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Would M5S at least block Lega's mass deportation idea? I'm assuming not, in which case we could be on the cusp of a humanitarian disaster on top of the current humanitarian disaster.
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Tesseraction posted:Would M5S at least block Lega's mass deportation idea? I'm assuming not, in which case we could be on the cusp of a humanitarian disaster on top of the current humanitarian disaster. M5S is extremely pro-loving the immigrants so no
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This long piece on how fascism in Italy never went away but was given a new coat of paint and approval in the last few years is well worth reading.
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Kurtofan posted:M5S is extremely pro-loving the immigrants so no Yep. That's what I thought. Asked the Italian acquaintance and he's over the moon that anti-EU parties won, although he's sad that Lega aren't outright-majority. He hopes that a coalition of M5S and Lega will mean the honesty of M5S and the competence (hah) of Lega will combine to make a wonderful government. He said he's never been more proud to be Italian.
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To be fair, if I was Italian I'd probably be highly anti-EU by now as well. Still wouldn't vote for M5S or Lega Fascisti though.
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Tesseraction posted:Yep. That's what I thought. Tell him an Italian lady from the internet told him to go gently caress himself.
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Mikl posted:Tell him an Italian lady from the internet told him to go gently caress himself. Will do. I won't report back his response
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Squalid posted:aren’t 5 star and lega just in it for the self aggrandizement and grift? Seem like the sort who’d rather sit on the sidelines and rail at the establishment rather than risk actually governing. Just think of how much you can grift if you have control of the state.
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Looks like your country is somewhat hosed up, Italy. But I guess 40% youth unemployment and 20 years of GDP stagnation can do that. Good luck anyway!
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Does the EU as an organisation actually have anything to say about how so many of its member states are coming to hate it and Britain may not be the only one to try to exit? I've mentioned before that the Remain campaign basically didn't exist.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Does the EU as an organisation actually have anything to say about how so many of its member states are coming to hate it and Britain may not be the only one to try to exit? I've mentioned before that the Remain campaign basically didn't exist. Doubling down on 'those damned populists  ' mainly.
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The Remain campaign literally only had two potential messages: 1) everything is wonderful, why would you ruin that? 2) dear GOD everything is AWFUL, why make it worse??
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Inescapable Duck posted:Does the EU as an organisation actually have anything to say about how so many of its member states are coming to hate it and Britain may not be the only one to try to exit? I've mentioned before that the Remain campaign basically didn't exist.
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Inescapable Duck posted:Does the EU as an organisation actually have anything to say about how so many of its member states are coming to hate it and Britain may not be the only one to try to exit? I've mentioned before that the Remain campaign basically didn't exist. The Dutch Labour Party is a perfect example: They are convinced they have implemented great policy and are big responsible boys because they made the hard but necessary choices. Their electoral collapse is just because people don't quite understand how good their policy has been, but surely a bit more explaining will fix everything. They also don't have any concrete plans to further or better explain their positions and policies. They do strongly condemn any accusation of elitism, however.
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Orange Devil posted:The Dutch Labour Party is a perfect example: Also, literally all of them look like this:  Just doing one thing in all their years in power to reverse neolib policies, like renationalizing the railways, would have made them seem way more sympathetic, but they simply don't give a gently caress about people. Shibawanko fucked around with this message at 13:07 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Orange Devil posted:The Dutch Labour Party is a perfect example: Somewhat surprisingly, recent large-scale research among Dutch voters shows that former PvdA voters at the time of the 2017 elections were not especially unhappy (link in Dutch) with the policy of the PvdA/VVD government, and the electorate as a whole was not especially dissatisfied with the government either. A large part of the loss is attributed to the PvdA's relative overperformance in 2012, the tendency of the junior partner in any coalition to lose votes, and the lack of a popular party leader. So the PvdA did not recapture any of the voters they lost during their period in government, made worse by the government's failure to bring down unemployment fast enough, which especially hurt the PvdA. I'm not sure I agree with this analysis, but it's not as nobody within the PvdA wants to change. Dijsselbloem is basically history now (thank God), and the new party chairperson calls Jeremy Corbyn an idol. It it is probably too little too late though.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:I'm not sure I agree with this analysis, but it's not as nobody within the PvdA wants to change. Dijsselbloem is basically history now (thank God), and the new party chairperson calls Jeremy Corbyn an idol. It it is probably too little too late though. Corbyn will be Prime Minister of the UK and the Nederlands at once. 
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Tesseraction posted:Corbyn will be Prime Minister of the UK and the Nederlands at once. Wouldn't be the first time the two have shared a ruler
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I'm ok if Jeremy Corbyn rules all of Europe, please
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Tesseraction posted:Corbyn will be Prime Minister of the UK and the Nederlands at once. The current composition of our Parliament is as rightwing as it has been in ages, and the Dutch welfare state hasn't yet been broken down to the point that Corbynism could become attractive to Dutch voters. Manic_Misanthrope posted:Wouldn't be the first time the two have shared a ruler And yet William III tends to be completely ignored in Dutch history, never mind that without him we might not even have survived as an independent country. And if raiding the Medway and capturing the flagship of the English Navy was an accomplishment worthy of being remembered, then sailing over an army of 20,000 men in a fleet four times the size of the Spanish Armada and pulling off the only successful invasion of England since 1066 certainly is. Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 14:21 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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Pluskut Tukker posted:The current composition of our Parliament is as rightwing as it has been in ages, but the Dutch welfare state hasn't yet been broken down to the point that Corbynism could become attractive to Dutch voters. The Absolute Boy cares not for political calculus. He stared the truck right in the headlights last year and... well he didn't stop the truck but it kinda veered into a field of wheat and crushed a few toffs, so that was nice.
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Kurtofan posted:I'm ok if
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It's funny how at least one American poster assumed Corbyn's popularity must be solely based on once-in-a-lifetime Obama charisma and not actual policy.
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:Wouldn't be the first time the two have shared a ruler Truly this revolution would be glorious. I'm sure we can find a way to gently caress over Ireland also.
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https://twitter.com/wheatretard/status/970436583651504132
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And I thought the Italian reputation for being utterly incapable of any kind of effective organisation or planning was overblown. But combine that with modern politics...
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Corbyn crowned emperor of all Europe with no democratic controls would probably be better than any of the realistic alternatives we have now
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t. American who saw john oliver one night Lmao real hard hitting commentary right here boys
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Should Lega and m5s make a coalition I think they will find common ground in sinking some browns in the mediterranean.
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you don't need to be a fan of hubris in this world, but it helps https://twitter.com/ronanburtenshaw/status/970634809109336064
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Shibawanko posted:Corbyn crowned emperor of all Europe with no democratic controls would probably be better than any of the realistic alternatives we have now
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My favourite thing about those two pictures is they both make him look goofy as hell, especially in that second picture where he looks like he just tried to fart but poo poo his pants.
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https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/970688569353424902 M5S vote share matching up very closely with regional income, as well as with the North/South divide. For all the talk about how euro membership has hurt Italy (and it has), it's not clear that Italy should itself have a single currency if you look at it from an economic point of view.
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Pluskut Tukker posted:https://twitter.com/alexandreafonso/status/970688569353424902
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, I know it's extremely illegal to say this, but monetary policy isn't the only tool governments have to deal with the economy. Yes. It. Is. Otherwise you might suggest that taxation according to income and wealth might be the table, and according to my Milton Friedman Economic Model (TM) that is always wrong.
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Italy does a fair amount of redistribution; it just does so rather poorly:quote:According to the Istat microsimulation model FaMiMod, in 2016 public policies reduced inequality by 15.1 the real reform prescription: kill you're (grand)parents Pluskut Tukker fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Well, I know it's extremely illegal to say this, but monetary policy isn't the only tool governments have to deal with the economy. Hasn’t Italy been trying to fix the north-south divide with non-monetary policies for literally 150 years now?
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icantfindaname posted:Hasn’t Italy been trying to fix the north-south divide with non-monetary policies for literally 150 years now?
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Renzi's resignation 2.0: this time it's For Real. https://twitter.com/repubblica/status/970712473086119936 I Love Annie May fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Mar 5, 2018 |
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