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AlphaDog posted:Are you suggesting that Beastmaster is not the weakest class? Or that Beastmaster gets abilities beyond "being able to spend 8 hours to auto-pass the Animal Handle checks to befriend and teach tricks to a CR 1/4 critter"? The latter.
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Mar 7, 2018 09:25
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MonsterEnvy posted:The latter. Oh, really? Let's see... Lvl 7: Exceptional Training Hilariously irrelevant, because it highlight how the Ranger's Companion is actually worse than a befriended animal, because an animal can act on their own while the Companion needs the Ranger to spend their actions to do anything. Lvl 11: Bestial Fury Also irrelevant, because - specially at this level - the Ranger attacking is much better than ordering the RC to attack. Lvl 15: Share Spells Congratulations! This one, the capstone of the archetype, a level rarely reached, highlights yet another baffling imbalance. Did you know that another class gets an ability like this? It's true! They get an animal companion, with this ability, at level 5. And you know what it costs them? Is it taking an archetype that provides no other usable abilities? No, of course not! All it takes them is to prepare a spell called Find Steed.
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Mar 7, 2018 09:38
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MonsterEnvy posted:The latter. Now, I don't dislike 5e to quite the extent that some folks in here do but... you're really gonna need to explain this one beyond "no, you're wrong."
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Mar 7, 2018 09:55
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It's a pretty egregious case of an entire archetype of a weaker class being no better than a single spell from a better class.
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Mar 7, 2018 09:57
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Conspiratiorist posted:Oh, really? Let's see... This one is not true cause the Ranger and the Beast can both attack at this point. (And two attacks from the beast with the bonus's given from the ranger should be better then one regular attack from the ranger.) Also I am not denying the class is weak. Just that the subclass does more then "being able to spend 8 hours to auto-pass the Animal Handle checks to befriend and teach tricks to a CR 1/4 critter"?
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Mar 7, 2018 09:59
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Dragonatrix posted:Now, I don't dislike 5e to quite the extent that some folks in here do but... you're really gonna need to explain this one beyond "no, you're wrong." Cause it does do more then then what the guy said. Not much more, but it does do more.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:00
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MonsterEnvy posted:This one is not true cause the Ranger and the Beast can both attack at this point. (And two attacks from the beast with the bonus's given from the ranger should be better then one regular attack from the ranger.) This is level 11. Two of the wolf's non-magical attacks are most definitely not better than the Ranger attacking, whether they're applying PAM, CBE, TWF, or just Hunter's Mark. Conspiratiorist fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Mar 7, 2018 10:06
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I think the point is that there are other -things- it can do. Not that those things are very good. By comparison the Revised Ranger, and Revised Beastmaster, is pretty nice.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:23
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Arthil posted:I think the point is that there are other -things- it can do. Not that those things are very good. Yeah that was pretty much all I was saying. And I agree there.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:27
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Also the D&D beyond App beta has launched. And nicely unlike the site it does not require online to use the books. Still not the best deal if you already own the books, but this is helpful. https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog/163-the-ddb-mobile-app-beta-has-launched
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Mar 7, 2018 10:41
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Hey guys my skeleton wizardman is probably gonna die alongside some other player characters because our GM (being upfront beforehand) let us know a superdeadly encounter was being thrown at us. What should I play next? Other characters in the party, who may also die and so should not be duplicated: Winged drow-tiefling cleric-warlock Homebrew-mindflayer lore bard Human vengeance paladin Elf storm sorcerer Godawful homebrew mess I won't even try to describe, but vaguely monklike Yeah it's a bigass party this campaign is a mess. Special caveat: Homebrew tentatively allowed when run past the GM  Currently considering: Ancestor Spirit Barbarian. Also I'm already a hexblade in a separate campaign where I'm in no danger of dying.
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Mar 7, 2018 11:46
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MonsterEnvy posted:This one is not true cause the Ranger and the Beast can both attack at this point. (And two attacks from the beast with the bonus's given from the ranger should be better then one regular attack from the ranger.) Splicer fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Mar 7, 2018 11:47
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In any case that article is still terrible since it first claims that people just think BM is bad because they're apparently too dumb to understand the rules text, but then admits that it takes a good deal of system mastery/optimization to make BM not suck, ignoring that if you apply that that same level of optimization to literally anything else it would still be far better than BM.
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Mar 7, 2018 11:57
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This seems like an appropriate time to ask this. I'm currently playing a level 4 Beastmaster Ranger and it doesn't look like there's much good stuff coming up, so I'm thinking of hitting level 5 in Ranger to get the 2nd attack and then multiclass to Fighter (probably Battlemaster). Terrible idea? Are there any other options I should look at? It's either that or I get myself killed, I guess 
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Mar 7, 2018 12:21
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the onion wizard posted:This seems like an appropriate time to ask this. E: if you're in adventurer's league just respec into another class.
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Mar 7, 2018 12:28
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You're in a rough spot. It'll technically be an improvement, since an extra Fighting Style, Action Surge, and whatever archetype abilities you get will be better than sticking with Ranger... but you are hampered by having taken Ranger in the first place. Rebuild if you can.
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Mar 7, 2018 12:34
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Splicer posted:E: if you're in adventurer's league just respec into another class. .
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Mar 7, 2018 12:40
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Toplowtech posted:Can I suggest a better "forest man with companion animal" class at level 4 if you respec? Human variant Forest Themed Rogue with the magic initiate feat(find familiar: owl for your animal companion that can't fight) and the survival extra skill to be good in a forest (if you do not take the wanderer background). You will still use a range weapon (okay a crossbow) but do more damage and you still have a (now non fighting) companion animal and you will have more skills and probably more magic if you go arcane trickster.
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Mar 7, 2018 13:00
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Splicer posted:UA BM Ranger is good. It's not bard level but it's well serviceable and I've had a blast with it. Print it out https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/UA_RevisedRanger.pdf hand it to your GM and ask to convert. Not Adventurer's League. I'll ask my DM about respeccing to the revised Ranger. quote:Keeping Track of Proficiency Is that how it's supposed to work with the regular Beastmaster? The PHB doesn't really say anything like that.
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Mar 7, 2018 13:25
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https://twitter.com/paizo/status/971145934036856833 Really looking forward to seeing how similar to 5e this ends up being.
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Mar 7, 2018 13:44
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Splicer posted:At level 4 they could also just go straight arcane trickster using their free choice spell for find familiar. Opens up more races or gives a free feat to play with for variant human.
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Mar 7, 2018 13:46
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the onion wizard posted:Not Adventurer's League. I'll ask my DM about respeccing to the revised Ranger. Also lol I forgot to factor in the prof bonus in my damage calculations earlier. Still bad though. Splicer fucked around with this message at 14:00 on Mar 7, 2018 |
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Mar 7, 2018 13:55
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Splicer posted:It's much more poorly worded but yes. Note that prof is already calculated for your beasts attack, so you don't get to add 2 on top of the listed value, but it goes up as yours does. You do get to add it straigh on to AC, damage, etc because they don't get it normally. Sorry I should have worded my question better. The PHB doesn't really indicate that the beast has an implied proficiency bonus already, but now that you point it out it would only matter for attacks and proficient skills (I think). I've been playing with the Giant Poisonous Snake having +8 to hit (+6 from the MM and +2 from my proficiency bonus). I think the MPMB character sheet I used makes the same mistake too actually.
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Mar 7, 2018 14:12
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the onion wizard posted:Sorry I should have worded my question better. The PHB doesn't really indicate that the beast has an implied proficiency bonus already, but now that you point it out it would only matter for attacks and proficient skills (I think). I've been playing with the Giant Poisonous Snake having +8 to hit (+6 from the MM and +2 from my proficiency bonus).
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Mar 7, 2018 14:36
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Zerilan posted:It's a pretty egregious case of an entire archetype of a weaker class being no better than a single spell from a better class. To clarify this point. My Ancient Halfling Pally just hit 5 and took Find Steed. Now I have a golden fey badger that carries me into battle and can telepathically alert me if a bunch of assholes are about to attack the tavern I'm drinking in. The next day I prepped another spell. Paladins can beat Beastmasters at getting pets and then immediately retake an armor buff or something.
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Since we're talking about the Ranger right now, what are your thoughts on the Monster Slayer archetype from Xanathar's Guide?
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King of Solomon posted:Since we're talking about the Ranger right now, what are your thoughts on the Monster Slayer archetype from Xanathar's Guide? It's pretty good at its job, free counterspelling is never bad, finding weaknesses and so on is good, bonus damage. But it's a bit niche compared to the other two xanathars classes since it's bonus spells aren't as broadly useful, and the high level abilities aren't going to do much against many encounters. Still probably on par with Hunter from the phb at the worst, maybe a bit stronger overall.
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King of Solomon posted:Since we're talking about the Ranger right now, what are your thoughts on the Monster Slayer archetype from Xanathar's Guide? Some of their things are nice, and they're clearly designed with taking on bosses in mind. Which is kind of their flaw sadly. If you're ever fighting something other than just one big enemy, their abilities are a bit meh. Also you'd think Slayer's Prey would scale with levels, but no it's d6 extra damage at Level 3, and all the way to 20. EDIT: Oh I misread Slayer's Prey, it's better than I thought it was. Never mind
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Mar 7, 2018 16:55
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Kaysette posted:https://twitter.com/paizo/status/971145934036856833 I'm guessing not very. Stafinder is probably going to be more indicative of the direction they'll be going with Pathfinder 2e.
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Mar 7, 2018 17:55
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Is Starfinder good good or Pathfinder good?
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Mar 7, 2018 18:04
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Razorwired posted:Is Starfinder good good or Pathfinder good?
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Mar 7, 2018 18:09
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Starfinder seems real cool conceptually and flavor wise but I've got nothing on the mechanics.
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Mar 7, 2018 18:26
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mango sentinel posted:Starfinder seems real cool conceptually and flavor wise but I've got nothing on the mechanics.
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Mar 7, 2018 18:34
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It feels like a convoluted version of Pathfinder. The starship combat isn't amazing or anything, and has a lot of the same problems as just about every sci fi RPG ever in that regard. I love the setting, though. There's some really interesting world-building things there, imo. I just wish the game system were better.
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Starfinder streamlines Pathfinder in some ways, such as making flat-footed AC just -2, rather than factoring in the various AC elements differently. It doesn't even come close to the streamlining of 5e, and adds some pointless complexity in other ares. Starship combat is cute but gets boring quickly, the weapons aren't balanced well, and skill checks get harder as you level up because they increase at double the rate at which you level up. Weapons are now a laundry list of same-y weapons. There's some cool stuff in there, but it's buried under junk mechanics, and doesn't have the benefit of the breadth of content that Pathfinder has.
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Mar 7, 2018 18:45
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mango sentinel posted:Starfinder seems real cool conceptually and flavor wise but I've got nothing on the mechanics. What do you like about the concepts and flavour? They didn't land with me, but I might have been missing an angle.
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Mar 7, 2018 19:19
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$30 for a playtest book, seems legit.
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The Gate posted:$30 for a playtest book, seems legit. And believe you me, people loooooove giving Paizo money.
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Taking a page out of Steam's early access... hell yeah I will pay you to play test your product for you. At least you get the full product when it is out of EA on Steam this seems super lame (haha I kid... poo poo leaves EA maybe 1 in 1000).
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