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Arzachel posted:You're going at it from the wrong direction. Close the "It's a currency, pinky swear" loophole and have securities regulations apply to crypto. There, it's dead.
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I'm itching for a new card pretty bad since my 970 is starting to lag behind newer games, but goddamn these prices. I'm just sitting on my hands waiting to try and buy from Nvidia directly whenever they get back in stock (so I think I'll be waiting a while)
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Vaah posted:I'm itching for a new card pretty bad since my 970 is starting to lag behind newer games, but goddamn these prices. I'm just sitting on my hands waiting to try and buy from Nvidia directly whenever they get back in stock (so I think I'll be waiting a while) You'll have to beat out no-bullshit bots that are programmed to check retailers and nVidia's page for Founder's Editions and purchase them far more quickly than any meatsack could. That's how insane the craziest miners are.
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Mar 4, 2018 22:55
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I'm so happy I got in on an open box Microcenter 1080 Classified for $530. Too bad I moved to Florida and don't have one nearby any more.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:You'll have to beat out no-bullshit bots that are programmed to check retailers and nVidia's page for Founder's Editions and purchase them far more quickly than any meatsack could. That's how insane the craziest miners are. Well here's waiting for the ampere cards and maybe a price drop. I'm iffy on risking a second-hand potentially burnt out card.
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I thought we decided that you couldn’t burn out anything but the fan, no? What do you think will happen to the card through being used?
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Mar 4, 2018 23:20
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When the crypto drops and people sell cards. How safe are the used cards going to be?
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Mar 4, 2018 23:25
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Vaah posted:Well here's waiting for the ampere cards and maybe a price drop. Awwww. :3 Bots are going to buy those too.
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Mar 4, 2018 23:33
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Grognan posted:When the crypto drops and people sell cards. How safe are the used cards going to be? Like in terms of communicable diseases?
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Subjunctive posted:Like in terms of communicable diseases? More like which ones won't blow up
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It's still doable to get cards, I posted a guide earlier. Yeah you basically need no life to do it, but it got me my MSI GTX 1070 Ti for $570 a couple weeks ago.Alpha Mayo posted:Also if you are trying to get a video card for around MSRP, I can offer some advice.
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Grognan posted:More like which ones won't blow up Buy Pascal from Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, or MSI. Don't buy AMD, don't buy 1080s with inadequate 1060/1070 fans (MSI Armor) because while you can liquid cool them the previous person didn't.
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Craptacular! posted:Buy Pascal from Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, or MSI. Don't buy AMD, don't buy 1080s with inadequate 1060/1070 fans (MSI Armor) because while you can liquid cool them the previous person didn't. What’s the thermal risk, exactly? I don’t understand what part of the system degrades because it ran a lot within its thermal design envelope.
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Mar 5, 2018 00:38
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This bubble isn't going to really pop for years, is it.
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Subjunctive posted:What’s the thermal risk, exactly? I don’t understand what part of the system degrades because it ran a lot within its thermal design envelope. Technical explanation: http://www.csl.mete.metu.edu.tr/Electromigration/emig.htm tl;dr: Two things cause breakdown of the silicon pathways, running the power high and running the temperature high. Guess what two things that miner who owned the card before you did.
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:This bubble isn't going to really pop for years, is it. This is only going to end if Ampere has some kind of heuristic to detect mining and cripple it.
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Rastor posted:Technical explanation: Sure, I understand that electromigration exists. I’m asking how much damage running it within its thermal parameters can actually do over a year or two, for the specific GPUs at issue. Are we talking about cards in the wild with evidence of damage, or is it theoretical? Do they make their data centre chips differently? Those are run at high load for extended periods too (ideally 24x7), but I haven’t heard about them wearing out after a few years.
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Kazinsal posted:This is only going to end if Ampere has some kind of heuristic to detect mining and cripple it.  if this somehow fucks over Vulkan
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:
Honestly? I'd take a theoretical performance hit on Vulkan to make GPUs actually available for retail purchase any day of the week.
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:
Why would it gently caress over Vulkan in particular?
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I don't understand this particular bit of speculation, what's the connection from vulkan to mining? Efb
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When mining, does the GPU always stay pegged at a constant temperature or does it cycle up and down? I'm wondering about heat cycles screwing with solder joints and realised I was *assuming* when mining they sit at a constant temperature. But for all I know it spikes up and down. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Mar 5, 2018 01:13
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:When mining, does the GPU always stay pegged at a constant temperature or does it cycle up and down? If you use an algorithm switcher the temp varies a bit since different algorithms put different loads on the GPU. If you're always just mining one thing though it would stay pretty constant.
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I think I'd take a miner card that had remained at a constant temperature within specs for most of its life, over one that's been thermally cycled a ton. Not sure if that's wise or not, and it's not like it's easily checked, but there have been tons of failures of cards over the years due to thermal cycling / solder issues. I don't think I'd ignore nvidia mining cards just based on electromigration. But they'd have to be cheap enough to still be decently cheaper even with replacement fan / cooler cost / or a block or whatever. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Mar 5, 2018 01:37
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BIG HEADLINE posted:You'll have to beat out no-bullshit bots that are programmed to check retailers and nVidia's page for Founder's Editions and purchase them far more quickly than any meatsack could. That's how insane the craziest miners are. I wonder how much you could make selling bot software that would make the purchase for you... just let the customers set how many purchases of whatever card they want, then fire and forget until it hits that number... 
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GRINDCORE MEGGIDO posted:I think I'd take a miner card that had remained at a constant temperature within specs for most of its life, over one that's been thermally cycled a ton. Not sure if that's wise or not, and it's not like it's easily checked, but there have been tons of failures of cards over the years due to thermal cycling / solder issues. Miner cards rarely stay at one temperature, the only time that would be true is if they didn't use an autoswitching algo (but almost everyone does, either Nicehash or Multipool Miner). Some algo's are very harsh on the GPU, harsher than Furmark.
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People sell bots for buying yeezy shoes and supreme branded clothing and they dont pay that much. I think they "rent" the bot so they pay no matter what. Those bots probably work because they arent already competing with thousands of bots trying the same thing.
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It takes all of 10 minutes to make a bot. Maybe an extra hour if you want to beat the captcha with keras or something.
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Kazinsal posted:Honestly? I'd take a theoretical performance hit on Vulkan to make GPUs actually available for retail purchase any day of the week. it'd be excellent if they herded the miners to 3000 dollar quadros as well Absurd Alhazred posted:Why would it gently caress over Vulkan in particular?
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Anime Schoolgirl posted:certain engines pretty much rely heavily on compute (id tech 6 namely) Compute isn't unique to Vulkan. Compute shaders have been core in OpenGL since 4.3 and are fully supported in Direct3D11.
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Subjunctive posted:Sure, I understand that electromigration exists. I’m asking how much damage running it within its thermal parameters can actually do over a year or two, for the specific GPUs at issue. Are we talking about cards in the wild with evidence of damage, or is it theoretical? No one knows the effect, but the 290s from the last surge were not as thermally resistant, didn't have the same safeguards, and were mostly just fine. I expect Pascal will be too. You might have a card that has 30% lower lifespan, but that is still probably 2-4x longer than you'd want to use it for gaming anyway. Personally I think the risk is pretty low overall but to each their own.
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thanks for the info just wondering because I have been building on a budget and my original plan of "wait till that new stuff is not as expensive" took a dive once people started buying for crypto
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Fauxtool posted:People sell bots for buying yeezy shoes and supreme branded clothing and they dont pay that much. I think they "rent" the bot so they pay no matter what. Those bots probably work because they arent already competing with thousands of bots trying the same thing. At least with Yeezys and sneakers in general, you can easily get 1:1 replicas for a decent price shipped straight from China. You can’t say the same with graphics cards
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I've been making the argument in the cryptothread that Pascal cards in particular, considering maximum length of time they can be used so far, are the safest mining cards to buy. Thermal cycling is at a minimum, Pascal bios simply does not allow temperatures to even approach cap and mosfet temperature ratings (which is critical). The only real "danger" is the fan life will be reduced, and fan tolerances vary quite a bit as the cost to make a seriously robust 24/7 fan is not in the scope of a video card. But other than that I would say swing away. We've already been through this exact scenario with much hotter and much less regulated cards, with tons of dangerous bios's being used on them (290s), and everybody loved those (at $200). Once the bubble pops get ready! Oh wait it already did Oh there are chronic vram issues that have nothing to do with buttcoins hmmmmmm  (dont get your hopes up)
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Rabid Snake posted:At least with Yeezys and sneakers in general, you can easily get 1:1 replicas for a decent price shipped straight from China. You can’t say the same with graphics cards Yeston is an official nVidia AIB partner.
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Rastor posted:Technical explanation: Probably not the two things that ruin efficiency.
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Cheapest 1060 3 GB on Newegg is $340... man, production just has to be tapering off, there can't be any significant volume being sold at that price 
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1gnoirents posted:Those fell off the map for mining too I assume mining has fallen off the map in general... Without another big runup in Bitcoin prices, any hardware that's selling at current prices isn't paying itself back. WhatToMine says a 570 is bringing in $1.37 a day after electricity, and a 570 is still running around $400, so that's a 300-day ROI with difficulty continuing to spike like crazy. The 1060 3 GB works out at a 300-day ROI too. Vega pulls in $2.15 a day on a $900 card for a 14 month ROI. And difficulty is going nowhere but up. I have a hard time believing miners are racing out and buying hardware at those prices... maybe not selling but not buying either. Maybe I have too much faith in humanity though. (although if you can sell at current prices, it's probably not stupid to do so... and if you think Bitcoin will jump, you can always buy the coins directly.) Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Mar 6, 2018 |
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