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Maybe I've spent too long in CSPAM and talking with other Democrats in real life but I can't see this not being an extreme blow to Kamala's chances of winning the nomination All you have to do is bring up the literally hundreds of videos of ICE kidnapping people in broad daylight within the past year
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SKULL.GIF posted:Maybe I've spent too long in CSPAM and talking with other Democrats in real life but I can't see this not being an extreme blow to Kamala's chances of winning the nomination hillary wrote about owning slaves in a bestselling book
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Ruzihm posted:hillary wrote about owning slaves in a bestselling book And literally no one noticed for something like two decades.
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yeah man, Hillary has said some wretched stuff in the past and it gets glazed over with loud Yasssssss Qweeeeens.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Maybe I've spent too long in CSPAM and talking with other Democrats in real life but I can't see this not being an extreme blow to Kamala's chances of winning the nomination She's a literal AstroTurf, no one talked about her pre 11/9
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SKULL.GIF posted:Maybe I've spent too long in CSPAM and talking with other Democrats in real life but I can't see this not being an extreme blow to Kamala's chances of winning the nomination https://pagesix.com/2017/07/15/kama...8419.1500251117 quote:The Democrats’ “Great Freshman Hope,” Sen. Kamala Harris, is heading to the Hamptons to meet with Hillary Clinton’s biggest backers. She's already been pre-approved by the donors, she's loving winning the nomination.
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Ruzihm posted:hillary wrote about owning slaves in a bestselling book which became a major media story long after she lost the general election, and people already despise prisoners. same with the "superpredators" thing, that was about something from loving 20 years ago that most people approved of at the time and you still see lukewarm support for ending the drug war (mostly on the basis of "we want legal weed" and not so much on the basis of "the drug war is an intensely racist program that destroys lives") this isn't the same thing, kamala is actively defending something that's happening right now that people are super mad about
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WampaLord posted:She's already been pre-approved by the donors, she's loving winning the nomination. not in a three-way between booker and gillibrand I don't think so, especially not after defending ICE and touting her credentials as a prosecutor these three camps are already more or less balanced (right now) and now the people who are mad about ICE/immigration are going to run away from kamala's camp
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Mar 9, 2018 19:43
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SKULL.GIF posted:not in a three-way between booker and gillibrand I don't think so, especially not after defending ICE and touting her credentials as a prosecutor oh you sweet summer child
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WampaLord posted:oh you sweet summer child 
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Isn't the ICE thing relatively overblown? Wasn't Obama substantially worse than Trump in that regard?
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I'm just saying, remember this moment 2 years or so from now when she's accepting the nomination thanks to the superdelegates.
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SKULL.GIF posted:which became a major media story long after she lost the general election, and people already despise prisoners. same with the "superpredators" thing, that was about something from loving 20 years ago that most people approved of at the time and you still see lukewarm support for ending the drug war (mostly on the basis of "we want legal weed" and not so much on the basis of "the drug war is an intensely racist program that destroys lives") nobody with any institutional power (which is necessary for domestic media coverage) will want to bring it up because doing so would threaten their position as well. same reason nobody with institutional power seemed to care about hillary owning slaves or calling children superpredators even after it was dug back up.
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WampaLord posted:I'm just saying, remember this moment 2 years or so from now when she's accepting the nomination thanks to the superdelegates. She's going nowhere op
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I don't think the party elders have learned enough of their lesson that they're gonna stop coronating nominees, but I do think they've learned enough of their lesson that they're going to take into account whether their coronated nominee is electable when they make their decision. My money's on Gillibrand.
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Lawman 0 posted:It's gonna be Booker vs gilibrand 
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loquacius posted:I don't think the party elders have learned enough of their lesson that they're gonna stop coronating nominees, but I do think they've learned enough of their lesson that they're going to take into account whether their coronated nominee is electable when they make their decision. My money's on Gillibrand. I don't think they've learned anything at all
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I really hope that Bernie or Liz or Keith or someone of their ilk can mount a successful outsider challenge this time, but I'm feeling pessimistic and cynical today so
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LGD posted:I don't think they've learned anything at all bingo
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punk rebel ecks posted:Isn't the ICE thing relatively overblown? Wasn't Obama substantially worse than Trump in that regard? iirc obama had ICE basically game deportation stats by counting everyone caught at or near the border as a deportation (and he definitely had some garbage policies wrt childhood arrivals that hillary gleefully defended in one of the primary debates) but we definitely didn't have gestapo rolling into diners and kidnapping parents on their way to drop their kids at school its similar to civilian drone bombings where it was definitely bad under obama and he was a piece of poo poo for letting it continue but it's gotten way worse now
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loquacius posted:I don't think the party elders have learned enough of their lesson that they're gonna stop coronating nominees, but I do think they've learned enough of their lesson that they're going to take into account whether their coronated nominee is electable when they make their decision. My money's on Gillibrand. The problem is all the Correct the Record/ShareBlue nuts have been preemptively astroturfing social media with Black Lives Matter spam in preparation for Kamala's run, so the minute she falls out of favor it's going to be a 3-way between "Hillary's Pick" Kamala Harris, Bernie, and the DNC's pick It will be ugly
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LGD posted:I don't think they've learned anything at all oh no they definitely learned that they can abuse and betray their base all they like and face no consequences for it
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Ruzihm posted:hillary wrote about owning slaves in a bestselling book didnt harris own slaves basically too
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Tunicate posted:didnt harris own slaves basically too i dunno if she owned any but she made a living on catching them.
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Tunicate posted:didnt harris own slaves basically too hillary rented slaves, whereas harris was the one renting the slaves out. completely different
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the bitcoin of weed posted:iirc obama had ICE basically game deportation stats by counting everyone caught at or near the border as a deportation (and he definitely had some garbage policies wrt childhood arrivals that hillary gleefully defended in one of the primary debates) but we definitely didn't have gestapo rolling into diners and kidnapping parents on their way to drop their kids at school Trump doesn't count people caught at or near the border as a deportation?
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:https://twitter.com/allie_conti/status/972163267736031234?s=19 just got sentenced to 7 years lol
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:just got sentenced to 7 years lol 
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punk rebel ecks posted:Trump doesn't count people caught at or near the border as a deportation? presumably they still do that in addition to the very visible terrorisms, I haven't checked the numbers or anything
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I think some people here have overlearned 2016's lesson and are shook. looking @ you wampalord. the dnc is talking about abolishing superdelegates right now, who knows if they will or won't, but the dnc/dccc are hardly hypercompetent masterminds bernie got 43% of the vote to clinton's 55% (and 2% going to misc) we know at least four major names are running in 2020 - bernie, kamala, booker, gillibrand. there might be more but it involves unfounded speculation, so let's focus on these four. (I find it very unlikely warren will run, especially not after yesterday where she directly called out a major wing of the Democrats and made a bunch of enemies. Plus she's said she hates campaigning and especially hates the scrutiny and intrusion it brings. She'll be happy staying in Senate and maybe one day  SenMajLdr. as for keith: he might attempt a run but he's not going to successfully jump from congressman to Democratic Party Nominee and he's probably better off going after senator/attorney general/governor first) almost all that 43% will go to bernie again I feel really safe in predicting so. A significant chunk of clinton's 55% will have taken the venom snake/majorian route and become extremely disillusioned with the clinton wing and with establishment candidates in general. I don't know how large that chunk will be but I'm going to guess they're going to be split between bernie and gillibrand, and maybe another progressive candidate if they run -- but again, unfounded speculation as of right now. there's going to be a subset of brainless hanger-ons who will yaaas for kamala and grovel before her and post sassy gifs everywhere no matter what but I don't think it'll be enough to pull ahead in a multiway primary especially one that looks as contested as this will be and I don't think that subset is going to be all that large even with kamala getting preapproved and getting ShareBlue astroturfing. that they're trying this hard already is IMO not a sign that it's catching on the remainder of the clinton wing, the centrists and the other soft liberals, will be split three ways between booker, harris, and gillibrand. booker is going to easily rake in the wealthier democrats, gillibrand will snatch up the more progressive-leaning democrats. I don't see any path here for harris to really build a following, anyone who's calling for someone TOUGH ON CRIME!! is already a republican or has other more important priorities tugging on their vote
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It is absolutely going to be ugly, however everything plays out. I think Harris defining herself as the Law and Order Democrat is, charitably, a huge risk for her, but I wouldn't count her out yet. I think Gillibrand's in the strongest position of the big three right now, no matter how much Neochud Twitter* shouts about Franken. Booker's trying too hard, and it shows. Of course there's still a lot of time. Don't forget that Bill Clinton basically came out of nowhere. ___ *Original joke TM and C 2018 me, do not steal
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think some people here have overlearned 2016's lesson and are shook. looking @ you wampalord. the dnc is talking about abolishing superdelegates right now, who knows if they will or won't, but the dnc/dccc are hardly hypercompetent masterminds This implies that they're actually going to do anything. Call me when they do.
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WampaLord posted:This implies that they're actually going to do anything. Call me when they do. you missed the point of that sentence I think
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