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Yeah, entitlement is a word for it. People are entitled to many things. Health, happiness, freedom, sentience. All of that. The point of both a gift and a lottery is that it's a chance at something that you give up completely when you gift it to somebody else. That's the loving point. If I were to get a large winning, then hell yeah I'd be spreading that poo poo around after the appropriate counseling and financial management people took their cut, and after I took care of the most important person in the world (me, unless I had kids then kids, then me). But the people expecting something, whether or not they were the gifter, would undoubtedly be the first people I'd put on a "you get nothing" list. If I was the one that gifted the ticket, I'd expect nothing different myself.  
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What's wrong with agreeing with me? I thought we were pals. 
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Mar 10, 2018 18:44
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We are pals I had you confused with someone else. I turned off avatars a few days ago for work browsing . Sorry bud! Also I don't generally disagree with anybody wholeheartedly here, so it would have been in jest anyway.
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So my 4 year old Kenmore (aka Whirlpool) fridge has what might just be the stupidest ice maker design. In door ice, with bucket in door. The water filter clogged prematurely, likely due to city doing perpetual maintenance on water lines. The water pressure to the ice maker dropped so that it ran non-stop trying to fill the ice maker in its normal cycle. The water ran through the ice dispenser bucket and out a relief valve in the freezer door and onto the floor. Fine, replace the filter and mop the floor. It's making ice but now the ice dispenser doesn't work. Why? Because the motor is mounted below the ice bucket and in the path of the relief valve. Fine, remove the motor. Area surrounding motor was solid ice. Let it thaw and it works. Install it, it works for a few hours and then stops. Motor housing is full of water and it's 'sealed' with no way to remove the water. Water freezes and binds the motor. Roll the dice, drill small holes in lowest part of the downward facing side of motor housing, shake out the water. Stick in the oven for 2 hours at 200 degrees. Shake some more. Let it cool off and dry, reinstall and it works. Running the ice dispenser hourly throughout the day. Hoping to not have to buy a new one for $70. Stupid design. Goober Peas fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Yeah, you're not entitled to jack or poo poo if you give someone a gift that turns out to be worth a hell of a lot of money. On the other hand, the recipient is still a bit of a dick for bragging about a quarter million dollar win, while making a point to tell you he didn't give anything back / asking you to split the check. If six figures showed up in my lap because of someone else, I could afford to buy at the very least a few nice dinners. Otherwise, keep it 100% to yourself.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:48
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I'd buy everyone I know Platinum Pornhub subscriptions.
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Mar 10, 2018 18:57
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That is an interesting case study. The giver is entitled to nothing but friendship. One person says give him 5000. Why that number? How do you settle for what is "agreeable"? It is all arbitrary the same way that anyone driving faster than you is too fast and a maniac and anyone slower than you is a moron. As a giver you shouldn't expect anything, so in the event that something was given in kind should be appreciated. I once told my sister she owed me a very nice dinner. My reasoning was that as a single employed person it cost me $12K in one year for the privilege of being an American. She worked part time part of the year and quit her job. She was unmarried with two kids and was living with her babies daddy who supported them. Not only did she get a full refund of any and all taxes she paid but in addition was given $7K because she qualified as below the poverty level. The tax system, broken AF.
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I'd say 1% of the net payout as a "finder's fee", but I'm bad with money
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Mar 10, 2018 19:13
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Either tell or don't, but humblebragging about it then still making you buy dinner is lovely.
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Mar 10, 2018 19:15
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QuarkMartial posted:Either tell or don't, but humblebragging about it then still making you buy dinner is lovely. 100% agree with this as well. If he tells one soul it will certainly make its way back around.
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Yeah, he's a dick for the dinner thing after bragging, no doubt. Not defending that.
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Somewhat Heroic posted:
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Somewhat Heroic posted:That is an interesting case study. The giver is entitled to nothing but friendship. One person says give him 5000. Why that number? How do you settle for what is "agreeable"? quote:I once told my sister she owed me a very nice dinner. My reasoning was that as a single employed person it cost me $12K in one year for the privilege of being an American. She worked part time part of the year and quit her job. She was unmarried with two kids and was living with her babies daddy who supported them. Not only did she get a full refund of any and all taxes she paid but in addition was given $7K because she qualified as below the poverty level. So now you're arbiter of taxes? Even if your argument had any basis, she would owe YOU about 1/350,000,000 of that $7k, since it comes from the pot we all pay into. Yeah, there are times in ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨An American's ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ life where you pay in more than you get out. There are also times when your life can be hit by a truck and you really need some support. I'd rather stray on the side of taking care of people and our American structure than hoarding what I feel is "mine," when really whatever you gain is through the collective structure that has been put in place by ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨TAXES¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ and the work of others to open up your space to achieve.
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Monterey is just beautiful. I don't think ibhave ever been to a more peaceful place.
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  Getting reaaaaaaal sick of this poo poo. I've been through a fire before, so I GTFO when the building fire alarm goes off. But this is the 3rd false in 2 months. Hard to tell with the sun, but it's still showing as being in alarm, just silenced, and the trouble strobe is flashing (but not chirping, guess maintenance figured out how to silence the piezo on it [edit: found the manual, there's a trouble silence switch on it that they turned on]). And it's a single zone system, so the entire system is effectively disabled now. It's not even that old of an alarm (it's a current model in ESL's lineup), but it's been hacked together so bad that it doesn't know what "fire" is. DesperateDan posted:I have had good luck with stripping stuff down as far as reasonably practicable, drying it out with dehumidifier packs while opened up and giving it repeated hosings with contact cleaner spray, but if it was used while wet the odds aren't good. It was on when it got the toilet dunk, and it's one of those "gently caress you if you want to take your own phone apart to remove the battery" designs (Galaxy S6 Edge). I gave up on it last night. The display and touchscreen are obviously good (never knew you could use the touchscreen in android recovery before), so are the speakers, but replacing the power IC is a lot more work than I want to put into it. I'll just sell it as a parts phone on ebay. If the USB port on my PC would provide enough power for it to work, I'd just try to flash new firmware to it and see what happens. But it just keeps flashing (very briefly) the Samsung logo when plugged into a PC. Rhyno posted:Monterey is just beautiful. I don't think ibhave ever been to a more peaceful place. I have family that used to live there, and have a cousin that graduated from Monterey High School. It's beautiful until you look at the cost of living. My aunt and uncle owned their house for over 40 years, so it was long paid for, but they were shocked at what the house sold for vs what they paid for it in the 70s. randomidiot fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Mar 10, 2018 20:02
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Yu-Gi-Ho! posted:
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Upgraded my old 23" monitor to a 27" and goddamn this is nice. I mean, it's still only 1080p which was why it was so cheap but hey big rear end screen.
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Fun discussion about the lottery winner, that's the reason I posted it, the older I get the more interested I am in other people's point of view. I spent too much of my life with a very narrow world view and I enjoy seeing other perspectives. I didn't mean to indicate that anyone felt entitled. Not even me, except for the tiny token of one dinner, something I've done for this particular friend numerous times in the past when he was low on cash. Nobody is entitled to it, nobody is obligated to share it, and nobody should be compelled to share it. I just think personally that not sharing it is a dick move. My first instinct would be to call the giver and share the good news. Then again, they may be of the opinion that I should give the whole thing back, which would suck. That's one way money ends friendships. As a counter-example, I have another friend who got a massive raise, a company BMW, and a $50,000 bonus a year ago because he worked his way to the top of a small business over 30 years. He earned every penny of that bonus, zero debate about whether he was entitled to keep it, but he still picked up the check when we went out to celebrate. Seminal Flu posted:Yeah, there are times in ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨An American's ¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨ life where you pay in more than you get out. You touched on this, but it's actually the LUCKY ONES where this is the case. If you need government assistance, or make so little that you don't pay taxes, your life is not going well at all. And people need to think of at least some of their taxes like insurance. Do you go out and crash your car every few years to get 100% of your premiums back? I pay the taxes on fire and police so that they'll come if I need them. But I'll be ecstatic if I go through my life without that. LloydDobler fucked around with this message at 20:32 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Seminal Flu posted:That would be super loving annoying. It is, and right now, it's completely disabled. It has power, but it's disabled (left switch disables zone 1.. it's a single zone system). People are already reacting to it crying wolf one too many times. Only 1 other tenant bothered to get out, everyone else just hung out on their patios to get away from the inside sirens.
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LloydDobler posted:You touched on this, but it's actually the LUCKY ONES where this is the case. If you need government assistance, or make so little that you don't pay taxes, your life is not going well at all. People need to think of at least some of their taxes like insurance. Do you go out and crash your car every few years to get 100% of your premiums back? I pay the taxes on fire and police so that they'll come if I need them. But I'll be ecstatic if I go through my life without that. Yeah, this is a good point. I'd MUCH rather pay more in taxes to support people who have particular needs taken care of, than to have them get desperate and start "doing what they had to do" to survive. Instead of playing the victim card, the realization of LUCKY is closer to the truth. Also, I lived in my first house, single, for 10 years. I paid thousands of dollars in property tax, mostly going to schools that I had no child attending. Should I bitch about that? I got absolutely no benefit for my contribution... oh wait, I did... property values were maintained because the area remained attractive to families, and education (in any form) creates a better environment. It's a big, collective pot we pay in to as a community, I hope I never have to take out of it more than I do now, but I'm glad that my taxes support that community.
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^yeah, educated society is better for everyone.Previa_fun posted:Upgraded my old 23" monitor to a 27" and goddamn this is nice. I have this one picked out for the next time I upgrade: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B074JKT894/?coliid=I17V6PYZRN3Z5G&colid=2QHY3OSVR0LXF&psc=0&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it It's a little on the spendy side, but it's the same height as a 27" and about 8-9 inches wider, with about 30% higher resolution than 1080. If I read the specs correctly it's the same width resolution as a 4k screen with the top cropped off. But yeah, big monitors rule, and are worth it even if they're expensive. I paid like $900 back in the day for a pair of 19" LCDs to play quake 3 on. One of them had a built in TV receiver so I could watch cable on it. Look how far we've come. Also, anyone else working the weekend and bored? I have a late, high stress project to work on and all I wanna do is surf the forums. LloydDobler fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Mar 10, 2018 |
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Not the top of the page but have a Biscuit:  7 months old now. His mom's owner said he's a lab/shephard mix but we have no idea what this dog is made of.
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Previa_fun posted:Not the top of the page but have a Biscuit: . . . Analysis complete . 100% good boy
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Cage posted:She told you to gently caress off, right? Oh yeah all the time, but not about that. I in no way was actually serious, but pointing out the fact that the tax system is messed up. My sister and I have a great relationship!
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Lazy poor people scamming the system for $1500 a year in income tax avoidance pay far more, proportionate to their remaining 'fun' money (to spend on sweet stuff like electricity, water & power, heat, and food) than do rich people thanks to sales taxes and gasoline taxes and all the other income-not-considered fees people have to pay to live anywhere that maintains a relatively functional police force, street lights, schooling system, etc.
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Previa_fun posted:Not the top of the page but have a Biscuit: I would like to have a Biscuit
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Doggo is a good Biscuit. Monterey is just so relaxing. We're grabbing some food and are gonna go sit on the edge of the bay.
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Rhyno posted:Doggo is a good Biscuit. There's a really good burger place in Monterey. I forget the name, but ask the local, they'll know.
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Seminal Flu posted:There's a really good burger place in Monterey. I forget the name, but ask the local, they'll know. Our Lyft driver legit asked us if we'd ever had In N Out like it was some rare delicacy.
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Rhyno posted:Our Lyft driver legit asked us if we'd ever had In N Out like it was some rare delicacy. Son, let me tell you about what it's like to live in Bumfuck, Nowhere, North America... The nearest 5 guys is over 2 hours away for instance.
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Rhyno posted:Our Lyft driver legit asked us if we'd ever had In N Out like it was some rare delicacy. Lol, but then again, In N Out is a damned tasty burger. I looked up the shop I was thinking of, and they must have closed. So... In N Out, it is!
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Ether Frenzy posted:Lazy poor people scamming the system for $1500 a year in income tax avoidance pay far more, proportionate to their remaining 'fun' money (to spend on sweet stuff like electricity, water & power, heat, and food) than do rich people thanks to sales taxes and gasoline taxes and all the other income-not-considered fees people have to pay to live anywhere that maintains a relatively functional police force, street lights, schooling system, etc. EIC is a lot more than $1500. Its not tax avoidance, its getting a large amount back that you never put in. The anecdote about his sister getting $7k back, she may have only put in $1k to begin with. The rest of her “refund” is actually earned income credit. It may have been a little fraudulent in her case since the children’s father was paying all the bills. Its usually reserved for people who file as “head of household” IE single parent. Full disclaimer, I don’t mind paying my taxes. I don’t mind welfare or the people that receive it.
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poo poo, most of you guys are bastards. If one of my mates gave me a lottery ticket and it won I’d split it. The other week I went out with a couple of mates. We were in the pub and drinking rounds. When it came to my round I got an extra free pint through a bartender error in my favour. We split the extra pint 3 ways. I’d treat a gifted winning lottery ticket in the same way.
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Rhyno posted:Doggo is a good Biscuit. Maybe sit on the dock of the bay. Watch the tide roll in... Sit there and rest your bones...
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QuarkMartial posted:Maybe sit on the dock of the bay. Watch the tide roll in... Sit there and rest your bones...  It's raining. We're gonna go relax before dinner, hopefully it stops in 3 hours.
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rdb posted:EIC is a lot more than $1500. Its not tax avoidance, its getting a large amount back that you never put in. The anecdote about his sister getting $7k back, she may have only put in $1k to begin with. The rest of her “refund” is actually earned income credit. It may have been a little fraudulent in her case since the children’s father was paying all the bills. Its usually reserved for people who file as “head of household” IE single parent. The only reason I survived as a child was because of welfare. Now look at me, buying too many Toyotas!
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Rhyno posted:
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Lmao im getting the third degree from some chick because she walked in with a glass of wine and was all OH MY GOD IM SOOOOO DRUNK and I said it was probably from the alchohol
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rdb posted:EIC is a lot more than $1500. Its not tax avoidance, its getting a large amount back that you never put in. The anecdote about his sister getting $7k back, she may have only put in $1k to begin with. The rest of her “refund” is actually earned income credit. It may have been a little fraudulent in her case since the children’s father was paying all the bills. Its usually reserved for people who file as “head of household” IE single parent. I was being a bit facetious calling it that, I have a real hard time caring about $whatever k in people gaming the income tax system when we let our extremely successful multinational corporations walk away with hundreds of billions in profits while paying almost nothing in tax. I'm all for social safety nets, and paying the taxes that keep them functioning. Keeping people from having to do desperate things is how you reduce crime. People by and large don't crime it up if they have a reason not to, and people not in the penal system are more likely to become contributing members of society. Rhyno posted:It's raining. We're gonna go relax before dinner, hopefully it stops in 3 hours. LOL, it hasn't rained here for this long continuously in like 9 months. Nice work, single-handedly solving the CA drought - you should visit more often. Have you explained to your landlubber wiffo that pollo and lomo saltados (from Mario's)(it's what you eat at Mario's) are not seafood yet no matter what Yelp says?
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Ether Frenzy posted:I was being a bit facetious calling it that, I have a real hard time caring about $whatever k in people gaming the income tax system when we let our extremely successful multinational corporations walk away with hundreds of billions in profits while paying almost nothing in tax. however people in the penal system can work for 17 cent an hour, probably even less in some states so they can be exploited for cheap labor. 'merica
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