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Sarcophallus posted:He can copy all the techniques he wants, but he's still lacking power. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ It seems as if his coach knows something about that. One of Baam's superpowers is getting crazy good teachers no one else could get.
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Sarcophallus posted:He can copy all the techniques he wants, but he's still lacking power. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe he'll get to learn that "Lightning Pill" ability to supercharge himself. Cause he needs a new powerbank with his extra soulpower and needle not being good enough anymore.
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Jan 29, 2018 20:26
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Sarcophallus posted:He can copy all the techniques he wants, but he's still lacking power. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Baam doesn't lack power. He just refuses to use it because he's a nice kid.
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Jan 29, 2018 23:28
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Two Tone Shoes posted:Baam doesn't lack power. He just refuses to use it because he's a nice kid. A "demon equal to the 'god' of the Tower" if I remember correctly. He meets it in the Rice Pot as a sort of Faustian bargain/Dark Side of the Force deal where he accepts the same mindset as Jahad in return for a shortcut to tremendous power. I think he accepts a "little bit of power" from it once or twice later? But it doesn't provide him with anything he can't potentially get through learning to use his power to it's full potential. Jahad has a similar demon, and when Baam meets his the God of Guardians thinks of how Baam is being tempted and how he "must not become like Jahad" (paraphrased). At this rate, it would be amusing if Karaka didn't abandon his plan to melt Voile down because the kid's power is growing geometrically and he couldn't avoid a confrontation with Jahad even if he wanted to because of it. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Jan 30, 2018 01:53
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Jahad is a dick
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Feb 5, 2018 12:06
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He's keeping to the letter of the agreement, but definitely not the spirit. Figured he'd try and pull some kinda trick after he said there'd be no traps, but man. Couldn't even wait.
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Feb 5, 2018 13:33
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the khun family seem confident enough that they can kill a big breeder and he's just naming them completely after footballers now
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Wait so Jahad has Wangnan hostage? That's a uh choice, right there Wonder if data Jahad has met any of his kids yet
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Feb 14, 2018 01:17
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http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-289/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=370
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Feb 19, 2018 07:09
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This week's ToG is about how Maschenny is a badass. Kind of interesting how this arc is being used to introduce characters who are very established in the Tower proper. I kind of want our Khun to get to talk to his father and see if at some point he was actually capable of giving a poo poo about his kids as well.
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Feb 20, 2018 14:42
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http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-290/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=371
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Feb 26, 2018 07:08
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its been a while since there was any mention of positions. they've always been a bit of an odd concept like why doesn't everyone have a light house
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Feb 26, 2018 11:29
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Haha, Rak's shinsu form looks like a turle's shell
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Feb 26, 2018 13:00
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Feb 26, 2018 13:09
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There's probably a limit to how much you can train yourself in defence, offence ánd control skills before you lose overall effectiveness. A team with specialists will beat a team of broadly skilled fighters. They just keep running into in-universe fantastically strong people who break the rules.
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Jose posted:its been a while since there was any mention of positions. they've always been a bit of an odd concept like why doesn't everyone have a light house Broadly speaking, my understanding of it was that it was a matter of capability and specialisation. Sure, anyone can throw a spear or control Shinsoo but not anyone can do it well. For a while, it was implied that folks could only do one effectively and while that degree of specialisation seems to be enough to become a Ranker, it seems like every High Ranker can fill any role just as well, if not better, than an otherwise dedicated specialist anyway. Considering the roles everyone is still using was given to them on the second floor, it might just be an oddly generous thing about the way climbing the tower works. Rather than try to learn everything off the bat, just do the one you're already best suited for and maybe learn the rest later if it becomes necessary. Or later on, folks following the normal route would run into multiclassing being a requirement to finish a floor's test. Ultimately, it's pretty much moot though. The roles exist because they're traditional, not because they're necessarily important any more. They're from when Zahard and co. climbed the Tower originally and they're all named after stuff to do with fishing because the biggest threats and problems were the shinheuh, rather than other (ir)regulars.
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Feb 26, 2018 13:30
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i assume thats why shinsoo shapes have suddenly become a thing since every spear bearer we've met so far is just making shinsoo spears rather than fighting with actual weapons
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Feb 26, 2018 14:34
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Mar 5, 2018 07:28
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I love Rak's logic. I make a stone shield, so if I eat rocks I can make rocks!
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Mar 12, 2018 06:24
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Edahn is such a troll
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Mar 12, 2018 07:28
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so baam just used or is going to use the skill enryu was known for
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Mar 12, 2018 10:23
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The skill Enryu's known for the creation of real, genuine life. The red aura thing that Baam's orb has was a thing that Enryu had as well, yeah, but it wasn't a skill; all Shinsoo around Enryu turned red, regardless of the source. That's where his sobriquet of Red Tower came from after all. That's probably more got something to do with the outside God since Enryu was their prophet and Baam was taken out of the tower because of them. I guess he might use the Red Rain skill that Enryu used against the Administrator, but I feel like it was implied that was only doable because Enryu controlled a functionally impossible number of baangs in the first place. I don't see Baam going from 5 to 9000 over the course of one incomplete training session.
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It's not really surprising that attacks enhanced with the weapon Enryu left behind would take on the pallet associated with him. Enryu's attack rained down bolts of shinsoo on an entire floor (so an area roughly the size of North America) rather than sending out three beams of concentrated energy, though. The creation of life thing is a rumour, the thing Enryu is known for is killing a floor guardian and nearly everything else on that particular floor. I guess he must not fight very often considering that seeing him do it changes your eyes in order to grant you prophetic powers. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Mar 12, 2018 13:02
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I think enryu had never been seen before then and has never been seen since, but that level of power understandably made it so no one is forgetting him He's ranked #2 in the tower after only never actually appearing in the story phantaminum based on one single appearance
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has SIU published any images showing off the world outside the tower or is it all just text or whatever?
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During the floor of death the idea of spell ranking was revealed. Spells cast by a stronger power could break a weaker power. That's why Yuri couldn't kill any of the immortals, because she couldn't break the immortality spell on them. Bam could just outright kill them because the power of the thorne outranked their immortality spell. Enryu's red is special because it could not only harm an administrator but kill one, something that Zahard and 10 families can't do.
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Useless Name posted:During the floor of death the idea of spell ranking was revealed. Spells cast by a stronger power could break a weaker power. That's why Yuri couldn't kill any of the immortals, because she couldn't break the immortality spell on them. Bam could just outright kill them because the power of the thorne outranked their immortality spell. An important distinction here is between spells and shinsoo-based attacks. Spells involve souls, contacting, sealing, and binding spirits, etc, and work outside the Tower and are illegal within it, while Shinsoo only exists within the Tower and can be used by Irregulars or Regulars with a contract with the floor administrator. Enryu was able to kill the administrator because his control over shinsoo was simply better than that that of an administrator (unheard of even for an Irregular) and because as an Irregular he could use Shinsoo without the administrator's permission. Prior to his arrival, administrators were widely thought to be unkillable. However, the only barrier to doing so besides their power is their control over the shinsoo on their floor, which Irregulars are not subject to. Zahard and the 10 great family heads are bound to the administrator's of floors 1-134 by their immortality contracts with them.
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Hodgepodge posted:An important distinction here is between spells and shinsoo-based attacks. This isn't what we saw on the floor of death. Yuri was stronger than the zombies on the floor of death but couldn't kill them, but when she used the 10 month series weapons, she could break the immortality spell on them. Likewise, we see the number 3 in the tower loss his power to control shinsoo to the red-baby-admin thing, while Bam was still flooting on his blue disc. His ability to still control shinsoo over the admin was part of the plot. Spells work within the tower, it was Zahard that banned studied them, maybe he had a good point considering what White did with necromancy.
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Useless Name posted:This isn't what we saw on the floor of death. Yuri was stronger than the zombies on the floor of death but couldn't kill them, but when she used the 10 month series weapons, she could break the immortality spell on them. Of course- the zombies are animated through sorcery (ie spells) related to souls, which isn't something shinsoo has any influence over. Although there is interaction between the shinsoo and souls in the form of ignition weapons themselves, where shinsoo is part of the process of imbuing the weapon with a soul. Mazino still has the power to manipulate shinsoo, and he does so when he beats the Thryssa. Baam is the only one who can manipulate the shinsoo when Joe/the Thryssa is controling it, until Mazino takes his power-limiting bracelet off. The Thryssa even says "is this the power of an Irregular?" once Mazino starts kicking his rear end.
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Jose posted:has SIU published any images showing off the world outside the tower or is it all just text or whatever? At one point I tracked down some of his TUS comics (which were more like proofs-of-concept than finished work), but I don't know if they're still online. They had been translated though; the outside world was basically a fantasy/sci-fi version of the real universe. Multiple towers which may or may not be similar to The Tower were present on the planet seen in the comic, and were mentioned to be considered to be a mystery by the characters. I imagine they're subject to revision if he ever returns to them, though. e: here's some translated stuff: http://towerofgod.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:GoDai/GoDai%27s_Translations:_Tailse_User_Story_by_SIU
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Ah, that's really interesting. Before reading that, I was under the impression that Axis/Exis users were reality warpers who controlled "stories", the ToG setting being one example of a story. But it seems that while they are still reality warpers, it's a specific ability unique to each individual that takes many different forms and localized in a space around the user, the space being variable depending on the power of the user. A non Exis user still couldn't even touch an Exis user, because of that space that they control, but another Exis can. It's basically AT fields from Evangelion. So Phantiminium was strong not only because he was a strong Exis user, but also because fundamentally, he was going up against non Exis users. EDIT: But that makes me wonder where that original notion came from. Maybe it was a fan theory in Korea that got mistranslated as facts?
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It definitely helps a lot to understand the towers and they're a mystery on the outside as well. The god outside the tower is an odd concept then as well as enryu going into the tower as a messenger of god. Also explains why the few irregulars there have been are so powerful compared to baam
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Gologle posted:Ah, that's really interesting. Before reading that, I was under the impression that Axis/Exis users were reality warpers who controlled "stories", the ToG setting being one example of a story. But it seems that while they are still reality warpers, it's a specific ability unique to each individual that takes many different forms and localized in a space around the user, the space being variable depending on the power of the user. A non Exis user still couldn't even touch an Exis user, because of that space that they control, but another Exis can. It's basically AT fields from Evangelion. Well, the term "axis/exis" comes from their being the "axis around which history revolves," which seems to imply that he was going for a combination of the Great Man Theory of History, shonen/superheroes, and metafictional acknowledgement of plot armor. The impression I got was that the story they take responsibility for is their own, but that this story also conforms roughly to certain archetypes and the forms they take at the present historical moment. I also get the impression that the form of the concept he's articulated to date is basically a relic of a less mature period of his worldbuilding, and for practical purposes the idea has evolved into the Rankers/High Rankers seen in ToG, other than the general sense that the outside world is much larger than the Tower and contains people who utterly transcend the abilities of the Tower's inhabitants. Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Mar 12, 2018 |
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Hodgepodge posted:Mazino still has the power to manipulate shinsoo, and he does so when he beats the Thryssa. Baam is the only one who can manipulate the shinsoo when Joe/the Thryssa is controling it, until Mazino takes his power-limiting bracelet off. The Thryssa even says "is this the power of an Irregular?" once Mazino starts kicking his rear end. Mazino doesn't control shinsoo in his fight against the Thryssa, he can't fly at all during the fight and just beats the Thryssa with his fists. Bam's ability to ignore the administrator's control is a power unique to him. (and Enryu) Another example of this is Bam's mother and dad, Arlene accepted a contract for immortality and then became impossible for her to even commit suicide. V never made the immortality contract and offs himself like a coward. (according to the story we were told, of course there will be more to it)
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Useless Name posted:Mazino doesn't control shinsoo in his fight against the Thryssa, he can't fly at all during the fight and just beats the Thryssa with his fists. Bam's ability to ignore the administrator's control is a power unique to him. (and Enryu) Another example of this is Bam's mother and dad, Arlene accepted a contract for immortality and then became impossible for her to even commit suicide. V never made the immortality contract and offs himself like a coward. (according to the story we were told, of course there will be more to it) He controls shinsoo just fine in the last part of the fight. http://www.webtoons.com/en/fantasy/tower-of-god/season-2-ep-252/viewer?title_no=95&episode_no=333 Hodgepodge fucked around with this message at 13:10 on Mar 13, 2018 |
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Hodgepodge posted:At one point I tracked down some of his TUS comics (which were more like proofs-of-concept than finished work), but I don't know if they're still online. They had been translated though; the outside world was basically a fantasy/sci-fi version of the real universe. Multiple towers which may or may not be similar to The Tower were present on the planet seen in the comic, and were mentioned to be considered to be a mystery by the characters. I imagine they're subject to revision if he ever returns to them, though. lol, the comments of that wiki page consist of people being really salty that a universe existing outside the Tower implies that Baam is not literally the most important person in the universe. It seems like some people become way too deeply emotionally involved in the power fantasy aspect of some of these stories.
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Ytlaya posted:lol, the comments of that wiki page consist of people being really salty that a universe existing outside the Tower implies that Baam is not literally the most important person in the universe. I actually really like that for a lot of things, Baam doesn't actually have that much agency He has a lot of power and even more potential but he's still just a pawn in some vast game that the audience has barely been shown
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Hodgepodge posted:He controls shinsoo just fine in the last part of the fight. I took that as him just throwing his own energy at the Thryssa. He still can't fly or do anything that can requires creating and controlling bangs of shinsoo.
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Useless Name posted:I took that as him just throwing his own energy at the Thryssa. He still can't fly or do anything that can requires creating and controlling bangs of shinsoo. What energy? That sort of attack uses shinsoo. He also walks in on Joe and Baam talking in the next strip using one of the shinsoo blobs he had Baam control for him earlier. It's really not that subtle, as I mentioned, Joe/Thryssa outright mentions his ability to control shinsoo as an irregular once Mazino starts doing it. He also outright nullifies one of the Thryssa's attacks and then tells him that the ability to manipulate shinsoo to the level he demonstrated by doing so isn't uncommon amoung Rankers.
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