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Cerebral Bore posted:Buddy, I think your priorities need straightening. Combo of capitalism and ecohippies is in fact the biggest threat against mankind right now because of coal. Slowing down either influence helps.
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Oon paskal taas Humpparis. AMA.
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Jerry Cotton posted:Oon paskal taas Humpparis. AMA. Jos koputtaa loosin seinään niin vastataanko
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If we were to have a magical sequence of events to halve the global power consumption but produce it with coal, we're far worse off than if we keep on multiplying our power consumption but supply it with uranium. Even if we had a core melting down every 10 years, the damage would only be local it woud still still be better than ruining our entire atmosphere.
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SnowblindFatal posted:If we were to have a magical sequence of events to halve the global power consumption but produce it with coal, we're far worse off than if we keep on multiplying our power consumption but supply it with uranium. Even if we had a core melting down every 10 years, the damage would only be local it woud still still be better than ruining our entire atmosphere. I don't think you know that much about nuclear power if you have these sort of opinions. There's absolutely huge issues with nuclear power production which are not related to Green talking points at all. Technology isn't magic.
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sähköä tulee töpselistä
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HerraS posted:sähköä tulee töpselistä Ei mun iphone mitään sähköä tarvii, siinä johdossa on applen logo
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It'd be easier to be in favour of nuclear power if Finnish nuclear plant projects weren't such a complete farce.
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SulphagneSocialist posted:It'd be easier to be in favour of nuclear power if Finnish nuclear plant projects weren't such a complete farce. There's also the thing where somewhere around 2007 or 2008 the DoE in the US released their massive study about the future possibilities of nuclear power, and came to the conclusion that the needs of energy production can't be solved with nuclear power on account of various factors, such as bottlenecked production (there's only something like two or three manufacturers of critical components for reactors, and production of those can't be ramped up on a short notice), long development times for new plants and inefficiencies inherit in the nuclear power infrastructures. Their best prognosis for nuclear power usage was that nuclear power can maybe, if there's massive investment in the field NOW, cover the increase in energy needs for the world for the next 20 years. And this didn't happen. Pro-nuclear power in many forms is just nerd identity policies for the most part which ignores the complex nature of power production and power infrastructures. Now if you'd go "lets have public nuclear projects on a non-profit based model, and go big on renewable energy", that would be a completely different thing. But technology worshippers just go "nuclear is the solution." Kemper Boyd fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Mar 3, 2018 10:09
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Seems like Center’s Paavo problems are over for now, but in the opposite way one would have expected. What a man. https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-10100561
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Mar 3, 2018 10:42
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Truly a modern day martyr.
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Mar 3, 2018 10:43
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Hyvä Paavo
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Mar 3, 2018 11:01
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Liian Kepu kansalaispuolueelle.
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uncop posted:Seems like Center’s Paavo problems are over for now, but in the opposite way one would have expected. What a man. Well, now Väyrynen has no issues that would stop him from competing for the post of Center Party chairman. 
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Kemper Boyd posted:Nuclear Yes, but on the other hand German greens shut down already operational plants and replaced them with coal.
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Sounds like all problems related to nuclear power are such that they could be overcome. However, using coal without polluting our atmosphere is a bit out of reach with our current understanding of physics. And yes, as the poster above mentions, renewable energy has its share of issues (energy storage and so on) to be solved. It's not realistic to assume that they will take over big enough chunks of our energy production any time soon. SnowblindFatal fucked around with this message at 13:24 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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doverhog posted:Yes, but on the other hand German greens shut down already operational plants and replaced them with coal. That was the German kok, actually.
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Cerebral Bore posted:That was the German kok, actually. Ahh yes, we simply need to disband the use of uranium as an energy source at the same time as we have a socialist revolution to prevent the righties from ruining any good plans.
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Jos vastavallankumoukselliset laitetaan uuniin, niin kyllähän siitä voimalaitos tai pari saadaan aikaiseksi 
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SnowblindFatal posted:Ahh yes, we simply need to disband the use of uranium as an energy source at the same time as we have a socialist revolution to prevent the righties from ruining any good plans. Don't get me wrong. Deep down you all know I wish this would happen. Maybe if people like me believed in it enough...
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SnowblindFatal posted:Ahh yes, we simply need to disband the use of uranium as an energy source at the same time as we have a socialist revolution to prevent the righties from ruining any good plans. The gently caress is this and what's it got to do with anything?
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Has anyone ever seen Paavo Väyrynen and Brother Christmas in the same room together???
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Fired from a party you founded. Just incredible 
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DarkCrawler posted:Fired from a party you founded. Just incredible Väyrynen did in two years what took 20 years from Soini (okay, Timo resigned himself but he lost his party all the same)
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Mar 3, 2018 14:58
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Cerebral Bore posted:That was the German kok, actually. They did it due to green pressure and propaganda.
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doverhog posted:They did it due to green pressure and propaganda. Pretty interesting that a party with like 10% of the seats in the Bundestag apparently can dictate German policy at will. Wonder why they've never used this superpower for other stuff.
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SnowblindFatal posted:Sounds like all problems related to nuclear power are such that they could be overcome. No, that's just your Dunning-Kruger talking.
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Kemper Boyd posted:No, that's just your Dunning-Kruger talking.  Switching fully over to nuclear would, indeed, be a long process. That doesn't mean anti-nuclear propaganda hasn't already massively harmed the environment. You're quoting studies you haven't even read. Nuclear is far from perfect, but it's better than coal.
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The only problem with nuclear power is contracting to the cheapest possible supplier and then being surprised that they can't build things reliably.
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It's like buying Chinese steel and then being surprised that it's actually all just styrofoam and assorted garbage. Who would have thought?!
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Nuclear power has been crippled by choosing the development path for power generation based on military needs, and the stop in development in the 80s. People complain about uranium mining being dirty (it is, you can't only concentrate uranium so you end up with heavy metal sludge), but we've proven non-polluting extraction from seawater with a fraction of the green house gas emissions as from mining, but its marginally more expensive (fuel is a rounding error in nuclear budgets) so we keep on mining instead. Capitalism doesn't care about externalities, unless you price them. Nuclear power plant construction is bottle necked by the manufacture of large pressure vessels and the regulatory process, its a bit too late to react now. But that is a legacy from the military development path as well as the licensing process incentivizing large reactors.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Pretty interesting that a party with like 10% of the seats in the Bundestag apparently can dictate German policy at will. Wonder why they've never used this superpower for other stuff. They helped in making the public opinion in Germany hysterically anti-nuclear, which then caused the switch to coal. Also I mean everyone who is ideologically anti nuclear, and drat the environment, whether they be a member of the Green party or not.
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Our Savior Pave is here to explain what this is all about.God Emperor of Finland posted:Eilen Kansalaispuolueesta julkisuuteen tulleisiin outoihin uutisiin on luonnollinen selitys: on meneillään puolueen kaappausyritys.
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Good that he's honest about what he's doing, I guess?
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Nuclear power is great if you think it is a platonic ideal floating around in a theoretical void, completely devoid of any interactions with societies it is supposed to run
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Päivän Paavo: https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000005595230.html?ref=rss
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"nuclear power is very safe, we should deregulate it" "tell me more" "coal kills thousands of times more people than nuclear power" "which one is more regulated" "nuclear power by like thousands of times"
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Wow IS really cutting corners nowadays huh. Letting the reporter also do all the editing work.
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There are two generations of people who have seen satires of Paavo their entire lifetimes, and the monster is with us.
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