat printing was almost $2.00.
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uPen posted:I don't care whether it's good or not I just bought 30 rats and you can't stop me. 22 swamp 30 relentless rats 4 grey merchant 4 oubliette
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PJOmega posted:Excuse you sir you can only run ten copies (5 different sets and 5 foils of those). The 11th ed printing is 2 cents or it was an hour ago.
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Did something happen recently that made the Freed from the Real deck much less good?
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Some Numbers posted:Did something happen recently that made the Freed from the Real deck much less good? People play counterspells and removal? I can't imagine that Freed deck beating Izzet Delver ever.
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Hellsau posted:People play counterspells and removal? I can't imagine that Freed deck beating Izzet Delver ever. Wouldn't Gigadrowse go a long way to helping that?
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Some Numbers posted:Wouldn't Gigadrowse go a long way to helping that? Good luck living long enough to find the combo and a Gigadrowse and make enough land drops, and even then they can still Sprite/Counter one or two of the copies to keep up a Bolt or counter.
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My Mono Blue Delver opponent just had this sequence on the draw: Turn 1 Island, Ponder Turn 2 Island, Faerie Miscreant, go Turn 3 float UU, Gush, play Island, try to pass turn I Capsized their island without buyback, and they discarded three cards and had a 1/1 flier and no lands in play. I won that game. I then drew 9 lands and a map and 9 other spells, none of which were creatures so my opponent killed me, then I kept a hand with Tron, Gut Shot and Serrated Arrows and drew 8 lands 5 spells, no colored mana, then drew 6 more colored spells in a row while my opponent beat me to death with a Spire Golem. Welp. e: lol just timed out for the first time in forever, against a Boros opponent with 30 seconds left, because game 1 the client completely hosed itself. Highlights include me managing to tap a Prism with only colorless mana floating and ending up with only colorless mana floating, tapping a Tranquil Cove to try to Flicker and not having blue, then being able to tap that tapped Cove for the mana, and spells showing up as cast in the log without actually doing anything on the battlefield for 5 seconds. Hooray. Hellsau fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Cool set for pauper, we get to play a bad rats deck, a worse goblins deck and people who missed out can get a playset of Ash Barrens for a reasonable price.
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So as the  over the Ash Barrens spoiler begins to fade, I'm left with some big questions: how low do we expect the card to drop and when I should I jump on them to get the 12ish I want to get?
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i built a couple of pauper decks, but haven't actually played yet (at least against another pauper deck). i own three ash barrens, and none are in either deck: mono-blue delver and bg aristocrats. should i bother putting ash barrens in either deck? i can't see loving with the mana in bg, and i'd hate to miss double blue in delver on turn 2.
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Ash Barrens is not necessary in mono blue Delver (especially if you're running Spire Golem). The UR Delver decks run it to 1) get their Mountain and 2) as a shuffle effect for Brainstorm. The BG deck might get some value out of Barrens, but it's hard to say without seeing the manabase. Barrens is at its best in three color decks or decks with a light splash and (imo) is generally better than Terramorphic/Evolving Wilds, especially if you have bouncelands.
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Some Numbers posted:Ash Barrens is not necessary in mono blue Delver (especially if you're running Spire Golem). The UR Delver decks run it to 1) get their Mountain and 2) as a shuffle effect for Brainstorm. gotcha, thanks i'll probably finish out my playset anyway just in case i get way into the format
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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/965255#paper 5-0 with this last night. The maindeck Deep Analysis is alright and it freed up space for the third Hydroblast even if obviously I haven't played against burn in the two leagues since I made that change. This Tron version sacrifices a LOT of percentage against a lot of decks compared to the Familiars version just to not be a dog to Tron. Like, I think I could win 9 out of 10 matches against Stompy or Elves with the Familiars version, but it feels like I'm only winning two out of three with the Tron version.
Some Numbers posted:So as the Get as many as you need at $1. Mishra's Bauble went from $20-30 to $4.50. Ash Barrens has much lower demand and starts from $8, so hopefully it'll go pretty low. There's a chance that A25 is undraftable garbage with little value and doesn't get opened much but we'll see.
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Hellsau posted:Get as many as you need at $1. Mishra's Bauble went from $20-30 to $4.50. Ash Barrens has much lower demand and starts from $8, so hopefully it'll go pretty low. quote:There's a chance that A25 is undraftable garbage with little value and doesn't get opened much but we'll see.
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I just bought a set of Ash Barrens. Didn't think it fit the concept of Masters 25, but now I can pick up more for cheap so I'm not too bummed.
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So I already play a bunch on xmage, but I've been considering getting on mtgo for pauper. Is this a dumb idea? If not, what would be the best way to go about starting out? I've seen a few pages talking about buying cards from bots, and I tried to watch that Saffron Olive guy's video about getting started, but that dude's voice is worse than nails on a chalkboard.
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Hey man, Saffron Olive's an okay guy even if he can't pronounce words to save his life
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:So I already play a bunch on xmage, but I've been considering getting on mtgo for pauper. The MTGO client is absolutely shameful and makes playing Magic online substantially less fun. On the other hand it's like $50 to grab a deck and start battling. Check mtgowikiprice.com and mtggoldfish for card prices.
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uPen posted:Is wizards still charging to make new MTGO accounts because that was nuts.  to keep the riff raff out, obviously
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welp just went 5-0 twice in leagues with Stonehorn Tron, with four Stonehorns and one Moment's Peace maindeck to Teachings for, and to lock out creature decks if you draw two Walls and a flicker and no Stonehorns. It worked extremely well, and it was never more dead than a Serrated Arrows would have been. Honestly I'm probably going to just need to play a whole boatload of matches against Delver and figure out which build is best against that, since all the other matches don't really change that much, and if I can find some build that crushes Delver as hard as it crushes the other aggro decks while still winning the grindy matchups, that'll be the best deck for the metagame. I'm currently 44-16 in leagues after my 5-2 in the Challenge last weekend, a ludicrous winrate of 73%. For reference I was only 74.5% with Drake. If anyone plays blazing fast on MTGO, please try this deck out for a bit because I dunno if I'm just great or if the deck is great or what. The time-out issue makes this deck incapable of being widely played which may help since people won't learn to play against it, or it might hurt since I can't really take other players' ideas. I suspect I'm getting benefits from people not playing particularly well, as well as gaining an edge from having an unusual build. People are bringing in absurd poo poo like Scattershot Archer or Spidersilk Armor or Hydroblast, or leaving in stuff like Essence Warden or Wellwisher or Journey to Nowhere and it's giving me a lot of free wins. Relic of Progenitus is still garbage, please never put that card in your sideboards. 
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New Masters 25 downshifts: https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3Aa25+new%3Ararity+rarity%3Acommon Court Hussar is real sweet but doesn't fit in Flicker Tron or in Familiars (if you have two Familiars you cannot pay white mana) so I guess it's great in UW control if that ever becomes a thing. Frenzied Goblin and Jackal Pup are good one mana creatures for red decks and Pillage is a very versatile sideboard card. Relentless Rats is funny. Savannah Lions isn't good enough (Elite Vanguard has seen nearly no play with a much more useful creature type) and Ruthless Ripper isn't good enough for constructed. That's about it. RDW becomes substantially better and more consistent with another set of 2 power one drops, Goblins gets to run Frenzied Goblin as a way to push damage through against the opponent's first blocker, people get to lose a lot with Relentless Rats decks, and UW non-Flicker non-Familiar decks get an extremely great creature. That's pretty goddamn minor. The fact that Green got Ainok Survivalist as its only downshift sucks since it already had Nantuko Vigilante, and Black got Ruthless Ripper which isn't good enough and Relentless Rats which is cool and useless, makes this kind of a bummer of a set for Pauper. The worst colors did not improve.
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