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ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Yeah, but then that shuts down his ability cause Rey becomes active after he stressed himself?

Yes it does shut down his ability, but that's okay. You are using it against ships where his ability doesn't matter anyway.

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canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
R3-A2 on Fenn is just there for the Expertise counter. If you don't run into an Expertise carrier, you don't trigger the droid. Or maybe you still use R3-A2 if it means double stressing the Inquisitor or any other PTL carrier, or other pilots that depend on not being stressed (the solution to the oppressive TIE Striker: Countdown meta). I like FAA more because re-positioning is fun and helpful, but R3-A2 is a better tool.

Edit: The guy in that crazy Facebook post was the subject of discussion in the XWing slack channel this morning. I guess he's known for calling Kanan/Biggs players "rapists". He flew Ghost/Fenn at the Indianapolis regional. Seems like a fun person.

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Seldom Posts
Jul 4, 2010

Grimey Drawer
What is Super Kylo?

Also, I lost my Soontir cardboard ship base square. Any ideas on how to get a new one?

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

ConfusedUs posted:

haha that writing style looks like ParaGoombaSlayer from reddit and FFG forums, who has been banned multiple times because he's a huge dick.

Yeah, one and the same.

canyonero posted:

Edit: The guy in that crazy Facebook post was the subject of discussion in the XWing slack channel this morning. I guess he's known for calling Kanan/Biggs players "rapists". He flew Ghost/Fenn at the Indianapolis regional. Seems like a fun person.

That's a funny detail. He rages so hard against that list and said "I don't need to fly better, I just need to fly ghost/fenn" but it sounds like that strategy didn't put him in the cut :laugh:

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Seldom Posts posted:

What is Super Kylo?

Also, I lost my Soontir cardboard ship base square. Any ideas on how to get a new one?

Probably Kylo Ren (Silencer) with Push the Limit, Advanced Optics, Autothrusters, Title, and Advanced Sensors.

canyonero posted:

Edit: The guy in that crazy Facebook post was the subject of discussion in the XWing slack channel this morning. I guess he's known for calling Kanan/Biggs players "rapists". He flew Ghost/Fenn at the Indianapolis regional. Seems like a fun person.

I lost track of the number of times on Reddit I'd see a thread like "Hey I'm new and I like Rebels what should I buy" and then this guy would hop in and call them future Hitlers, or early-stage cancer, or similar.

Dude needed to go. After he was perma'd he changed his flair to "Permanbanned for being right. No regrets."

A real piece of work, that guy.

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
Some of the podcasts have some great salt to listen to. The latest Mynock one has them talking to the first and second place winners of a regional and one of the hosts straight called one of their lists “bullshit” at how it abuses the game mechanics and that it’s not “X-Wing”.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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The biggest "bullshit" list to me right now is Fenn/Ghost, followed by 3-4 Wookiees. Those games are just so incredibly grindy and it's hard to make progress.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

ConfusedUs posted:

The biggest "bullshit" list to me right now is Fenn/Ghost, followed by 3-4 Wookiees. Those games are just so incredibly grindy and it's hard to make progress.

I feel absolutely dirty taking to the regionals prep tournament Saturday, and I am actively hoping the other person wants to fly against my t-65s

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006
I flew Kanan/Biggs for a long time and basically just never triggered Kanan's ability because that always felt like the piece that people hated the most. So Ghost/Fenn was a natural fit for me, and I really like flying it, but I understand why people don't like flying against it. I wish there was an element of the list I could similarly "turn off" and have it still be effective, while also not frustrating people. Sometimes I'll "forget" to trigger Sensor Jammer, but at 0 agility eventually I'll need to use it to stay ahead in the damage race.

I wonder if people get less annoyed playing against the Synced Turret versions.

I think you have to use Kanan's ability at least once around with this though:
Kanan Jarrus (38)
Fire-Control System (2)
Synced Turret (4)
Recon Specialist (3)
Tactician (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Ghost (0)

"Zeb" Orrelios (18)
Phantom (0)

Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Hotshot Co-pilot (4)
R3-A2 (2)

Total: 98

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canyonero fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Mar 9, 2018

lazerus06
May 19, 2004

canyonero posted:

I flew Kanan/Biggs for a long time and basically just never triggered Kanan's ability because that always felt like the piece that people hated the most. So Ghost/Fenn was a natural fit for me, and I really like flying it, but I understand why people don't like flying against it. I wish there was an element of the list I could similarly "turn off" and have it still be effective, while also not frustrating people. Sometimes I'll "forget" to trigger Sensor Jammer, but at 0 agility eventually I'll need to use it to stay ahead in the damage race.

I wonder if people get less annoyed playing against the Synced Turret versions.

I think you have to use Kanan's ability at least once around with this though:
Kanan Jarrus (38)
Fire-Control System (2)
Synced Turret (4)
Recon Specialist (3)
Tactician (2)
Engine Upgrade (4)
Ghost (0)

"Zeb" Orrelios (18)
Phantom (0)

Fenn Rau (Sheathipede) (20)
Veteran Instincts (1)
Hotshot Co-pilot (4)
R3-A2 (2)

Total: 98

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I actually feel like this is a little more "wholesome." The Synced turret has a little more skill involved to get the full benefit. Kana takes some more aggressive flying to get him into range to get his ability to trigger.
I love the inclusion of tactician for stress.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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I much prefer to fight against that Kanan/Biggs version because there's valid counterplay. Range 3 alpha strikes, aces who can get behind it and trail at range 3 (avoiding the boost to r1/2), etc. It's still an oppressive list, but it's way less frustrating than the Fenn/Lothal version.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007


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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
THE HATE CRIME DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON
Arvyl Crynyd with Snap shot and intimidation?

:getin:

(Oh man what a waste of a ship)

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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bunnyofdoom posted:

Arvyl Crynyd with Snap shot and intimidation?

:getin:

(Oh man what a waste of a ship)

I'm a firm believer that ALL the A-Wing frame needs to be competitive is 3 attack primary rather than 2. That's...it. Add the text "increase your primary attack value by 1" to chaardan refit and be done.

A 5-ship Snap/Juke A-Wing swarm would be pretty scary. Those things are FAST and WILL get in someone's face. Jake and Tycho are both now premier-level aces. Arvyl is useful as a blocker because if he misses the block, he can still shoot.

ConfusedUs fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Mar 9, 2018

Seldom Posts
Jul 4, 2010

Grimey Drawer

ConfusedUs posted:

I'm a firm believer that ALL the A-Wing frame needs to be competitive is 3 attack primary rather than 2. That's...it. Add the text "increase your primary attack value by 1" to chaardan refit and be done.

A 5-ship Snap/Juke A-Wing swarm would be pretty scary. Those things are FAST and WILL get in someone's face. Jake and Tycho are both now premier-level aces. Arvyl is useful as a blocker because if he misses the block, he can still shoot.

It's not super competitive, but I like flying Gemmer Sojan with snap shot, stealth device, and refit. Extra attack and five green dice at R1 is hilarious.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Seldom Posts posted:

It's not super competitive, but I like flying Gemmer Sojan with snap shot, stealth device, and refit. Extra attack and five green dice at R1 is hilarious.

At that point he's like a lovely scum Fenn...but if he had a 3-die primary he'd be like 80% of a scum Fenn and worth taking, considering that setup costs, what, 25-ish points? A couple more if you use the double EPT title for juke or crack shot or ptl or something

banned from Starbucks
Jul 18, 2004




canyoneer posted:

I am part of the admin team of a chill facebook x-wing page with about 4000 followers.
There's a dude on there who has been dumping out these raging tirades against the meta, the designers, every player who plays [LIST I HATE], etc.
Turns out he has already been banned from the FFG forums, reddit, and his own local x-wing facebook group. Looking at the level of discourse in both those places, how much of a jerk do you need to be to get banned from reddit of all places?

There's a big difference between making light of the dumb parts of the meta, the rules, and the community vs turning into a crazy street preacher and making rape analogies about a spaceships game. Page is public, not censoring names.

:stare:


Nova or dankxwing memes?

Nick "I went 3-3 in Indy with lothal Fenn while telling people I just wanted free wins" lamarra.

enigmahfc
Oct 10, 2003

EFF TEE DUB!!
EFF TEE DUB!!
If things changed so that A-Wings would be useful in a competitive environment, I would be happier with this game then I ever thought was possible.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Well, at some point we're gonna get an RZ-2 A-Wing with a tech slot before they buff the RZ-1, so that might be a while.

Admiral Joeslop
Jul 8, 2010




Fix B-wings too please. Big lumbering fragile cannon boats that have no use.

They were always my favorite.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

Admiral Joeslop posted:

Fix B-wings too please. Big lumbering fragile cannon boats that have no use.

They were always my favorite.

Mine too, one of the first tournaments I ever played I won because I randomly showed up and pushed Quad B's w/ AC and this was right around when Heroes of the Resistance dropped.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


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banned from Starbucks posted:

Nova or dankxwing memes?

Nick "I went 3-3 in Indy with lothal Fenn while telling people I just wanted free wins" lamarra.

dank xwing memes. he's banned now.

He's been banned on every platform, a memes page was his last resort to preach about how the meta is terrible. Sounds like a real peach.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Admiral Joeslop posted:

Fix B-wings too please. Big lumbering fragile cannon boats that have no use.

They were always my favorite.

I kinda want to make the B-Wing a glass cannon in today's meta. Also increase its attack value by one. Perhaps with some condition thing like all damage cards are dealt face-up or something.

I'd have to test this out, though. I've tested 3-die A-Wings a lot and they're pretty much perfect, even if you get 5 of them in a list. But four, 4-die B-Wings might be too much. I dunno.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008
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ConfusedUs posted:

I kinda want to make the B-Wing a glass cannon in today's meta. Also increase its attack value by one. Perhaps with some condition thing like all damage cards are dealt face-up or something.

I'd have to test this out, though. I've tested 3-die A-Wings a lot and they're pretty much perfect, even if you get 5 of them in a list. But four, 4-die B-Wings might be too much. I dunno.

Maybe a b-wing title that you spend a shield to roll an extra red? Or to like turn all eyes to crits?

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats
Worst part of Ghost/Fenn for me is the Maul/Ezra combo. 4/5 die attack with a reroll that surely will have an eyeball to turn into a crit every dang shot. Being able to use it toss a stress when it hits then use it again for the first TLT shot then use Ezra again for the second TLT shot then clear the stress....It's just to dang accurate for no risk.

Wait a minute... can you use Ezra on both TLT shots if stressed?

I lost a match to it last night when I called the first engagement wrong. Went down like a prom dress.

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Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
B-Wing E2 should be a title, then there’s a B-Wing only mod that allows you to fire your lasers and ion cannon as one shot with damage and ion token, taking a weapons disabled token in return.

A-Wing title that lets you boost and barrel roll as a combined action. Then a modification to remove missiles to upgrade your lasers one red die.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Maul clears the stress after both TLT shots are done. So you can only use him on one. Ezra works on both though

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats

ConfusedUs posted:

Maul clears the stress after both TLT shots are done. So you can only use him on one. Ezra works on both though

drat. Grasping at straws over here.

hoiyes
May 17, 2007

enigmahfc posted:

If things changed so that A-Wings would be useful in a competitive environment, I would be happier with this game then I ever thought was possible.

A-wings with unguided rockets, or with the reload action and proton rockets would be peachy.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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“That’s how much health?”

Count: 3

Event hasn’t started yet.

Edit: 6

ConfusedUs fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Mar 10, 2018

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010

Against All Tyrants

Ultra Carp

ConfusedUs posted:

“That’s how much health?”

Count: 3

Event hasn’t started yet.

Edit: 6

:lol:

I wish you luck!

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats

ConfusedUs posted:

“That’s how much health?”

Count: 3

Event hasn’t started yet.

Edit: 6

Hahahahah we went through that at the ACT regional. When people would ask my friend where he got the idea he would point at me across the room and say "blame him". Got a few jokng "gently caress you" comments from people.

No matter how well you do with the list it is worth taking just for peoples reactions.

Funzo
Dec 6, 2002



I tried out something similar to this last weekend, and had some success. I tweaked it a little to remove some deadweight. It's what I'm likely flying in the Open and Adepticon. Anyone have comments?


99 points

PILOTS

Rho Squadron Veteran (31) x 2
Alpha-class Star Wing (21), Deadeye (1), Extra Munitions (2), Harpoon Missiles (4), Guidance Chips (0), Cruise Missiles (3)

“Quickdraw” (37)
Special Forces TIE (29), Veteran Instincts (1), Fire-Control System (2), Cruise Missiles (3), Special Ops Training (0), Lightweight Frame (2)

The plan is to hit whatever looks the most dangerous with 3 cruise missiles on the joust, then Harpoon things until they die or I do, with QD sniping at whatever he can hit.

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats

ConfusedUs posted:

I don't know. My guess is probably not. Despite the fact that Covenant used to be one of the best at covering X-Wing they've stopped doing almost anything at all. :(

Dang, went looking for a stream and nothing :( . They just seem completely obsessed with Destiny and other CCGs

Just looked up the event and they are running 2 flights over 2 days and still only having a top 8? I thought you were not allowed to run a customs structure tournament for a regional. Most of our regionals would love to have Top 32 or 16 when numbers run short, but can't because of FFG's rules.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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I ended up going 2-2 with the Incredible Bulk last night, and did not make the graduated swiss rounds today.

The first game I lost was my fault. The second game I lost was the worst string of luck I've ever had in this game. :(

Game 1 vs Miranda (3PO/Harpoon/Bomblet), Low(Rey/Tactician), and Stress Ezra

I felt really good going into this. The fight started on turn 2 so he couldn't build up a focus bank with Rey on Lowhhrick. He wasted his harpoons on the Bomber coming in (it was the only one in arc/range, on purpose that round). It didn't die, and I managed to jam up his entire list really bad. That's when I made the mistake that cost me the game. I somehow missed that Lowhhrick had Selflessness. His Miranda was down to 7hp and was at range 1 of my entire list. I went for the kill shot...and he pulled it to Low.

I could have just wiped Low instead. Miranda was in a place where she literally could not have escaped the kill box the next round. To make things worse, we BOTH hosed up how Selflessness works. We thought it pulled over all the damage. It's just hits. Miranda would have had both weapons failure AND structural damage, dropping her defense and offense to near nothing. Doing EITHER thing right would have won me the game.

But instead Miranda got away and eventually won.

I'd like to point out the guy was genuinely a cool guy and when I went back later to talk about Selflessness he was appropriately horrified and contrite. I don't feel he deliberately hosed it up.

Despite losing, this was the most interesting and fun game of the night.

Game 2 vs Expertise Sloop Rey and an old-school PS2 K-Wing bomber

He placed his ships in opposite corners. He feinted with the K-Wing (which was directly across from my list) and went fast with Rey. I just cut to the left and dogpiled Rey. Ended up with my whole list behind her, chasing her around while the K-Wing faffed about.

This was a decisive win for the Bulk. The moment I chased Rey into a corner without sloop options due to rocks/whatever, I knew I had it.

Game 3 vs Kanan (Maul Ezra, but no Engine) and Fenn

I lost this, despite doing nothing wrong. I made him split his fire repeatedly. I had Kanan down to 3 hp on the third turn. He LITERALLY never got to use his ability the entire game. He was either bumped or stressed. I still had a full ghost, a half ghost, and a nearly full bomber at this point.

Then I rolled blank after blank after blank. On every roll. Repeatedly. At best I'd get 1 hit, which would get sensor jammered. It was infuriating. He managed to kill both ghosts without taking even a single point of damage after that.

I poo poo you not when I say I did ZERO damage after the point he got down to 3hp. I had a turn when I had Kanan, at range 1, in arch of both my ghosts, who had target locks, and Kanan was without any tokens at all...and did zero damage. I attacked at least 8 times before my second ghost died. Zero damage.

He, on the other hand, was rolling crits like mad. I took 4 direct hits that game. :(

I would have won this had I kept the accuracy corrector. Or if, you know, I'd managed to roll more than one hit on those attacks.

Game 4 vs Dengar (Expertise, 4-LOM) and Asajj (Expertise, Latts)
I was really down after that last game, and this one started off just as bad. Round 1, I had Asajj in a perfect killbox. No glitterstim or lone wolf here, just latts (and I baffled the stress because gently caress that). I did...zero damage with 10 dice thrown at her.

Pursuing her would have turned my back to Dengar (and I probably would have only had a single shot due to positioning), so I turned my attention to Dengar. In two rounds, I did two damage to him, despite throwing my entire list his way.

However, I'd like to shout out to this guy named CQ. He is literally the friendliest, most happiest dude in X-Wing. If you play anywhere within driving distance of Austin, you've probably met him. He talks to everyone, and is the jolliest, most amazing person ever. Despite having awful luck in round 3, and bad luck in the first half of this game, I was still enjoying it because CQ is just awesome.

Then my dice luck finally turned, and Dengar was vaporized a round or two later. All my ships were still on the board, but one ghost had 1hp left. I managed to keep that fucker alive for like four rounds by keeping it range 3, obstructed, with an evade token, while the bomber and other ghost attacked Asajj.

Eventually I killed her. I'd lost half the bomber, half a ghost, and the other ghost completely. It was a close game.

Final thoughts
I shouldn't have lost that first game. That was on me. I shouldn't have lost that third game. That was literally the worst string of luck I'd ever had in this game, ever.

I really wish there was another Regional or similar large tournament near me so I could test it out again in a serious competitive environment.

Final Count of Shocked and Amazed comments: 12

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ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Raged posted:

Dang, went looking for a stream and nothing :( . They just seem completely obsessed with Destiny and other CCGs

Just looked up the event and they are running 2 flights over 2 days and still only having a top 8? I thought you were not allowed to run a customs structure tournament for a regional. Most of our regionals would love to have Top 32 or 16 when numbers run short, but can't because of FFG's rules.

It's a really small store. Each flight only fits 38 players. They've been lobbying FFG for a long time to let them do a 2-flight structure, and got approval this year.

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats

ConfusedUs posted:

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Final Count of Shocked and Amazed comments: 12

That selflessness game had to sting and we all know the pain of a bad dice game. 2-2 isn't bad for just starting to really fly a list. Too bad about no other big tournaments around. I guess I take for granted that living in NSW that I usually can find a large tournament every month or two.

Speaking of that of any Aussies are heading to the NSW regional in a fortnight be ready for lots of palp aces and Raclo. It's pretty much the main lists that are currently being played by most of Onyx and Blue Squads. Im sure there still will be plenty of Ghost/Fenn.

ConfusedUs
Feb 24, 2004

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Raged posted:

That selflessness game had to sting and we all know the pain of a bad dice game. 2-2 isn't bad for just starting to really fly a list. Too bad about no other big tournaments around. I guess I take for granted that living in NSW that I usually can find a large tournament every month or two.

Speaking of that of any Aussies are heading to the NSW regional in a fortnight be ready for lots of palp aces and Raclo. It's pretty much the main lists that are currently being played by most of Onyx and Blue Squads. Im sure there still will be plenty of Ghost/Fenn.

There's a Campaign for Cancer tournament in a month here. I'm probably taking the Bulk to that.

Also, in practice, I wrecked multiple palp ace lists. Block one of those little fuckers and it just evaporates.

Raged
Jul 21, 2003

A revolution of beats

ConfusedUs posted:

There's a Campaign for Cancer tournament in a month here. I'm probably taking the Bulk to that.

Also, in practice, I wrecked multiple palp ace lists. Block one of those little fuckers and it just evaporates.

When I found out there are going to be lots of Palp aces last night list my buddy flying bulk just giggled for about 5 minutes.

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Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT
What’s the Incredible Bulk/Bulk Hogan/The Great Bulksky/3 Bulkboards list?

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