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Der Waffle Mous posted:Brahman is complicated, yo. Point.
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The NecroMech chat should probably be in the KS thread at this point.
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so what's the difference between dieselpunk and gaspunk e: oops, missed the last page, I did not intend to encourage people to discuss the question of *punk taxonomy in the wrong thread Jeb Bush 2012 fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Mar 2, 2018 |
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:so what's the difference between dieselpunk and gaspunk In Dieselpunk the air is compressed first, and then the fuel is injected.
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Bedlamdan posted:In Dieselpunk the air is compressed first, and then the fuel is injected. Also everyone wears denim and bandanas instead of tweed and gears
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The Rob Zombie's Dragula aesthetic
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dieselpunk can be cool, it's steampunk's cool cousin
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Xelkelvos posted:The funny thing about RPGs is that they could totally be organized like board games where it's 2-6 hours of people at a table with their character sheets, their resolution system of choice and whatever visual or textual aids that they need with single sessions being more or less one and done things. This is the sort of culture Japan has with their RPGs where, rather than having a series of shorter sessions over the course of months or years, it's one or two extended sessions that go from start to finish. You can see this in the Double Cross and Tenra Bnasho books that got translated as they explain the general flow of a game where, in the former, players are totally expected to burn themselves out and go out with a bang by the end of the session as part of the climax. This is built into the system and written as the intended mode of play. The tradeoff for that, though, is the relatively light nature of these systems (that I've seen, anyway) which might lower their appeal to the kind of people at organized gaming clubs who are there for "board games or whatever's going". I mean, there's times when I'd totally just want to relax at games club by being in a GSS session and being a cute fox kid who's helpful to people, but not everyone's going to want that (or feel comfortable admitting it, for that matter!)
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sexpig by night posted:dieselpunk can be cool, it's steampunk's cool cousin This is a theoretical cousin, right, like the high school girlfriend you don't know because she lives in Canada? 'cause I ain't never seen an actual dieselpunk work.
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Wasn't Sky Captain supposed to be good? And 90s Warzone / Mutant Chronicles had a great vibe.
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i loved sky captain but i'm not sure if i would call it "good"
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Mors Rattus posted:This is a theoretical cousin, right, like the high school girlfriend you don't know because she lives in Canada? I mean, the only working steampunk is The Difference Engine, so in that respect they're pretty closely related.
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Also note that The Difference Engine is as or more heavy on the "punk" side of the genre. The advanced industrial revolution literally causes London to be uninhabitable in the summer and the rich people move away, leaving the poors to suffocate and die. The Captains of Industry turn out to be worse than the old nobility and the epilogue is literally an epistolary description of how the leader of the revolution was a disgusting, abusive pedophile.
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Lemon-Lime posted:I mean, the only working steampunk is The Difference Engine, so in that respect they're pretty closely related. Arcanum was mostly okay. The writing, anyway, outside of the gnome illuminati quest. I am also a fan of Fitzpatrick's War.
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Scott Westerfield's Leviathan series is pretty good, Cherie Priest's stuff tends to be solid, China Miéville's Bas-Lag stuff has a lot of steam punk in it. It's not the core pitch for Dread Nation but it's definitely of that era, and I've heard good things. Basically there's still a lot of crap in steampunk and dieselpunk and as fashion/lifestyle movements they remain full of awful people, but there's an increasing body of works that are worth checking out. In part because people are pushing back at the white colonialist fantasy and using the backdrop to tell the kind of stories that should be told in it.
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I thought dieselpunk was... well, diesel-powered tech, and more tended to cover stuff that had a fantasy interwar-ish tone?
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I feel like dieselpunk is a term that the designer of said bad RPG created because he wanted to do steampunk... but better! And different! (it isn't any different at all, is it Steve?)
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LuiCypher posted:I feel like dieselpunk is a term that the designer of said bad RPG created because he wanted to do steampunk... but better! And different! Nah, it's been around for a while. A decade at least, maybe more.
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Mors Rattus posted:This is a theoretical cousin, right, like the high school girlfriend you don't know because she lives in Canada?  Crimson Skies
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Acebuckeye13 posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqLr0Qy-DyE
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I was sad that there has never been a Tailspin RPG but then I discovered there is a terrible fan-made one and now I'm...more sad.
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Someone needs to do this right. Or make a flight path game/mod E: then again, tale-spin was never really about arial combat (more one side trying to avoid the bandits and get to safety)
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sexpig by night posted:dieselpunk can be cool, it's steampunk's cool cousin Diesel is Shaq & Kevin Nash. Kriegszeppelin Valkyrie is a Fate Skypirates game.
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Mors Rattus posted:This is a theoretical cousin, right, like the high school girlfriend you don't know because she lives in Canada? I think dieselpunk pretty accurately describes Final Fantasy VII just from hearing it. This is the only thing I've seen it used to describe and now I'm convinced it was created to describe Final Fantasy VII.
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They use Mako energy, not diesel
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Nickoten posted:I think dieselpunk pretty accurately describes Final Fantasy VII just from hearing it. This is the only thing I've seen it used to describe and now I'm convinced it was created to describe Final Fantasy VII. It describes, maybe, the first disc. After a while the aesthetic goes out the window and it's just normal Final Fantasy gobbledygook.
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Nickoten posted:I think dieselpunk pretty accurately describes Final Fantasy VII just from hearing it. This is the only thing I've seen it used to describe and now I'm convinced it was created to describe Final Fantasy VII. Final Fantasy VII is cyberpunk, just a different strain of it than the kind that's heavily concerned with information technology.
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Kwyndig posted:Final Fantasy gobbledygook. Excuse me?
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The first disk is the best part of the game and the whole game would've been better if it all took place in Midgar, anyways. But yes, it's cyberpunk. Select parts of FF6 would be far closer to dieselpunk.
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Cyberpunk that visits the suburbs.
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Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow is a pretty clear example of Dieselpunk. Also The Rocketeer. Edit: Basically retro futurism with roughly 20s to 40s aesthetics. Steampunk is Victorian aesthetics while Atompunk/Ray gun gothic is 50s. Xelkelvos fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Mar 4, 2018 |
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ProfessorCirno posted:The first disk is the best part of the game and the whole game would've been better if it all took place in Midgar, anyways. Well go play Crisis Core then
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Bongo Bill posted:Cyberpunk that visits the suburbs. I'd be down for reading a series of suburban cyberpunk stories. Just a bunch of working stiffs' bratty kids running around thinking that they're shadowrunners. That sounds in my head like it would be fun.
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Qoey posted:I'd be down for reading a series of suburban cyberpunk stories. Just a bunch of working stiffs' bratty kids running around thinking that they're shadowrunners. That sounds in my head like it would be fun. This is Snow Crash, isn't it? At least the first half of it and the bits that aren't about the internet. A bunch of copycat suburbs, corporate owned, each with their own currency.
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*clears throat loudly* eberron is khyberpunk
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Kwyndig posted:It describes, maybe, the first disc. After a while the aesthetic goes out the window and it's just normal Final Fantasy gobbledygook. Having replayed this I know this is not true. (Spoilers for a 20 year-old game) The game spends a lot of time showing you how the rest of the world has suffered under the mass industrialization Shinra has forced upon them. Disc 2 has a lot of moments that show you how far Shinra stretches: from deep underwater to outer space. Hell, the game shows us that Shinra's cannon can defeat the planet's own guardians in one shot. Twice. I think FF7 is a good example of the 90's. It really pushes that message of "technology is bad, the planet's dying because of it" that I think was a core tenant of the decade. That was the era of Captain Planet and Fern Gully, trying to push to kids that nature needed saving. Plutonis posted:They use Mako energy, not diesel Makopunk then? 
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:*clears throat loudly* eberron is khyberpunk Best advice I got from this forum was running Eberron with the Marked Houses as cyberpunk corps.
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Jeb Bush 2012 posted:*clears throat loudly* eberron is khyberpunk It's dungeon punk! *screams loudly while shaking you* It's literally dungeon punk
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