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Keep in mind that established companies in the tech industry have much larger profit margins than other sectors of the economy. You would need a farcical definition of exploitation to look at for example apple's profit margins and come to the conclusion that no worker being paid six figures is being taken advantage of there. Tech workers stress the importance of the dog and pony show you have to put on when negotiating compensation with an employer, but they also bizarrely stress the importance of not organizing for more leverage and ceding the power of organization to the other side of the table.
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I'm new at this "customer isn't somebody in the same building" business: Customer: "We reviewed the changes and they look great! Here are some edits." Word doc: "Add these new elements, change some copy, make these questions required, move these around." Me, to my boss: "I think I went over budget during the first go-around, but we should consider the time spent as only three hours, matching the high end of the original estimate for the first phase, because a lot of the time I spent was just me stumbling around and learning where to change stuff." Boss: "Okay, is anything in their Word doc beyond the scope of the original request?" Me: "The copy changes are fine, but the new elements they requested will take another hour or two. Also, some of these requests should probably have been in the original spec. (Hint, hint, you gotta ask what questions are required when making a form for a customer.)" Boss, to customer: "These changes put us past the original estimate of eight hours [for the whole project, not just the first phase], but we'll be nice and let it slide. Next time, you'd better make all your requests on the first contract, though!" That's not what I saaaaaid! And not quite whom I blaaaamed! 
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comedyblissoption posted:Tech workers stress the importance of the dog and pony show you have to put on when negotiating compensation with an employer, but they also bizarrely stress the importance of not organizing for more leverage and ceding the power of organization to the other side of the table. baquerd posted:Do you want me to name companies so you can apply to them, to tear them down, or what? I don't see how naming specific companies will benefit the discussion compared to keeping things abstract.
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JawnV6 posted:I dunno, if you just wanna carelessly toss out wrong poo poo and refuse to back it up with so much as a "smaller companies are better" and hang around the thread with your whole rear end out that's on you. Naming a company would be a quick way to filter through some of those qualifications and understand where you think the exploitation is smaller or at least tolerable. Giving out any qualification besides "300k," the only actual fact you've attached to this raft of poo poo, would also be good! Do you have a counter-argument or are you just yelling at clouds here? You seem to assume that I fully understand your viewpoint and argument, but I assure you I do not. Can you please explain it to me? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Bongo Bill posted:It's possible to be both highly compensated and paid less than your labor is worth, and when this happens it is often due to price-fixing, either on the part of your employer or of a competitor taking advantage of the unfairly depressed competition.
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My morning so far: trying to figure out what this 150-line function does, along with the 62-line SQL query it builds. It's really tough to resist the urge to refactor stuff to make writing tests easier before a single line in the original function is covered!
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Feb 23, 2018 19:20
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If you liked, you should've put a test on it. 
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Feb 23, 2018 21:59
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My boss just hosed up and merged an upcoming docker branch into our master branch and doesn't realize it yet. I'm gently nudging him going "nuh uh, its hosed up" and pointing at the commit log on master
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Feb 25, 2018 23:46
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KoRMaK posted:My boss just hosed up and merged an upcoming docker branch into our master branch and doesn't realize it yet. FWIW, we have things setup where you can't merge into master w/o a signed off PR. Has saved many disasters.
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Feb 26, 2018 18:10
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I am probably gonna have to institute something similar. Linux dev breaking build on Windows I can live with, thats what CI is for. Linux dev breaking build on Linux in super obvious way and still pushing that commit, I cannot. 
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Feb 26, 2018 20:09
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I don't understand how it's even legal to push to master without a reviewed pull request and successful build.
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Feb 26, 2018 20:56
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Keetron posted:git push -f origin master Not setting master as a protected branch. 
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Feb 26, 2018 21:05
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BabyFur Denny posted:I don't understand how it's even legal to push to master without a reviewed pull request and successful build. At a minimum it should be: Develop -> staging -> master.
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Keetron posted:git push -f origin master Yea, I want to do that. It's hard for me to take the keys away from this guy.
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Ah, the delicate, escalating dance of "Does anybody know what happened to X?" to "Hey, team Y, do you know what happened to X?" to "Hey person Z, do you know what happened to X?" to a company-wide email that says, "Person Z broke the poo poo out of X at 10:23 A.M. this morning by not paying attention!" I think my attempts to be Socratic have had about a 5% success rate.
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Pixelboy posted:FWIW, we have things setup where you can't merge into master w/o a signed off PR. We have it set up so that you need a human reviewer and a successful Jenkins build (as well as some other company-specific checks).
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ultrafilter posted:We have it set up so that you need a human reviewer and a successful Jenkins build (as well as some other company-specific checks). Pretty much this, all that kicks off in parallel w/ a pending PR -- but the merge won't happen until all the steps are complete. We use VSTS for our CI though.
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Feb 27, 2018 01:23
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I have admin on everything, so protected branches don’t stop me!
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How stupid of an idea is it to quit my current job before I have a new one lined up? I'm extremely miserable all the time and my work environment is really unhealthy. Also lining up meetings, interviews, practice for interviews, etc, is really hard when you're also working full-time. Apparently it's common at many places to have interviews that are 2 hours or more. I was advised by some people with good intentions to wait, but I don't know if I can.
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Taffer posted:How stupid of an idea is it to quit my current job before I have a new one lined up? I'm extremely miserable all the time and my work environment is really unhealthy. Also lining up meetings, interviews, practice for interviews, etc, is really hard when you're also working full-time. Apparently it's common at many places to have interviews that are 2 hours or more. I'd also recommend waiting, unless it's genuinely that bad there. It's easier to get a job when you have a job. But yes, interviews are all oriented towards people who have hours to kill in a day, and it's hosed up.
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Taffer posted:How stupid of an idea is it to quit my current job before I have a new one lined up? I'm extremely miserable all the time and my work environment is really unhealthy. Also lining up meetings, interviews, practice for interviews, etc, is really hard when you're also working full-time. Apparently it's common at many places to have interviews that are 2 hours or more. Will you be more or less miserable if you find yourself with no job and no income for longer than it takes for your next few cycles of bills to arrive?
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Feb 27, 2018 23:22
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Taffer posted:How stupid of an idea is it to quit my current job before I have a new one lined up? I'm extremely miserable all the time and my work environment is really unhealthy. Also lining up meetings, interviews, practice for interviews, etc, is really hard when you're also working full-time. Apparently it's common at many places to have interviews that are 2 hours or more. It's a bad idea. Being between jobs will eat your savings quickly, you're in a worse negotiating position, and who knows when can you actually start working even if you get a job offer right away. In short, tried it once, wouldn't recommend.
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Taffer posted:How stupid of an idea is it to quit my current job before I have a new one lined up? I'm extremely miserable all the time and my work environment is really unhealthy. Also lining up meetings, interviews, practice for interviews, etc, is really hard when you're also working full-time. Apparently it's common at many places to have interviews that are 2 hours or more. How much of a safety fund / runway do you have before you're destitute?
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Taffer posted:How stupid of an idea is it to quit my current job before I have a new one lined up? I'm extremely miserable all the time and my work environment is really unhealthy. Also lining up meetings, interviews, practice for interviews, etc, is really hard when you're also working full-time. Apparently it's common at many places to have interviews that are 2 hours or more. Apparently it is easier to find a job if you already have one. Saw that on some online article.
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I took six months off to just chill after being in my first job for four years. I had two years worth of savings so wasn't financially stressed and when I went to get a job it was easy. Interviewers asked why I decided to leave my last employer, I threw some garble about wanting to work on some personal projects (the only personal project of any import was playing The Witcher 3) and they didn't seem to care. The whole job search took a month, and half of that was waiting the two weeks it takes to get a "no" from Google. So basically if you have enough capital, are in a decent job market, and think you're a strong candidate otherwise, then it's fine.
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Eggnogium posted:I took six months off to just chill after being in my first job for four years. I had two years worth of savings so wasn't financially stressed and when I went to get a job it was easy. Interviewers asked why I decided to leave my last employer, I threw some garble about wanting to work on some personal projects (the only personal project of any import was playing The Witcher 3) and they didn't seem to care. The whole job search took a month, and half of that was waiting the two weeks it takes to get a "no" from Google. This assumes you have the skills to be in demand, of course.
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Eggnogium posted:I took six months off to just chill after being in my first job for four years. I had two years worth of savings so wasn't financially stressed and when I went to get a job it was easy. Interviewers asked why I decided to leave my last employer, I threw some garble about wanting to work on some personal projects (the only personal project of any import was playing The Witcher 3) and they didn't seem to care. The whole job search took a month, and half of that was waiting the two weeks it takes to get a "no" from Google. This. Pollyanna posted:This assumes you have the skills to be in demand, of course. If you don't, you'd be in the same position while still having a job right? Maybe unpaid leave? With the option to return? Mr Shiny Pants fucked around with this message at 06:53 on Feb 28, 2018 |
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Welp, guess the outgoing developer forgot to tell me about an important step in the deployment of this application: actually importing the list of allowed users. Now it's time to wait to see if he checks his email at some point, because I don't have his phone number!
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The time without a job is a bit of a red flag for employers in fairly conservative regions / sectors that may not be used to having employees with plenty of job options and enough. It matters a bit more as you're higher up in seniority though where employers would like to see their higher management stay put in positions for at least a few years to see some initiatives. It's not like CTOs should be job hopping like engineers every other year to keep getting better pay, right?pigdog posted:It's a bad idea. Being between jobs will eat your savings quickly, you're in a worse negotiating position, and who knows when can you actually start working even if you get a job offer right away. In short, tried it once, wouldn't recommend.
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Thanks to everyone's input. I think I will stick where I am for the time being till I find a good opportunity. I have a little less cash on hand than I'd like for a long-term wait - I've done it in the past but I usually had a little bit of a cushion to run on. I'm low on money this time around because of some unfortunate situations. It'll let me be picky and take something that's good for my career instead of needing to jump at the first half-decent opportunity.necrobobsledder posted:The time without a job is a bit of a red flag for employers in fairly conservative regions / sectors that may not be used to having employees with plenty of job options and enough. It matters a bit more as you're higher up in seniority though where employers would like to see their higher management stay put in positions for at least a few years to see some initiatives. It's not like CTOs should be job hopping like engineers every other year to keep getting better pay, right? ...But I do feel this a lot. I can handle being poor, I've been there before (a lot), and the mental (and emotional) toll of a miserable job is extremely taxing to me. There is a valuable freedom in simply having time to reset between jobs, particularly after a bad job, to make sure all the negativity and bad attitude has had time to shake out fully before starting on something new. Bad environments are not only really toxic but really contagious, it's easy to take all the negativity from one place and transplant it right to the next place if you're not careful about getting it all out of your system first. I do kind of wonder if I'll ever get the mythical Good Job. Everywhere I've worked has had good aspects, but they've all degraded pretty quickly to company-wide bad attitude as a result of poor management decisions, which soon turns toxic and leads to big chunks of the workforce quitting or being fired.
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Has anyone worked on a coding team that's split across countries? I've been getting increasingly nervous ever since I first heard "we'll hire some new programmers for this project we're putting you on, but we don't have the budget to hire them in the US". I've been able to deal with the warning signs of trouble so far because I'm low enough on the totem pole that the growing corporate dysfunction at higher levels hasn't had much impact on my day-to-day work yet, but this is starting to really test my resolve.
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My product team is split between the US and England, but there's a very clear delineation of responsibilities between teams, and there's no one group of ICs that's split across countries. I think breaking that promise would not work very well.
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Main Paineframe posted:Has anyone worked on a coding team that's split across countries? I've been getting increasingly nervous ever since I first heard "we'll hire some new programmers for this project we're putting you on, but we don't have the budget to hire them in the US". I've been able to deal with the warning signs of trouble so far because I'm low enough on the totem pole that the growing corporate dysfunction at higher levels hasn't had much impact on my day-to-day work yet, but this is starting to really test my resolve. Yes, I'm in the US and have worked as part of a team that was mainly in Mexico, but that was a highly skilled and appropriately compensated team that was part of a partner company. Getting a foreign team for the sake of saving money is always bad news. Software development is a secondary duty in my current job, but our team is completely remote and spread across several countries. It works just fine as long as we take care to schedule the occasional meeting that's compatible with everyone's timezone. We're also a group of talkative people who don't isolate ourselves and use our company chat system heavily.
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If you have mostly different, fairly decoupled functions then it's generally ok to be across different timezones and offices typically, and it's even better if your engineering workflow is enhanced by people being distributed (most companies' workflows are just plain not as discussed for like 8 pages ITT). You probably want a bit of overlap but in one office I had coworkers in Bangalore and another group in Cluj-Napoca and it worked out pretty well for us honestly. I worked on the high-priority stuff that needed to be shipped out quickly for business reasons, if that demoed well I'd polish up what I had to and transferred it over to the engineers in Cluj that would better productize it, and nightly our QA team in Bangalore would take a look at our commits and test the garbage heap. When I came into work, there'd be a test suite report (beyond the stuff that's done by CI that is) and I'd be able to quickly look over what's going on and if anything was urgent I'd get it shaped up and if it was lower priority I'd make a few notes and the Romanian team would take a crack at it that night. Timezones were better overlapping between Romania and PST compared to IST so I'd usually be able to get a quick word in with folks at the office there before they left for the end of the day since they were usually who worked last on the codebase. I really liked that working arrangement honestly. The problem with cost-saving measures in my experience isn't as much about the measures as much as the fact the business isn't really making enough money and that causes everything to go downhill quickly in terms of morale and emotions.
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Main Paineframe posted:Has anyone worked on a coding team that's split across countries? I've been getting increasingly nervous ever since I first heard "we'll hire some new programmers for this project we're putting you on, but we don't have the budget to hire them in the US". I've been able to deal with the warning signs of trouble so far because I'm low enough on the totem pole that the growing corporate dysfunction at higher levels hasn't had much impact on my day-to-day work yet, but this is starting to really test my resolve. e: clearly you won't be getting Hyderabad prices, but it's probably the best cost/benefit proposition if you're going to outsource Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 3, 2018 |
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Main Paineframe posted:Has anyone worked on a coding team that's split across countries? I've been getting increasingly nervous ever since I first heard "we'll hire some new programmers for this project we're putting you on, but we don't have the budget to hire them in the US". I've been able to deal with the warning signs of trouble so far because I'm low enough on the totem pole that the growing corporate dysfunction at higher levels hasn't had much impact on my day-to-day work yet, but this is starting to really test my resolve. The problem here isn't that they're going to be in a different country - that presents some organizational challenges but isn't really a big deal. The problem is that they're hiring to save money, which means they won't be putting quality and compatibility first when hiring. You'll get a dysfunctional team, I'd get out of there sooner rather than later. Also, as others said, these kind of desperate moves to save money are usually a signal of even worse things to come unless there is some kind of miraculous recovery, which isn't likely. Once a company lowers their standards enough to make moves like that, they don't really come back up.
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Taffer posted:The problem here isn't that they're going to be in a different country - that presents some organizational challenges but isn't really a big deal. The problem is that they're hiring to save money, which means they won't be putting quality and compatibility first when hiring. You'll get a dysfunctional team, I'd get out of there sooner rather than later. It *COULD* be a bit better than that. My company has dev offices in Seattle, SFO, London, Stockholm, Barcelona, etc... If they decide that they're going to hire 4 heads in Stockholm and 2 in SFO it's not necessarily due to budget cuts but rather the size of the locations. Now if they're instead saying, "We're going to get some Serbian contractors for 500/mo..." that's something different.
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I was loaned to another team for short term going on 2 weeks now. Since then I have got the project built and have done 1 lovely plunkr to demonstrate an idea. They have a jira board, but it's broke and so we are using a wax paper board. I'm not allowed to take tickets until next sprint because all the work is already assigned. Also they don't want me pairing with anyone because everybody is already paired and I'm the odd one out.
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Rubellavator posted:I was loaned to another team for short term going on 2 weeks now. Since then I have got the project built and have done 1 lovely plunkr to demonstrate an idea. They have a jira board, but it's broke and so we are using a wax paper board. I'm not allowed to take tickets until next sprint because all the work is already assigned. Also they don't want me pairing with anyone because everybody is already paired and I'm the odd one out. Clearly they really needed you to be loaned to them.
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