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Mooseontheloose posted:The Outsiders is a good idea, except they are constantly working with Ollie. quote:and we don't need the constant reminder that this doesn't change anything
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Membership drive for the no Olivers club, get Roy back in the game,
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Feb 11, 2018 04:31
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Roy flipped back to his home planet.
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Feb 11, 2018 04:45
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Isn't he supposed to show up this season?
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Feb 11, 2018 05:01
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Yeah, according to news in December. It’ll probably be a while yet.
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Feb 11, 2018 07:44
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Well I'm in the minority (not surprised) of not hating what I'm watching and liking Kirk Acevedo. It hasn't been a great and exciting season, but I've mostly had fun. The B Legion of Doom was a poorly executed idea where Anaotyl was barely there, Diaz was pretty anonymous, and I don't even remember who the other guy was. But I like Acevedo and I was excited when he was cast in the role (with the other name Richard Dragon) so I'm glad to see he was just laying low and have hope for him as the second half villain and man behind everything.
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Feb 11, 2018 10:44
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Waiting for William to become Mini Arrow and watching Lance go completely nuts are the only two remaining threads I'm invested in. But, I guess it's not like Diaz could be any less interesting than Cayden was. And I'm currently convinced the Outsiders plot is the worst the series has ever done, maybe behind the Olicity stuff in the back half of season 4, but at least that only made an irritating wreck of one formerly good character instead of two (Curtis is still alright). This season's a real letdown after the insanity that was Adrian Chase. Not giving up on it quite yet, though.
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Feb 11, 2018 14:01
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We're also going to get more League of Assassins stuff this season as Kyra Zagorsky is supposed to show as a previously unseen lieutenant of Malcolm's, leading a splinter group of assassins.
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Feb 11, 2018 15:45
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I think it would've been better if they hadn't introduced Diaz so early in the season and then had him sit there doing basically nothing. Like introduce him closer to the end of this Cayden James thing and show him actually doing stuff. Also making Vigilante into basically Deadpool but lamer was not great either.
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Feb 11, 2018 16:22
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I wonder if they’d originally planned to do more with Slade, and were forced to change plans when DC took him off the table again.
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Feb 11, 2018 17:24
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Cran posted:And I'm currently convinced the Outsiders plot is the worst the series has ever done, maybe behind the Olicity stuff in the back half of season 4, but at least that only made an irritating wreck of one formerly good character instead of two (Curtis is still alright). This doesn't change anything, Hoss. Don't get used to it.
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Feb 11, 2018 19:40
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Also they didn't name the episode where Diaz is introduced "Enter The Dragon" so really just what the hell are they even doing.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:18
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bentacos posted:I think it would've been better if they hadn't introduced Diaz so early in the season and then had him sit there doing basically nothing. Like introduce him closer to the end of this Cayden James thing and show him actually doing stuff. Also making Vigilante into basically Deadpool but lamer was not great either. Yeah, they tried to pull off some kind of Keyser Soze with Diaz and it didn't work because he was such a non character most of the time. They tried to juggle way too many characters in the first half, really. I chalk up most of my criticisms to that. Team Arrow, the Outsiders, Cayden, Black Siren, Quentin, William, Vigilante, the Fed, hacker girl, Thea, Anaotyl, Diaz... It was just way too much and Diaz is one of the people who got the short end of it which made his reveal underwhelming unless you were invested in the actor/comic character like I was. But my criticisms are considerably less severe than some. I think it's been a bit disjointed and overcrowded, but generally enjoyable.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:30
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bentacos posted:Also they didn't name the episode where Diaz is introduced "Enter The Dragon" so really just what the hell are they even doing. "Ricardo Diaz" is also supposed to be DC martial arts master Richard Dragon.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:37
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I assume the op knew that hence the episode title suggestion.
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Feb 11, 2018 20:42
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Yeah that's what I was getting at.
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Feb 11, 2018 21:21
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I may be in the minority here, but I liked the switcheroo where the character that was the mastermind set up to be the big baddie is set aside for a character that has mostly been a wall flower up until now. Diaz was introduced as the drug lord peddling Digg's self medication shots and since that we haven't really seen much of him before learning that he was in kahoots with Kayden and Anatoli.
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Feb 11, 2018 21:36
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I like the idea of it. I just think it didn't really hit since he and Anatoli were such non-characters. That "one of you betrayed me" Cayden thing was clearly the end goal of the mini-Legion of Doom and clearly the intention was to have Diaz be the most unassuming of the candidates. But he was TOO unassuming and even though Anatoli is a familiar and established character he was just kind of around all season so Diaz didn't really stand out. Plus there was that other guy and Vigilante. Like the whole thing probably works better if Cayden is accusing Vigilante, Anatoli, and Black Syren who we're all invested with but then Diaz/Dragon steps forward. Plus it probably would have worked better if it had more than an episode of build and none of us really every seemed to invest too deeply into the whole subplot about Cayden's kid and the faked evidence Oliver killed him. I like the idea, the execution was just really off.
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Feb 11, 2018 21:43
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They don't care about the comics. They take key names and toss them in a blender.
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Feb 11, 2018 22:42
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No, its an actual comic character that appears relatively faithfully adapted, especially if some of the rumors about the second half are true. That just didn't SEEM to be the case until the end of episode reveal.
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Feb 11, 2018 22:58
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I read that the Dragon thing happened because James’ actor couldn’t commit to a full season and they had to hastily retool things. I wonder how true that is.
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Feb 12, 2018 00:50
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They announced casting Emerson and that Richard Dragon would be part of the season at the same time, so probably not.
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Feb 12, 2018 00:58
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I didn't mind the episode actually and like mentioned above, I am actually interested in seeing where they go with Dragon from here on out. It's been a pretty meh season overall what with the need to write everyone as complete idiots this year, especially Ollie, but the action has been pretty good and at least things are happening.
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Feb 12, 2018 03:59
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Just waiting for the reveal that the FBI lady was also on his payroll.
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Feb 12, 2018 05:01
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Honestly you cant even say that Diaz is a boring character, he hasn't had enough screentime to be boring. He was effectively menacing, if a bit cliche, when killing Cayden at least, so I'm hopeful that with more screentime and a bit more fleshing out he gets a lot better.
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Feb 15, 2018 06:05
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I think the problem was that they seemed like they worked backwards on the idea of Diaz/Dragon. I'm assuming they came up with the character and the idea that he'd be the secret mastermind. They came up with the idea of putting him as one of Cayden's lackies to pull the Keyser Soze trick. Then they filled up Cayden's lackies with familiar characters in Black Siren, Anatoly, and Vigilante to make Diaz less conspicuous. But since we were familiar with those three and two of them kept getting story and character work this season Diaz just ended up feeling at best like a warm body with Anatoly to fill out the ranks or at worst an anonymous grunt like Whats-His-Face who Vigilante killed. None of it speaks to whether or not he'll be a good villain in the second half. We really have no idea. Its really just about that mid-season surprise that kind of flopped. I like Acevedo and think he plays a great villain so I'm hopeful.
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Feb 15, 2018 19:14
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STAC Goat posted:I think the problem was that they seemed like they worked backwards on the idea of Diaz/Dragon. I'm assuming they came up with the character and the idea that he'd be the secret mastermind. They came up with the idea of putting him as one of Cayden's lackies to pull the Keyser Soze trick. Then they filled up Cayden's lackies with familiar characters in Black Siren, Anatoly, and Vigilante to make Diaz less conspicuous. But since we were familiar with those three and two of them kept getting story and character work this season Diaz just ended up feeling at best like a warm body with Anatoly to fill out the ranks or at worst an anonymous grunt like Whats-His-Face who Vigilante killed. Kirk Avacado is a kickass time traveller too.
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Feb 17, 2018 09:21
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Rocksicles posted:Kirk Avacado is a kickass time traveller too. He was totally owned by a shape shifting cyborg and oh snap maybe the final villain of the season is a parallel universe Oliver Queen.
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Feb 17, 2018 14:31
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We already killed one of those this season.
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Feb 17, 2018 15:21
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Rewatching season 1 because apparently I hate myself It’s so weird that not only does Sara have a different actress, she looks nothing like her Did I just mentally replace her original actress with Katie Lotz?
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Feb 19, 2018 08:36
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Nodosaur posted:Rewatching season 1 because apparently I hate myself Yes. From season 2 onward Caity Lotz takes over the role. I honestly must not have been paying attention because I watched the first few episodes a few months back and I honestly thought it was Caity Lotz, so maybe I did the same thing myself. But then again Sara only shows up for like five minutes in Season 1, so it's not like her having a different actor really matters all that much anyway.
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Feb 19, 2018 09:52
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IIRC any flashback stuff with Sara from that point on also featured Caity Lotz. So our real memories of fake events have now been influenced by retroactive fake memories as well.
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Feb 19, 2018 22:30
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Yeah, if I remember it right they even refilmed the shipwreck scenes with Lotz for her flashback stories so like, I literally picture her when I try and remember that scene of Sara being swept away. I can't tell you what the original Sara looked like.
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Feb 19, 2018 22:38
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The original Sara has dark hair too.
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Feb 19, 2018 22:43
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she's also at least a foot taller than Katie.
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Feb 19, 2018 22:51
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There's a law firm that does commercials in my area and one of the people on it has a distinctly similar appearance to Kate Cassidy
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Feb 20, 2018 03:55
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You loving Ninnies, you just dealt with someone faking video evidence of Oliver, and yet you all instantly believe that a video of "Laurel" is proof that she stole the money? loving idiots. eh, so Laurel has the money? But they're still ninnies. howe_sam fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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Mar 2, 2018 03:17
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When did the show start thinking we cared about Vince? Because I don't give a gently caress that he's dead or that evil Laurel killed him. This Outsiders poo poo is tiring.
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Mar 2, 2018 04:34
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It really is astounding how unsympathetic the Outsiders are. Are we supposed to be thinking that Ollie and the Originals are in the wrong here? Because Rene as I understand it is still preparing to testify against Oliver in open court, and even his severe injury at Oliver's hands came after Ollie literally said "Last chance, stay down," which Curtis even witnessed! They certainly seem to have taken it far enough that it's hard to imagine the team ever really coming back together, so I'm at least curious where they plan to go from here. As for the money, Laurel almost certainly doesn't have it, but if you're wounded and a superhero wants to kill you it's best to pretend like you have leverage long enough for the other superheroes to get you out of town.
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We came to fight you but then you put Renee in the hospital and that's the line right there
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