business hammocks posted:She doesn’t give him any compliments. Isn’t it objectively true that it’s better for scum nerds to end up as mere conservatives rather than as violent nazis? Conservatives aren’t good, but democracy has survived with people like Peterson whereas it can’t with actual nazis, and it’s bad for the nazis if Peterson takes away their converts. That doesn’t mean that Peterson is good. Peterson is selling kids the cultural Bolshevism poo poo the Nazis started under a sanitized self-help package. It's not a stretch to guess that most of these clean room boys are going to wind up being fascists. I don't understand why you guys got out of your way to defend Nagle's dumb poo poo.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Peterson would've been considered "alt-right" about five years ago when alt-right was still a catchall term for every reactionary ideology gestating on the internet. He's a thoroughly reactionary figure in ways that are contrary even to contemporary conservatism, but to get to that reactionary core you have to penetrate the surface layer of his trite Dadist domestic ideology. The surface level reading of Peterson is that he's just trying to advocate for why being a suburban dad is the best of all possible worlds. He's what this thread describes as "alt-liberal". Same bigotries and cultural supremacy, but with a few extra coats of academic varnish https://twitter.com/OmanReagan/status/959195294393970688
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Peterson would've been considered "alt-right" about five years ago when alt-right was still a catchall term for every reactionary ideology gestating on the internet. He's a thoroughly reactionary figure in ways that are contrary even to contemporary conservatism, but to get to that reactionary core you have to penetrate the surface layer of his trite Dadist domestic ideology. The surface level reading of Peterson is that he's just trying to advocate for why being a suburban dad is the best of all possible worlds. Hell, I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better one-line summary of reactionary ideology than that.
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Goon Danton posted:Hell, I'd be hard-pressed to come up with a better one-line summary of reactionary ideology than that. I guess it really does all just boil down to the right to dominate your family as the patriarch. THC posted:He's what this thread describes as "alt-liberal". Same bigotries and cultural supremacy, but with a few extra coats of academic varnish Peterson is certainly the "I'm a classical liberal whom loves freedom, but should women really be allowed to wear makeup?" kind of guy. They dance around legalistic forms of dominance by creating an environment where everything is informally enforced through social convention, and it always starts as "just trying to start a conversation." Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 20:44 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I guess it really does all just boil down to the right to dominate your family as the patriarch. once again post-freudian marxists are correct!!!!!
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aware of dog posted:As was mentioned in that twitter thread a few days ago about how downtrodden people are lured into the alt-right, Peterson's content is used as sort of a first step on the path towards redpilling someone. He may say he hates the alt-right, but with his willingness to engage with alt-right/lite figures and his espousing of similar ideas (cultural Marxists are trying to undermine western civilization, I would argue that Jordan Peterson a snake-oil salesman who has figured out how to appeal to individuals who are either low-Compaction Narrativists or are in a psychologically vulnerable state to becoming Narrativists. As a result Jordan Peterson's fanbase has a real problem with Compaction cycles- enough so that a moderator of the JP subreddit recognized what was happening in his community after reading a description of Compaction cycles enough to reach out to me and ask if there was a way he could slow/prevent future cycles. Jordan Peterson seems intent on sticking to this particular grift and as a result he (correctly) sees the Alt-Right as competitors for the same customer base. I would argue that Jordan Peterson's shelf life is limited however because the sheer size of his fanbase accelerates the general pace of Compaction cycles, and eventually JP will simply not be radical enough to attract a sizeable base anymore. Eventually his audience will radicalize beyond him and simply move on. Prester Jane has issued a correction as of 20:48 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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, white privilege is a lie), I wouldn't call him a Nazi but I'm not sure I'd call him "merely" a conservative either.
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the thing about peterson that stands out to me is that he seems to encourage political disengagement with the world. "clean your room." retreat inwards and focus on the internal world of the family and of middle-class life. it's very beidermeier and very conservative, since depoliticized and apolitical middle-class dads are usually, in fact, ultra-conservatives.
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Epic High Five posted:yeah the divide between conservatism and the alt-right isn't ideology, it's volume I'd say it's honesty, both personally and socially Say what you will about the alt right, they seem to have a better handle on what they actually believe than the republicans
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the thing about peterson that stands out to me is that he seems to encourage political disengagement with the world. "clean your room." retreat inwards and focus on the internal world of the family and of middle-class life. it's very beidermeier and very conservative, since depoliticized and apolitical middle-class dads are usually, in fact, ultra-conservatives. Yeah, being "apolitical" just means that your political beliefs are so entrenched into the existing power structures that you can just assume them to be universal facts. E: Alternatively, to be so objectified that the very idea of opposing or changing those structures becomes unthinkable. Goon Danton has issued a correction as of 20:58 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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these 30 year old boys will be too busy cleaning their rooms to go out and march, clearly he is in league with the jews. have you seen the art in his apartment?!
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Visidan posted:these 30 year old boys will be too busy cleaning their rooms to go out and march, clearly he is in league with the jews. have you seen the art in his apartment?! i mean he's a shithead but he seems more like an alternative like nagle said. like if he should be opposed, he should be opposed on his own terms and instead of this "gateway" stuff BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 21:12 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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oh he's def an alternative i agree with her there, his fans responses to him are so sickly culty the real gateway are certain youtubers which theyre currently destroying right as we post because theyre loving morons that don't understand SEO or really anything more than JEW BAD
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:there's this line of attack against jordan peterson that is opposed to him because he is a gateway to the alt-right. i don't know how accurate that is. I think it's easy to see Peterson as a gateway because his fans are appropriating so much of CHUD terminology. I've seen half a dozen videos in my youtube recommendations that are just clips of the Russel Brand interview framed as "Jordan B. Peterson Red Pills Russel Brand."
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:there's this line of attack against jordan peterson that is opposed to him because he is a gateway to the alt-right. i don't know how accurate that is. Any conservative is always a gateway to the far right because they basically believe the same thing, but people like Peterson have always been around and he at least seems to encourage loser children to buy into and participate in liberal democracy v tearing it down. That is a practical difference between him and even someone like Milo who was selectively goosing conservatives with their own vocabulary with the purpose of making them comfortable with being nazis.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:there's this line of attack against jordan peterson that is opposed to him because he is a gateway to the alt-right. i don't know how accurate that is. he's more of a gateway out of the anime porn pepe kek chaos magic weird poo poo and into boring mainstream conservatism
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the thing about peterson that stands out to me is that he seems to encourage political disengagement with the world. "clean your room." retreat inwards and focus on the internal world of the family and of middle-class life. it's very beidermeier and very conservative, since depoliticized and apolitical middle-class dads are usually, in fact, ultra-conservatives. Kinda reminds me of Dreher with his Benedict Option thing. As a matter of fact, there's this schism in the far-right between "retreating from the world and preserving their culture and communities" or engaging in politics in order to win. IIRC one of those reactionary mags like Thermidor or Jacobite got mad at Dreher for suggesting they should just give terrain to social liberalism without much of a fight. By the way, I've looked at Peterson's twitter timeline once and one of the things that caught my attention is that he retweeted that Wrath Of Gnon guy. He's another reactionary who thinks the world is lost and that they should survive and conquer the ruins after its destruction, the whole "ride the Kali Yuga" idea.
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The Phlegmatist posted:he's more of a gateway out of the anime porn pepe kek chaos magic weird poo poo and into boring mainstream conservatism yeah this i don't like peterson but it could be a lot worse (could be better ofcourse) than some boring conservative hogwash that we've seen before RIP hitchens if you remember sargon of akkad was appearing on all those podcasts and almost approached mainstream status for awhile there last year and before that it could have been richard spencer if he wasn't such a moron
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the trouble with people like jordan peterson is that even if the chuds "diverted" to him become boring rear end suburban dads who just Love Patriarchy, the second there's any threat to white patriarchy they go full Nazi. these people may care about the JQ or an ethnostate, but they'll be out there with their tiki torches the second they catch a whiff of equality, so they might as well be. nazis that become nazis in response to the mildest steps towards equality are still nazis.
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Visidan posted:lol kek has failed us loooooollll Love that those gamergate creeps are getting a load of this.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the trouble with people like jordan peterson is that even if the chuds "diverted" to him become boring rear end suburban dads who just Love Patriarchy, the second there's any threat to white patriarchy they go full Nazi. these people may care about the JQ or an ethnostate, but they'll be out there with their tiki torches the second they catch a whiff of equality, so they might as well be. nazis that become nazis in response to the mildest steps towards equality are still nazis. this is still just mainstream culture-driven conservatism
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Al-Saqr posted:loooooollll Love that those gamergate creeps are getting a load of this. this week has been a bad one for 4d chesscucks
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the trouble with people like jordan peterson is that even if the chuds "diverted" to him become boring rear end suburban dads who just Love Patriarchy, the second there's any threat to white patriarchy they go full Nazi. these people may care about the JQ or an ethnostate, but they'll be out there with their tiki torches the second they catch a whiff of equality, so they might as well be. nazis that become nazis in response to the mildest steps towards equality are still nazis. This is all conservatives. Remember Goldwater? The Kochs are children of a Birch Society founder.
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Metal Cat posted:Kinda reminds me of Dreher with his Benedict Option thing. As a matter of fact, there's this schism in the far-right between "retreating from the world and preserving their culture and communities" or engaging in politics in order to win. IIRC one of those reactionary mags like Thermidor or Jacobite got mad at Dreher for suggesting they should just give terrain to social liberalism without much of a fight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_S8bPXK8ao And goths dig it because it sounds goth and cool and poo poo, and get defensive when the political connotations are brought up. But it is what it is. Visidan posted:lol kek has failed us *Looney Tunes ending theme plays* DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:the trouble with people like jordan peterson is that even if the chuds "diverted" to him become boring rear end suburban dads who just Love Patriarchy, the second there's any threat to white patriarchy they go full Nazi. these people may care about the JQ or an ethnostate, but they'll be out there with their tiki torches the second they catch a whiff of equality, so they might as well be. nazis that become nazis in response to the mildest steps towards equality are still nazis. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 21:56 on Mar 1, 2018 |
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aware of dog posted:Youtubes purge is continuing, this time Infowars' Jerome Corsi had his account deleted loving 'bout time. That guy has been a piece of poo poo for decades.
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Visidan posted:lol kek has failed us lol he is doubling down. Metal Cat posted:Kinda reminds me of Dreher with his Benedict Option thing. As a matter of fact, there's this schism in the far-right between "retreating from the world and preserving their culture and communities" or engaging in politics in order to win. IIRC one of those reactionary mags like Thermidor or Jacobite got mad at Dreher for suggesting they should just give terrain to social liberalism without much of a fight. the chapo talk about dreres post/nyt/whatever interview was weirdly depressing. he gets out of a lovely abusive backward homelife(with implied molestation/abuse) and goes into review/media, eventualy he comes back and they treat him like poo poo because he escaped so he breaks his brain like 20 times and is now a weird racist monk because he wants family to respect him. also he is probaly a closeted homosexual and hates himself for it.
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business hammocks posted:This is all conservatives. Remember Goldwater? The Kochs are children of a Birch Society founder. this is true and it’s what I’m saying. jp is not diverting kids from neo-naziism because both his cult and the Pepes are at their core the same as each other and as all movement conservatives, to whit, violent revanchists who will do anything to regain their lost power
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Dapper_Swindler posted:the chapo talk about dreres post/nyt/whatever interview was weirdly depressing. he gets out of a lovely abusive backward homelife(with implied molestation/abuse) and goes into review/media, eventualy he comes back and they treat him like poo poo because he escaped so he breaks his brain like 20 times and is now a weird racist monk because he wants family to respect him. also he is probaly a closeted homosexual and hates himself for it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Peterson would've been considered "alt-right" about five years ago when alt-right was still a catchall term for every reactionary ideology gestating on the internet. He's a thoroughly reactionary figure in ways that are contrary even to contemporary conservatism, but to get to that reactionary core you have to penetrate the surface layer of his trite Dadist domestic ideology. The surface level reading of Peterson is that he's just trying to advocate for why being a suburban dad is the best of all possible worlds. I don't know that Peterson has anything deeper than a surface level reading to him, tbh.
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Visidan posted:youtube are saying they employ 10,000 content moderators now, is that true? sounds ridiculous Actually it seems to pan out. This Guardian article from early December 2017 Google was in the process of hiring and training 10,000 content moderators in conjunction with refining machine learning algorithm's to (to flag content for review by said moderators) with the expres purpose of coming down on youtube content like a ton of bricks. The Guardian posted:
So it seems that Google has figured out that the SA way of doing things is ultimately the only viable method to prevent a large online community from becoming incredibly toxic. That is equal parts surprising and encouraging. I mean even if Google is ultimately doing the right thing for the wrong reasons here, its still very much the right thing to do and will be of immense benefit to the mental health of America's children.
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https://np.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/811gsu/rthe_donald_is_imploding_following_trumps_progun/ the_donald banned almost a thousand accounts yesterday, some of longtime members with thousands of posts for criticizing the emperor for cucking on child murder toys quote:Yep. Long time “pede” here with over 200,000 karma from “shitposting” in r/The_Donald. Banned today for pointing out that not a single person in his gun control meeting was standing up for legal gun owners. Anyone defending the second amendment was banned. At this rate, Trump will have lost all his supporters by 2020 and T_D will be empty. After today, I’m fine with that. Trump stabbed us in the back as far as I’m concerned.
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Visidan posted:lol kek has failed us death to gamers
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