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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Endless Mike posted:

"Oh cool another Superman origin story! Just what I've always wanted!" said no one ever
Superman was entirely happy to remain working on his parent's farm as Clark Kent until the day that Kahndaq terrorists bombed the Daily Planet towers.

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SiKboy
Oct 28, 2007

Oh no!😱

You know how the big two have always had characters that went all in on "things we hear the kids like" like skateboarding, disco and so on? Have they more or less stopped that or are there some minor characters out there with... I dunno, like instagram filter powers or the ability to throw fidget spinners?

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Goldballs shoots gold balls, a thing the kids like.

Unmature
May 9, 2008

SiKboy posted:

You know how the big two have always had characters that went all in on "things we hear the kids like" like skateboarding, disco and so on? Have they more or less stopped that or are there some minor characters out there with... I dunno, like instagram filter powers or the ability to throw fidget spinners?

Memes

hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006
I did read a Marvel comic recently where the characters said variations of ‘you got this’ a half dozen times in the same issue though.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Kamala has the power of writing lots of fanfic

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

A lot of the recent comedy books are some heavy "hello, fellow kids" stuff.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
Y'all a bunch of chickensluts for forgetting EMOTICON from Gail Simone's Welcome to Tranquility



though jeez, that was a decade ago.

More recently you've had self-proclaimed Social Justice Warriors and Alt-Right people and Too Big to Fail Diplomatic Immunity corporate supervillains in Captain America: Sam Wilson though I guess that's more Ripped from the Headlines than trying to appeal to kids.

We've kind of reached the point right now that superheroes themselves are the hip signifier that *other* IPs are trying to glom onto to appeal to the youth demographic. When NYC tourism and Dole are using superheroes to promote healthy eating and art appreciation, you don't really need to try to make kids care about superheroes in a way you might have 20-40 years ago.

Unmature
May 9, 2008
Now he'd be Emoji

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Didn't Gwenpool take jobs on not-craigslist? I guess that kinda counts.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
Ant man had that linkedin app for supervillains

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Does Squirrel Girl's Twitter count?

Unmature
May 9, 2008
Hellcat is all about how millennials can't get jobs

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Selachian posted:

Does Squirrel Girl's Twitter count?

That's a weird fan.

Teenage Fansub
Jan 28, 2006

IRL @unbeatablesg is official PR

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Lurdiak posted:

That's a weird fan.

He might be talking about every issue opens up with her in universe twitter feed.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Lurdiak posted:

That's a weird fan.
What an odd way to describe Ryan North.

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch

Teenage Fansub posted:

irl @unbeatablesg is official PR

Excuse me that's really Doreen :colbert:

Sinners Sandwich
Jan 4, 2012

Give me your friend's BURGERS and SANDWICHES, I'll put out the fire.

Captain Marvel had superhero tinder which everyone had an account on but her

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Sinners Sandwich posted:

Captain Marvel had superhero tinder which everyone had an account on but her

Oh god , the NYC one would be like actual tinder in the Olympic village.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
Green Lanterns has been running its most recent arc about Superhero Tinder, which totally exists except it turns out it's a nefarious trap to get the personal information of superheroes so a galactic super-slavery ring can kidnap them.

And Jessica's been spending the whole time on it even after she knows this, just swiping through heroes. (It's called Caper, which is pretty clever.)

CapnAndy fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 9, 2018

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
I think there's a thin line between like "acknowledging a comic is taking place in the year it is being published" and "pandering to Kids These Days", something like a character in 2018 having Twitter or playing MMOs or whatever doesn't really strike me as pandering the way that I dunno, having a character build a giant deadly Space Invaders machine to trap the Thing in in 1981 where like the writer feels the need to explain what Pac-Man is and how much money kids spend in these "Arcades" in order to set up the issue's main plot. Characters started having the Internet and cellular phones in the 1990s without it being some sort of massive attention-grabbing thing. Even something like Captain America having a string of BBS kids looking out for cases for him to tackle in the late 1980s seemed like less pandering in the style of Hypno Hustler and more taking things that exist in the world and trying to fold them into the fictional world. Most of the examples people are giving of off-brand Twitter/Tinder/Craigslist seem closer to that, especially when they're just a plot device and not the main plot? That stupid Hench App thing in Ant-Man seems closer to the pandering, though I am sure this just makes me look like a Nick Spencer Hater again.

Does anyone remember the Life Model Decoy Revenge Porn plot from Captain America that led to Lady Stilt-Man trying to commit suicide over online slut shaming? That feels like a good example of this.

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Twitter's average user is a whole lot closer to Ryan North than teenagers at this point.

Sinners Sandwich
Jan 4, 2012

Give me your friend's BURGERS and SANDWICHES, I'll put out the fire.

CapnAndy posted:

Green Lanterns has been running its most recent arc about Superhero Tinder, which totally exists except it turns out it's a nefarious trap to get the personal information of superheroes so a galactic super-slavery ring can kidnap them.

And Jessica's been spending the whole time on it even after she knows this, just swiping through heroes. (It's called Caper, which is pretty clever.)

Marvel's was called Cloak and Dater :3:

Edge & Christian posted:

Does anyone remember the Life Model Decoy Revenge Porn plot from Captain America that led to Lady Stilt-Man trying to commit suicide over online slut shaming? That feels like a good example of this.

:barf:

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib
There was Final Crisis: Dance which featured a bunch of Japanese Superheroes really trying to tap in to the whole social media vibe.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Edge & Christian posted:

I think there's a thin line between like "acknowledging a comic is taking place in the year it is being published" and "pandering to Kids These Days", something like a character in 2018 having Twitter or playing MMOs or whatever doesn't really strike me as pandering the way that I dunno, having a character build a giant deadly Space Invaders machine to trap the Thing in in 1981 where like the writer feels the need to explain what Pac-Man is and how much money kids spend in these "Arcades" in order to set up the issue's main plot. Characters started having the Internet and cellular phones in the 1990s without it being some sort of massive attention-grabbing thing. Even something like Captain America having a string of BBS kids looking out for cases for him to tackle in the late 1980s seemed like less pandering in the style of Hypno Hustler and more taking things that exist in the world and trying to fold them into the fictional world. Most of the examples people are giving of off-brand Twitter/Tinder/Craigslist seem closer to that, especially when they're just a plot device and not the main plot? That stupid Hench App thing in Ant-Man seems closer to the pandering, though I am sure this just makes me look like a Nick Spencer Hater again.

Does anyone remember the Life Model Decoy Revenge Porn plot from Captain America that led to Lady Stilt-Man trying to commit suicide over online slut shaming? That feels like a good example of this.

Possibly part of the reason you don't see so many characters/stories built around the Cool Thing Kids These Days Are All Into is that comics now aren't written for Kids These Days.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Madkal posted:

There was Final Crisis: Dance which featured a bunch of Japanese Superheroes really trying to tap in to the whole social media vibe.
You know, considering that I know all these nerds watch anime, why do they keep making such hellacious Japanese characters for the Japan team or whatever? Like New Super-Man kind of dodged this, but I suppose they actually have to treat China as an equal, while Japan doesn't give much of a potential poo poo over Lolita Canary and Honey Lemon.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Nessus posted:

You know, considering that I know all these nerds watch anime, why do they keep making such hellacious Japanese characters for the Japan team or whatever? Like New Super-Man kind of dodged this, but I suppose they actually have to treat China as an equal, while Japan doesn't give much of a potential poo poo over Lolita Canary and Honey Lemon.

What, you don't think Katana, wielding her ancestral sword that eats people's souls, or Armor, whose mutation is an exoskeleton powered by the souls of her ancestors, are culturally appropriate representations of Japan?

There's Sunfire, whose powers have nothing to do with ancestors or souls. He's got radiation fire powers (also his mom died of radiation poisoning because she was present at the bombing of Hiroshima).

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

Nessus posted:

You know, considering that I know all these nerds watch anime, why do they keep making such hellacious Japanese characters for the Japan team or whatever?
If you are disparaging the Super Young Team I can offer nothing but my condolences for your bad opinions.

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Skwirl posted:

There's Sunfire, whose powers have nothing to do with ancestors or souls. He's got radiation fire powers (also his mom died of radiation poisoning because she was present at the bombing of Hiroshima).

He's one of those "children of the atom".

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Nessus posted:

You know, considering that I know all these nerds watch anime, why do they keep making such hellacious Japanese characters for the Japan team or whatever? Like New Super-Man kind of dodged this, but I suppose they actually have to treat China as an equal, while Japan doesn't give much of a potential poo poo over Lolita Canary and Honey Lemon.
More than any global politics, It might have something to do with the fact that Gene Yang is actually Chinese-American and Billy Tan (who is one of the two main artists on the book) grew up in Malaysia where your Chris Claremonts and the like... aren't.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Skwirl posted:

What, you don't think Katana, wielding her ancestral sword that eats people's souls, or Armor, whose mutation is an exoskeleton powered by the souls of her ancestors, are culturally appropriate representations of Japan?

There's Sunfire, whose powers have nothing to do with ancestors or souls. He's got radiation fire powers (also his mom died of radiation poisoning because she was present at the bombing of Hiroshima).

And DC's Global Guardians, who are a perfect collection of country stereotypes, have Rising Sun, whose powers are guess what.

Wasn't Honey Lemon non-Japanese, though? Or was that just the movie?

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Selachian posted:

And DC's Global Guardians, who are a perfect collection of country stereotypes, have Rising Sun, whose powers are guess what.

Wasn't Honey Lemon non-Japanese, though? Or was that just the movie?

Just the movie.

Here's the start of her wiki blurb: "Aiko Miyazaki was enrolled in the graduate program at the Tokyo University of Science when she was recruited by Naikaku Jōhō Chōsashitsu (Naichō), Japan's premiere intelligence agency. Miyazaki's sharp intellect and stunning looks made her a prime candidate for secret agent status"

The movie BH6 is basically nothing at all to do with the comic except some names.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

ImpAtom posted:

The movie BH6 is basically nothing at all to do with the comic except some names.
And not even most names, because as I understand it, most of them are the equivalent of an American character being named Smith Joeeagle or something; they sound correct if you can't speak the language at all, but even a cursory knowledge is enough to know that they're nonsense and nobody would ever be named that.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Edge & Christian posted:

More than any global politics, It might have something to do with the fact that Gene Yang is actually Chinese-American and Billy Tan (who is one of the two main artists on the book) grew up in Malaysia where your Chris Claremonts and the like... aren't.

Marvel should hire more diverse writers like Akira Yoshida, hopefully the new EiC can do something about that.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Selachian posted:

Wasn't Honey Lemon non-Japanese, though? Or was that just the movie?
It's been forever since I read the (first) book and I haven't seen the movie, but from everything I've heard they took a ton of liberties in adapting a nearly-forgotten D-List team into the movie. A cursory googling shows that the character of Honey Lemon looked pretty similar (art style and costume aside) in the comics, but was named in the first series as "Aiko Miyazaki" despite being drawn and colored as a white blonde girl.

There's also the fact that Steve Seagle and Duncan Rouleau created the characters to appear in Alpha Flight (as the "Japanese Alpha Flight" as a nod to Alpha Flight debuting as "the Canadian X-Men" in X-Men) and then through the brilliance that was Marvelcution era Marvel, had the characters scooped out and put in a Scott Lobdell written mini-series before the creators got around to introducing them, with apparently very little input beyond the concept art passed from Seagle/Rouleau over to Lobdell. So Lobdell wrote their first story arc, then Seagle/Rouleau used them in Alpha Flight (tweaked to line up with Lobdell's mini-series), then Alpha Flight got canceled three issues later.

Five years in 2004 Scott Lobdell was writing a new volume of Alpha Flight and had a revamped version of Big Hero Six show up for a couple of issues right before that Alpha Flight series got canceled.

Then in 2008, Chris Claremont wrote a Big Hero Six mini-series for no clear reason and revamps the line-up as well, introducing the worst (to my untrained western not-reading-the-book) of these characters, Wasabi-No-Ginger.

Then they showed up in a back-up story to a dumb Dan Slott Amazing Spider-Man arc.

That's the entire published comic book history of Big Hero 6 for some reason, despite being a pretty successful movie.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

The big question here is how Scott Lobdell keeps getting work

ecavalli
Nov 18, 2012


Edge & Christian posted:

It's been forever since I read the (first) book and I haven't seen the movie, but from everything I've heard they took a ton of liberties in adapting a nearly-forgotten D-List team into the movie.

This is a massive understatement. Outside of the name, the movie has almost nothing to do with the comics.

Roth
Jul 9, 2016

What are some really good Ra's Al Ghul stories?

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Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Roth posted:

What are some really good Ra's Al Ghul stories?

His appearances on Batman the Animated Series are better than any of his comic appearances.

And make sure you watch the Batman Beyond episode for the greatest Bruce Wayne moment in history.

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