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Planescape Torment sucked and so did every 90s top down crpg.
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Plutonis posted:Planescape Torment sucked and so did every 90s top down crpg. You shut your filthy mouth.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:00
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Hot take: the Infinity Engine's pseudo-real-time combat was an awful compromise, and they should have gone with full turn-based like in the Gold Box games
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Mar 9, 2018 15:03
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If Ultima 7 is bad, what is good?
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Mar 9, 2018 15:03
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remusclaw posted:If Ultima 7 is bad, what is good? And yes, Planescape as a whole is just one big example of 90's RPG excess.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:07
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gradenko_2000 posted:Hot take: the Infinity Engine's pseudo-real-time combat was an awful compromise, and they should have gone with full turn-based like in the Gold Box games RTwP beats turn-based any time.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:12
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Lemon-Lime posted:RTwP beats turn-based any time. rtwp is always garbage
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Mar 9, 2018 15:14
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Lemon-Lime posted:RTwP beats turn-based any time. True, but the infinity engine was pretty bad, which is why PS:T only had like 4 mandatory fights. It's strongest when it's more adventure game than RPG combat.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:16
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Hel posted:True, but the infinity engine was pretty bad, which is why PS:T only had like 4 mandatory fights. It's strongest when it's more adventure game than RPG combat. Nah, real time with pause works fine. Don’t judge the Infinity Engine by PS:T which added a bunch of cruft to the user interface and punted on a lot of gameplay. When you get into the guts of it with Baldur’s Gate or Icewind Dale, it’s plenty.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:19
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I've had Icewind Dale on my iPad for ages because it really seems like the kind of thing I would love to play on an iPad but whenever I use it I end up just reading RPG sourcebooks on Kindle.  Is it worth a playthrough? It never really gets talked up like the other Infinity Engine games.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:24
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Andrast posted:rtwp is always garbage
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Mar 9, 2018 15:24
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Someone please remake/remaster Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
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Mar 9, 2018 15:25
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food court bailiff posted:I've had Icewind Dale on my iPad for ages because it really seems like the kind of thing I would love to play on an iPad but whenever I use it I end up just reading RPG sourcebooks on Kindle. People remember the epic plotline in BG1/2 and PS:T's cool philosophical stuff more easily than they remember IWD, a game that's 90% dungeon crawling with barely any plot, which is why it doesn't get talked up as much. If you like Infinity Engine combat, it's good.
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Mar 9, 2018 15:34
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The best thing about BG2 was that its best build was a Kensai/Mage that Dual Wielded Katanas.
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Mar 9, 2018 16:08
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Geneforge remakes when
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Mar 9, 2018 16:56
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gradenko_2000 posted:Hot take: the Infinity Engine's pseudo-real-time combat was an awful compromise, and they should have gone with full turn-based like in the Gold Box games That's not a hot take, but the combat could've just been the game shooting nails at your crotch through the computer and it still would be a great fucken game.
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Mar 9, 2018 16:57
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fool_of_sound posted:Geneforge remakes when In about 18 months or so.
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Mar 9, 2018 18:21
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Planescape is good but only if you use Sigil as a occasional destination.
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Mar 9, 2018 18:33
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Lurdiak posted:Whoever wrote this was extremely opposed to the idea of player characters defeating any powerful entity or claiming any treasure or doing anything at all. Well, AD&D 2e lived in mortal fear of any campaign turning into a "mug-the-gods" power trip, and though the fear was almost always overblown, the fear did have some basis. Planescape didn't want to be about that, so they set up a lot of hard walls, for better or worse.
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Mar 9, 2018 18:36
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It's best adventure was abput god mugging though.
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Mar 9, 2018 18:38
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Andrast posted:rtwp is always garbage
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Mar 9, 2018 18:38
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Drone posted:Someone please remake/remaster Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
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Mar 9, 2018 18:52
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I passed a car whose license plate was “WAAAAGH” but the car wasn’t red. Missed opportunity on the owner’s part?
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Mar 9, 2018 21:11
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I have this weird relationship with old RTwP RPGs where I remember liking them but now I play them and the combat is so off putting I bounce off of every single one.
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Mar 9, 2018 21:40
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Blockhouse posted:I have this weird relationship with old RTwP RPGs where I remember liking them but now I play them and the combat is so off putting I bounce off of every single one. I still like the KOTOR games, but RTwP isn't like...a selling point for me
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Mar 9, 2018 21:55
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Andrast posted:rtwp is always garbage
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Mar 9, 2018 22:00
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RTwP just seems like a kludgey workaround for bad gameplay / controls, IMO.
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Mar 9, 2018 22:00
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Error 404 posted:I still like the KOTOR games, but RTwP isn't like...a selling point for me Yeah KOTOR I think is the one exception for me too. I play those games fine. I think the dealbreaker for most of them for me is it feels like you have to babysit idiot party members constantly.
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Mar 9, 2018 22:05
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I played one of the KOTOR games and enjoyed it well enough but the combat is trash even compared to other 3.5e-based CRPGS
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Mar 9, 2018 22:33
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Real Time RPGs were a horrible compromise born of the fact that turn based was starting to be seen as very antiquated and people wanted faster, more action-y RPGS. I would turn every single one of them into turn based grid rpgs with some kind of game design wand if I could.
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Mar 9, 2018 23:26
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gradenko_2000 posted:Hot take: the Infinity Engine's pseudo-real-time combat was an awful compromise, and they should have gone with full turn-based like in the Gold Box games Agreed. I like some games that use real time with pause but it's usually in spite of that. I think the only time I ever enjoyed the novelty of RTwP was in Baldur's Gate 1 when I had my rogue kite a troll or something while everyone shot at it. That would've been less fun if it weren't happening in mostly real time. Other than that though, I was just constantly pausing anyway. Nickoten fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Mar 9, 2018 |
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Mar 9, 2018 23:45
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Andrast posted:rtwp is always garbage It really is
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Mar 9, 2018 23:53
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After reading Glorantha stuff in the FATAL & Friends thread I have decided Glorantha is not for me and buying that setting book is probably a bad idea I did however find out there's a new edition of Freedom City which is one of my favorite world info books ever though so I got that instead
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Mar 10, 2018 00:01
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Planescape: Torment has a great premise, setting, and storyline that's married to the most abysmal loving engine. It's drat near unplayable by today's standards. I never thought I'd agree with Plutonis on anything but, here we go.
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Mar 10, 2018 01:06
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Error 404 posted:I still like the KOTOR games, but RTwP isn't like...a selling point for me At least Kotors weird rear end adventure game/proto MMO UI made it more bearable to play than the other piles it was released with. It's insane how I can't honestly play poo poo like BG and Planescape today because it looks and play so clunky, slow and lovely.
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Mar 10, 2018 01:47
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Plutonis posted:At least Kotors weird rear end adventure game/proto MMO UI made it more bearable to play than the other piles it was released with. It's insane how I can't honestly play poo poo like BG and Planescape today because it looks and play so clunky, slow and lovely. Kotor is demonstrably five times slower than Baldur's Gate or Planescape.
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Mar 10, 2018 01:51
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It's only a piece of poo poo game on the early game but it gets way better in the mid
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Mar 10, 2018 01:52
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It's still way slow due to travel time alone. Walking from one end of Sigil to the other is a snap compared to going anywhere in Kotor.
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Mar 10, 2018 02:03
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I just can't go back to kotor, I'm sorry
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I'll preserve it in my memory, like what people do with goldeneye
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