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Byolante posted:I am all for fash bashing when its relatively even numbers and nobody is hiding their identity. I can just see this sort of asymmetric vigilante justice resulting in a return to the bad old days and the old firms tooling back up to fix those commies. Maybe you are too young or never went to a dangerous away day around 2000 but I did and I would prefer that stay a thing of the past. It's true, there's a time and a place to bash Neo-Nazis: whenever and whereever the opportunity presents itself.
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lol if you think the old firms ever tooled down from going after commies
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Mar 12, 2018 00:40
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If you bash too hard they might die! 
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Alright I want a fair fight! No facial coverings, no making fun of armbands or genetics, and no making me confront my preference of Order to Justice! — You, probably
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If you wanna punch a nazi it has to be in a fair one on one using mma rules so no one gets hurt too bad - a retarded shithead
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Byolante posted:I am all for fash bashing when its relatively even numbers and nobody is hiding their identity you should reflect on this line specifically
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Huragok posted:you should reflect on this line specifically I'm reflecting on the concept that people seem to think extra judicial vigilante justice is a good thing that should be normalised in society
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Byolante posted:I'm reflecting on the concept that people seem to think extra judicial vigilante justice is a good thing that should be normalised in society Vigilantism was one of the methods that kept the UK from going the way of Germany and Italy pre-WW2 but yes I'm sure this new era of white supremacist ethnostaters will respond to requests for  and engage in spirited and well-meaning debate instead of achieving critical mass and starting to assault and murder minorities with impunity
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Kitfox88 posted:Vigilantism was one of the methods that kept the UK from going the way of Germany and Italy pre-WW2 but yes I'm sure this new era of white supremacist ethnostaters will respond to requests for Nobody was wearing a mask in Cable street because smashing Mosley was something you could be proud of.
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Mar 12, 2018 09:36
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Byolante posted:Nobody was wearing a mask in Cable street because smashing Mosley was something you could be proud of. They also didn't have smartphones fascists could use to dob you in with. Stop being so loving obtuse.
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Mar 12, 2018 09:39
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Byolante posted:Nobody was wearing a mask in Cable street because smashing Mosley was something you could be proud of. Lots of people were wearing masks at Cable Street and it was one of the things the press wrung their hands about, comparing them to the pre-WWI anarchist movements.
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On a different, also extremely stupid note, there are some real spicy takes in the grauniad today I made it as far as quote:What next? Labour can hope to increase turnout further. But this strategy, while it worked better than expected in 2017, is going to be subject to diminishing returns. How many voters who decided to stay at home in 2017 because they were unconvinced by Corbyn are going to come out and vote next time? Ukip’s vote has already been carved up. There are no great potential gains there. It is possible the SNP might implode but the Scottish Conservatives look as likely to benefit from that as Scottish Labour. That poo poo is fuckin wild, where do they keep finding these people
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Mar 12, 2018 09:54
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Byolante posted:Nobody was wearing a mask in Cable street because smashing Mosley was something you could be proud of. loving incredible
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Mar 12, 2018 09:56
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Definitely show your face when defending your community in honourable single combat against the fash so they can honourably put your face on redwatch, chuck bricks through your windows and threaten your family. With decorum. gently caress off
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Mar 12, 2018 10:10
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Crane Fist posted:On a different, also extremely stupid note, there are some real spicy takes in the grauniad today The young don't vote, Non-voters don't vote, And the old are Tory as gently caress. If you think that's an immutable law of British voters then you don't have any way to win but to become like the Tories. It's a very clear demonstration of how political commentators reinforce rather than question the rightward drift since Thatcher.
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Mar 12, 2018 10:11
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Crane Fist posted:On a different, also extremely stupid note, there are some real spicy takes in the grauniad today lol labour had huge turnout after blair had it crash after people wanted anything that wasn't the tories after they'd been in power forever
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Mar 12, 2018 10:33
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Crane Fist posted:On a different, also extremely stupid note, there are some real spicy takes in the grauniad today Could argue that Labour would actually benefit from a resurgence of the Liberal vote in Tory Liberal marginals that Labour never ever get a look in, but it's asking an awful lot of Labour supporters to hold their nose and even consider the LibDems as the lesser evil after 2010.
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forkboy84 posted:Could argue that Labour would actually benefit from a resurgence of the Liberal vote in Tory Liberal marginals that Labour never ever get a look in, but it's asking an awful lot of Labour supporters to hold their nose and even consider the LibDems as the lesser evil after 2010. if you want labour vote labour imo
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forkboy84 posted:Could argue that Labour would actually benefit from a resurgence of the Liberal vote in Tory Liberal marginals that Labour never ever get a look in, but it's asking an awful lot of Labour supporters to hold their nose and even consider the LibDems as the lesser evil after 2010. iirc a lot of those marginals are becoming tory/labour because the libdems are a loving worthless entity
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Forums Terrorist posted:iirc a lot of those marginals are becoming tory/labour because the libdems are a loving worthless entity The party for remainers is a p hard sell when the EU is turning into the Prussian Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo as well
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Mar 12, 2018 11:04
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Byolante posted:I'm reflecting on the concept that people seem to think extra judicial vigilante justice is a good thing that should be normalised in society lol literally "you people should sit quietly and let the fash terrorize people unopposed, because fighting back is against the law"
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Mar 12, 2018 11:06
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I am very much in favor of combat-as-war rather than combat-as-sport when it comes to bashing the fash.
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https://twitter.com/ruskin147/status/973154473110573056 https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/973156207161692161
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Forums Terrorist posted:iirc a lot of those marginals are becoming tory/labour because the libdems are a loving worthless entity correct the downside is that without the Lib Dems and now that the SNP are on the slide it's going to be real difficult to get an outright big majority like Blair did because of how the electoral maths works. It's likely that the Tories & Labour will be passing small majorities back and forth for the forseeable
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Mar 12, 2018 12:56
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Byolante posted:I'm reflecting on the concept that people seem to think extra judicial vigilante justice is a good thing that should be normalised in society The existence of openly fascist groups marching in the streets indicate that point has already passed, and that now the choice is whether or not to allow regressive bigotry a monopoly on said violence.
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Mar 12, 2018 13:57
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Byolante posted:The party for remainers is a p hard sell when the EU is turning into the Prussian Empire 2: Electric Boogaloo as well Jesus, if we're not quick they might reunify Germany!!!!
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Mar 12, 2018 13:57
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Nah, now that they're not being held back by pants-making GBS threads Blairites Jezza & co can and will go out and mobilize young people and other non-voters and pick off a hell of a lot of Tory marginals.
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Mar 12, 2018 13:57
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The leadership were seriously hamstrung by labour HQ who were determined to spend money on keeping blairites in their seats, thinking that labour were 100% hosed and all that mattered was mitigating the damage. In a seriously offensive labour campaign, the tories are hosed.
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Firos posted:The leadership were seriously hamstrung by labour HQ who were determined to spend money on keeping blairites in their seats, thinking that labour were 100% hosed and all that mattered was mitigating the damage. My loins swell at the thought of momentum going ham in an election the way the currently are just with their messaging. Leave no sparrow unnationalised.
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What I'd like is 2 things that are very unlikely. One would be that Labour gets a bigger majority than Tony Blairs first one in 1997. That would just make me ludicrously happy. The second is basically impossible, but I'd like to see it attempted nevertheless, is winning a larger majority on the second election than on the first.
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Josef bugman posted:What I'd like is 2 things that are very unlikely. One would be that Labour gets a bigger majority than Tony Blairs first one in 1997. That would just make me ludicrously happy. Has any party ever won a bigger majority on a second election? It's probably happened at least once. Maybe back in the days of rotten boroughs?
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UrbicaMortis posted:Has any party ever won a bigger majority on a second election? It's probably happened at least once. I suppose technically the tories did in 2015.
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Mar 12, 2018 21:16
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Thatcher in 1983 vs 1979 is like, a really really obvious one.
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UrbicaMortis posted:Has any party ever won a bigger majority on a second election?
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lotta fanboys way too familiar with the tory playbook itt
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tfw knowing postwar electoral history somehow becomes the preserve of tories
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jBrereton posted:tfw knowing postwar electoral history somehow becomes the preserve of tories this means postwar!
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My prediction is a labour majority next election then after 5 years of papers crowing about labours popularity dropping an increased majority in the next one
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nopantsjack posted:My prediction is a labour majority next election then after 5 years of papers crowing about labours popularity dropping an increased majority in the next one "Im sure once the trains don't suck and people are getting good healthcare it will make people hate Labour" - Guardian Op Ed
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