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Bryter posted:It's in the PYF tankie thread.
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AnEdgelord posted:I keep coming across vegans trolling on leftbook and it makes my head hurt. B12 deficiency literally irreversibly destroys your brain, I'm pretty sure that's why so many long-term hardcore vegans are so loving insane Wheeee fucked around with this message at 23:56 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Eat Corn and Meat - Kruschev
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Maybe im just a retard but aside from buying the government for 20 years wasnt it basically just a way to bribe all the folks one or two bad years away from joining the communist party into sticking with the system
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Larry Parrish posted:Maybe im just a retard but aside from buying the government for 20 years wasnt it basically just a way to bribe all the folks one or two bad years away from joining the communist party into sticking with the system every good thing the us government did after 1917 was to keep people from joining the communist party.
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Larry Parrish posted:Maybe im just a retard but aside from buying the government for 20 years wasnt it basically just a way to bribe all the folks one or two bad years away from joining the communist party into sticking with the system Isn't eating a dinner just a way to bribe all the cells one or two weeks away from starving into living?
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R. Guyovich posted:every good thing the us government did after 1917 was to keep people from joining the communist party. Count Dracula: The same could be said of all capitalist and social-democrat governments.
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Larry Parrish posted:Maybe im just a retard but aside from buying the government for 20 years wasnt it basically just a way to bribe all the folks one or two bad years away from joining the communist party into sticking with the system when CPUSA endorsed FDR (which they did btw) their membership skyrocketed. the soviets viewed FDR as an ally... guess they were wrong! i don't think that narrative is quite accurate, but it's a good narrative
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Karl Barks posted:when CPUSA endorsed FDR (which they did btw) their membership skyrocketed. the soviets viewed FDR as an ally... guess they were wrong! they ran their own candidate for every presidential election during the new deal years...foster for at least one of them, not sure of the others
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was the popular front strategy a bad idea in the long term? hard to say. it nominally helped defeat hitler. also what the gently caress is world war 1 money edit: lol i guess jacobin has an opinion on this: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/10/popular-front-communist-party-democrats
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Karl Barks posted:also what the gently caress is world war 1 money US finance made a lot of money off loans to the Allies in World War 1 (and, some may argue, precipitated US entry into the war to guarantee Allied victory in order to make sure they'd be able to pay back the loans)
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Karl Barks posted:
Who defeated Hitler was the strategy of the Communist Parties of Russia and the other members of the Soviet Union 
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Plutonis posted:Who defeated Hitler was the strategy of the Communist Parties of Russia and the other members of the Soviet Union thats what i'm saying, the popular front was a soviet strategy passed down from the comintern
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there's this book called "hammer and hoe" about the alabama communist party in the 30s that really goes into depth on the successes and failures of the popular front in the us. there is a digital copy online that i presume is legal. the popular front strategy forced the cpusa to dramatically reduce their organizing efforts in order to create a bunch of hybrid communist/liberal front organizations. while these did increase membership, they also moved the organization as a whole to the right. there was also a huge outcry among the capitalist press about communist infiltration of anti-racist and labor organizations, which the popular front strategy only fueled. also, the molotov-ribbentrop pact greatly hurt the popular front strategy worldwide, as anti-fascists were forced to renounce either their public opposition to hitler or party membership. when the us entered the war, cpusa agreed to stop all strike activity to help the war effort. this led to trots/the IWW becoming much more active in improving working conditions. basically, all of the problems with cpusa stemmed from them taking actions that benefited the soviet union instead of american workers.
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huh. good post. god drat the molotov-ribbentrop pact
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can you imagine. being in the communist party and then orders from moscow come in: we're pacifists now and directions are to hold anti-interventionist rallies with the america firsters. also don't criticize literal hitler. yeah i'd be pretty salty about that too.
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molotov-ribbentrop bought enough time for the soviet union to industrialize to a point where it was capable of taking on Nazi Germany head to head. It was brought about because Stalin's "collective security" proposal to the British and French was killed in its infancy by British conservatism (the French took a wait-and-see approach, waiting on the brits) like it sucked poo poo, obviously, and it sent a lot of raw materials to Germany that fueled their war machine, but it was basically the only feasible strategy for developing a counterweight to Nazi power in the context of total weakness and capitulation in the 'democratic' west
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:can you imagine. being in the communist party and then orders from moscow come in: we're pacifists now and directions are to hold anti-interventionist rallies with the america firsters. also don't criticize literal hitler. being a higher up in the communist party under stalin pretty much meant toeing the party line no matter what it was, on pains of being flown back to moscow and "disappearing." this could also happen if you slavishly followed the dictates of the party. but they did eventually set the world record in nazi deaths, so who am i to judge?
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If you want to know more about the US totally loving up the world economy after WWI due to loan fuckery read The Deluge by Adam Tooze tldr the US made mad bank off of WWI by loaning the allies money, when it was clear they couldn't pay Wilson negotiated debt relief but Congress rebelled and demanded the full sum. Britain and France told the US to gently caress off and stopped paying, which is why WWII had to have Lend Lease because the US couldn't loan Britain money - they were still technically defaulted debtors
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GalacticAcid posted:molotov-ribbentrop bought enough time for the soviet union to industrialize to a point where it was capable of taking on Nazi Germany head to head. Yeah people like to bring it a lot against Stalin but he loving proposed an anti-Nazi pact to Chamberlain and Daladier to counteract the anti-Comintern right before the Munich agreement.
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MikeCrotch posted:If you want to know more about the US totally loving up the world economy after WWI due to loan fuckery read The Deluge by Adam Tooze Anything by Adam Tooze is worth your time imo his back and forth with Wolfang Streeck in the LRB a couple years ago on the future of the European Union made for riveting reading. To me, anyway.
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this is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vldeu7RFsaA
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Fanon is the most underappreciated thinker in the Western Left still, because he's too offensive to too many sensibilities. I'd recommend anybody should read The Damned of the Earth because it was the biggest factor in what cured me of liberalism.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Fanon is the most underappreciated thinker in the Western Left still, because he's too offensive to too many sensibilities. I'd recommend anybody should read The Damned of the Earth because it was the biggest factor in what cured me of liberalism. same, but w. e. b. du bois. there's a reason all mention of his politics past 1910 is excluded from american curricula. also, it is amazing how much du bois's audio recording was better than zizek, despite the fact that du bois made that recording when he was in his 90s.
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GoluboiOgon posted:same, but w. e. b. du bois. there's a reason all mention of his politics past 1910 is excluded from american curricula. Du Bois's image as a Ten Percenter is so heavily cultivated I had no idea until a few years ago that he later became a communist. Although, you could say that the "Talented Tenth" is a lot like a racial conception of vanguardism.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Fanon is the most underappreciated thinker in the Western Left still, because he's too offensive to too many sensibilities. I'd recommend anybody should read The Damned of the Earth because it was the biggest factor in what cured me of liberalism. Is that a different translation of The Wretched of the Earth? That and Black Skins White Masks have been on my reading list for a while, and I think I'll tackle one of them next now that I'm finished with Pedagogy of the Oppressed.
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Goon Danton posted:Is that a different translation of The Wretched of the Earth? That and Black Skins White Masks have been on my reading list for a while, and I think I'll tackle one of them next now that I'm finished with Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Fanon's work has had a lot of bad translations into English. The original French title was Le Damned de la Terre, which has a very different connotation to The "Wretched" of the Earth.
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Is there a specific translation you'd recommend? I've come across the wildly varying translation problem before, but it was with Stirner and he seems like a dweeb so I didn't bother reading any of them.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Du Bois's image as a Ten Percenter is so heavily cultivated I had no idea until a few years ago that he later became a communist. Although, you could say that the "Talented Tenth" is a lot like a racial conception of vanguardism. yeah, the talented tenth is taken in modern america as an endorsement of the creation of a black bourgeoise. he is really arguing for the creation of an educated black intelligentsia though, in opposition to booker t washigton's proposal to confine black education to the skilled trades to appease southern whites. despite being a small dandified professor, he guarded his house with a shotgun during two race riots in atlanta, and wrote a really good [free online] biography of john brown that is basically pro-armed action. then he discovered socialism. even his doctoral dissertation on the slave trade, in which he points out that the atlantic slave trade was continued unoffically after being made illegal, is still too radical for high-schools.
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Goon Danton posted:Is there a specific translation you'd recommend? I know enough that the English translations were mostly bad, but not if there's a good translation. The version I read I had to do in my free time at a university library, and I'm pretty sure it was one of the bad ones. I'm just a layman.
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quote:Joseph Stalin was a great man; few other men of the 20th century approach his stature. He was simple, calm and courageous. He seldom lost his poise; pondered his problems slowly, made his decisions clearly and firmly; never yielded to ostentation nor coyly refrained from holding his rightful place with dignity. He was the son of a serf but stood calmly before the great without hesitation or nerves. But also—and this was the highest proof of his greatness—he knew the common man, felt his problems, followed his fate. From On Stalin by W. E. B. Du Bois https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/biographies/1953/03/16.htm
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even Lenin on his death bed was all "and guys seriously Stalin is a loving rear end in a top hat and he's always up to some poo poo, don't let him take over you morans" so like its not really a secret that Stalin was a piece of poo poo and also that he rolled back a lot of cool and good things that the USSR had accomplished in the early days while being a paranoid alcoholic who killed people out of insane paranoia while dragging a backwards agrarian peasant nation into the 20th century in the greatest feat of human productivity and industrialization in history for the purpose of annihilating fascism with the happy side effect of creating the second greatest superpower to ever exist
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Atrocious Joe posted:From On Stalin by W. E. B. Du Bois web dubois also supported japanese imperialism so i'm guessing the soviet invasion of manchuria broke his brain
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