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Jimmy4400nav
Apr 1, 2011

Ambassador to Moonlandia

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Apparently there are multiple people who have spent significant chunks of their enlistment in boot camp medical hold. I went through boot in 2003.

Not quite the same but at OCS we had a few dudes and dudettes who'd been in the medical holding company for almost the better part of a year. One of the girls was telling us about one girl who'd been there for nine months due to getting her hip hosed up bad during Fast Cruise. Apparently they'd merged the medical holding company with the general "H" class (the place they put the people who rolled back due to PT or evolution fails) a little before her time after some person went out on medical liberty and came back smashed and passed out on the quarterdeck.

I miss those guys, they were like our version of Red from Shawshank Redemption, they knew their way around the base and make sure we didn't screw up too bad.

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Anita Dickinme
Jan 24, 2013


Grimey Drawer
A million or two to sink another ship seems worth it to me seeing as though everyone we’ve been at war with the last 40 years hasn’t had anything more than a dingy fleet. :shrug:

Dingleberry
Aug 21, 2011
http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/news/deputy-justified-in-fatal-shooting-prosecutor-finds/


Chiefs gone wild up here on the Island.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB



Life certainly is a drag.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012




Lol that chief is gonna get nailed to the loving wall by his command for bailing on standing watch.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


I got orders to attend the most nautical of destinations for a class.
Anyone know a good steak house in Fort Worth, Texas?

Nick Soapdish
Apr 27, 2008


LingcodKilla posted:

I got orders to attend the most nautical of destinations for a class.
Anyone know a good steak house in Fort Worth, Texas?

Okay, so, few questions to help me figure out how far afield into the Metroplex you can go.

I assume it is onboard NAS FW at either the NOSC or JRIC. Will you have a rental car/are you driving down from PNW? Are you staying onbase or off? There are good restaurants in Fort Worth but a lot more as you go east toward Dallas.

DustyNuts
Jun 1, 2000

Have you seen me?

If you're willing to make the trip, this is the best BBQ I've ever had (ever): http://pecanlodge.com/

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Nick Soapdish posted:

Okay, so, few questions to help me figure out how far afield into the Metroplex you can go.

I assume it is onboard NAS FW at either the NOSC or JRIC. Will you have a rental car/are you driving down from PNW? Are you staying onbase or off? There are good restaurants in Fort Worth but a lot more as you go east toward Dallas.

I’ll have a rental and flying in really early on my travel day to see at least one museum for a few hours and stuff my face from between the airport and Fort Worth. Most likely I’ll be in a local hotel.
I’m flying commercial from Seattle.

DustyNuts
Jun 1, 2000

Have you seen me?

The Perot Museum of Nature and Science is really great. The Sixth Floor Museum is also pretty cool, you can go stand on the "X's" they painted on the street below that marks where the bullets struck.

I'll stress again that the Pecan Lodge is really really good.

I'm from Dallas, so I can probably help if you have any specific questions.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Word. I’ll keep that in mind because it will be whirlwind tour.

Mr. Bad Guy
Jun 28, 2006
I passed my final board for Master Training Specialist today so now I can tell people how important it is to get MTS and also chief stops bugging me. The only reason to get any qual ever. Passed my murder board on my dinq date lol #Tomahawkers

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp

Mr. Bad Guy posted:

I passed my final board for Master Training Specialist today so now I can tell people how important it is to get MTS and also chief stops bugging me. The only reason to get any qual ever. Passed my murder board on my dinq date lol #Tomahawkers

Mts is useful if you want to do dod curriculum development.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Wow, what a day. I'm finally a real Seabee, I watched as foreign nationals did my taskings

CMD598
Apr 12, 2013
Did they do it better or worse?

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


maffew buildings posted:

Wow, what a day. I'm finally a real Seabee, I watched as foreign nationals did my taskings

How much did you pay them to suck off your chief?

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
It's the local maritime cops, their boss told them to help. No chief is involved in the project. They are doing a better job than we could at the tasks they have gone in on.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



maffew buildings posted:

Wow, what a day. I'm finally a real Seabee, I watched as foreign nationals did my taskings

Hell yes you have ascended

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


So I got a tour of the Stennis today.

I may have volunteered for 30 days orders after talking to a master chief. Apparently they have some ADSW money for just this.

Can’t wait to crank for 30 days.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



LingcodKilla posted:

So I got a tour of the Stennis today.

I may have volunteered for 30 days orders after talking to a master chief. Apparently they have some ADSW money for just this.

Can’t wait to crank for 30 days.

Nah they won't send your rear end cranking for 30 days, they'll put you in a hideyhole somewhere. It probably won't be anywhere important unless you are competent though.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


orange juche posted:

Nah they won't send your rear end cranking for 30 days, they'll put you in a hideyhole somewhere. It probably won't be anywhere important unless you are competent though.

A much more competent IS1 from my unit got a similar deal on the Vinson a few years back and cranked the whole time. It super turned off the command sending us on ships.

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon
But you should be able to work and then crank on your off shift

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

LingcodKilla posted:

A much more competent IS1 from my unit got a similar deal on the Vinson a few years back and cranked the whole time. It super turned off the command sending us on ships.

Your SEL really should be talking to their CMC and LCPO to make sure that doesn't happen again.

Laranzu
Jan 18, 2002
We had a direct support team get sent cranking once.

Once.

ManMythLegend
Aug 18, 2003

I don't believe in anything, I'm just here for the violence.
lol at a carrier sending a reserve E6 cranking.

Othin
Nov 20, 2002

Hair Elf
Get the orders written to staff not ships company. NGA had one of their recent enlisted ship riders pulled out of MSI and put in supplot because the ship needed an extra watchstander.

Hekk
Oct 12, 2012

'smeper fi

I am no sailor but wouldn't it make more sense to use the reservists in their rates in order to free up others to do lovely things like be mess cranks or whatever ? That way you cover down on what needs to be done and don't piss off the guys loaning you free labor?

Viva Miriya
Jan 9, 2007

Nostalgia4Ass posted:

I am no sailor but wouldn't it make more sense to use the reservists in their rates in order to free up others to do lovely things like be mess cranks or whatever ? That way you cover down on what needs to be done and don't piss off the guys loaning you free labor?

stop making sense, this isn't how that poo poo works!

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Reservists are often not very useful at their actual job but any body is useful as a mess crank.

KetTarma
Jul 25, 2003

Suffer not the lobbyist to live.

Nostalgia4Ass posted:

I am no sailor but wouldn't it make more sense to use the reservists in their rates in order to free up others to do lovely things like be mess cranks or whatever ? That way you cover down on what needs to be done and don't piss off the guys loaning you free labor?

Most reservists I met had little knowledge of their own rate.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp

KetTarma posted:

Most reservists I met had little knowledge of their own rate.

Without active duty time I get it. Most NOSCs don't have poo poo for most rates to do.

Gray Matter
Apr 20, 2009

There's something inside your head..

KetTarma posted:

Most reservists I met had little knowledge of their own rate.
Can confirm. I had to crossrate to a completely different community when going from AD to RC. To this day I have been given exactly 0 school, training, or relevant experience in my new rate.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Huh. Lots of good things to keep in mind. I knew you guys would be useful.

I joined as an IT and got system admin C school so at least I got the most basic of training. I’m trying for radio school but this may actually be a good practical experience. Who knows what I’ll get mobbed to.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender
This is a fairly common problem and it almost always generates animosity. Sailors are liabilities that require investment to make useful and there's a lack of rigorous assessment to determine whether or how a reservist you're getting can actually help.

My next experiment will be to take a first-class and make him a personal assistant. Follow DIVO or LPO or Chief around, get coffee, carry stuff, and help scum for office supplies until I see a 3M qualification. I'll probably get yelled at for it, but I don't know what else to do.

Edit: LingcodKilla, don't balk at doing something like cranking or sweeping--you're helping even if it's out of rate, but if you do get to avoid those tasks, find /something/ you can do to help out the division or the guys you're sent to help will decide you're deadweight and not worth the effort. Maintain rigorous documentation of qualifications, have them readily available,, get qualified, and request maintenance program instructions and guidance as soon as you can to get up-to-speed and be useful. Study tagout procedures and prepare to redemonstrate from the beginning at every command you go to. If you can find a way to make the process efficient, you can actually be useful!

piL fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Mar 4, 2018

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


My attitude is just go with the flow and don’t balk at anything in public. All AT ends sooner or later and I get to go home. I’m very interested in learning what my rate does with radios so legit looking forward to this. Creating accounts and fighting with printers is cool and all but that’s only half the rate.
My command is encouraging me to go and give some feedback/lay a path for future sailors to do it since we never ever go afloat.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender

LingcodKilla posted:

My attitude is just go with the flow and don’t balk at anything in public. All AT ends sooner or later and I get to go home. I’m very interested in learning what my rate does with radios so legit looking forward to this. Creating accounts and fighting with printers is cool and all but that’s only half the rate.
My command is encouraging me to go and give some feedback/lay a path for future sailors to do it since we never ever go afloat.

Well then that's the path. When I was a baby ensign, my task was to UI every time until I could do something useful--hampered by the fact that everybody that knows how it works can't remember what it's like to not know how it works. Nobody likes a person who isn't useful for anything yet and nobody likes to be that person--the soonest you can find something that makes you an asset vice a liability, the happier you and everyone around you will be. If your command, the gaining command, and yourself can work together to find a way to fast track that, the better.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Mr. Nice! posted:

Reservists are often not very useful at their actual job but any body is useful as a mess crank.

KetTarma posted:

Most reservists I met had little knowledge of their own rate.


Yeah, there's a problem where if your contract that you sign with your recruiter doesn't include A school or C school, it's not funded and you aren't going. You get out of boot camp and sent to your first unit as an ET or OS or BM or whatever with literally no idea of what that actually entails.

That said, I never send that kind of sailor to a ship alone. I always make sure there are a few boots plus an experienced first class or chief so they actually learn something and become productive and everyone benefits. It doesn't benefit the reserves to get stuck as mess crankers and coffee bitches.

piL
Sep 20, 2007
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Taco Defender

Stultus Maximus posted:

Yeah, there's a problem where if your contract that you sign with your recruiter doesn't include A school or C school, it's not funded and you aren't going. You get out of boot camp and sent to your first unit as an ET or OS or BM or whatever with literally no idea of what that actually entails.

That said, I never send that kind of sailor to a ship alone. I always make sure there are a few boots plus an experienced first class or chief so they actually learn something and become productive and everyone benefits. It doesn't benefit the reserves to get stuck as mess crankers and coffee bitches.

You're good people! That was the difference with our actual last useful batch. They showed up with an LT SWO, a chief and two of the first classes just left active duty a week before and were able to show everyone else what's what.

Compare to two IT2s with no shipboard experience showing up at 0900 on the first Monday of an avail, planning to be there for total of four days. We're here to help! Maintenance person qualified? Of course not. Sentry? No weapons quals. You're not touching my network. Here's a PQS, see you at check out Thursday.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
In the Seabees the concentration of job knowledge is in the reserves due to them often doing construction on the outside, as oppossed to us not doing it while preparing half the year to play fake war, then the other planning projects before going out the door. Doesn't leave a lot of time for on rate training

maffew buildings fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Mar 5, 2018

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tacopie
Apr 29, 2009
I think I might be going crazy. I seem to remember that right after they changed they HYT gates for E4-6 right after that they changed the eligibility for retirement to 22 years. I can't find the NAVADMIN that states that and it looks like I can stay in until I hit 22 but am eligible to retire at 20. I would much rather retire on shore duty than have to juggle sea duty with getting ready to get out.

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