Sgt. Anime Pederast posted:

I thought this forced white peace poo poo was gone. Is that not until 2.2? Just hosed myself over in a war because of this.

Baronjutter posted:

Yeah I can see the gameplay role they're trying to fill, Wiz even said they were add to punish not having pretty borders, but as they are now they're just not fun. But I have a strong feeling next major update will fix things with their hint at trade.

Imagine making smaller fleets and setting them to "protect trade" mission in a region which would reduce piracy percentages and keep them away from your delicious trade routes. This would be a bold and never before seen mechanic in a paradox game.

Baronjutter posted:

War Exhaustion system needs some balance work for sure, but what you're seeing is the enemy basically do a fighting retreat to try to cost you as much exhaustion as possible. You run in with you 3k fleet and quickly win against their 1k fleet but they took 0 losses and you lost 2 corvettes. You just gained exhaustion and they didn't. Their fleet then heals up at their home world and goes out again to harass you. Actually invading and occupying planets barely gives any score strangely, you need to not just win battles but kill ships. But how do you do this when they keep escaping? You have to chase them, you have to blitz as quickly and deeply as you can into their territory and hopefully get to their homeworld or where ever their fleet is going when it retreats. Then you hit them hard again while they're damaged and this time you wipe out their fleet, and finally you get the needed exhaustion to go from like 30/50 in their favour to like 80/50 in yours.

And don't forget that just because you have higher exhaustion than them doesn't mean you are losing. For instance I wanted a couple enemy systems, just a couple claims to make pretty borders. I had no intention of ground invasions or pressing deeper, just take those 2 systems and park my fleet on them. Because they kept using emergency FTL to run away, and because I needed to keep my fleets parked there and couldn't repair, my exhaustion went up much higher. Every battle I'd kill 0-2 of their ships while they'd whittle down a few of mine. Finally when I was sitting at about 70% exhaustion and them at 60% I saw they'd accept a status quo peace. Status quo was at +1 but a full victory was at -70 or so, even though the outcome was functionally the same. I got my two systems.

Remember, it's a forced (or heavily pushed) status quo peace when you get to 100% exhaustion, not a surrender. As long as you can take and hold your objective for long enough you'll get it. Of course this makes things like vassalization wars nearly impossible since those require a big official victory. In the new war system status quo peace is your friend and what you'll be gunning for.

OwlFancier posted:

You can build over your naval capacity, it's just expensive.

Young Hegelian posted:

This is really helpful. I had no idea you kept occupied systems in a status quo peace. This changes literally a lot about how I thought that war was going.

Young Hegelian posted:

This is really helpful. I had no idea you kept occupied systems in a status quo peace. This changes literally a lot about how I thought that war was going.

Gadzuko posted:

Only claimed systems, though. That's an important note. Unclaimed systems revert to the original owner.

You keep everything only if you are a fanatic purifier or other total war civ type who cannot make claims.

Dallan Invictus posted:

Or if you are fighting such a civ (purifiers, awakened empires, empires that have a Colossus) using a Containment/End Threat CB.

But yes, in a normal war of conquest status quo peace is not the end of the world, and if it is you're fighting the war incorrectly. The point is to kill the fleet to allow you to accomplish your objectives, not necessarily for the sake of warscore. (WE in 2.0 is LIKE warscore but manifestly not the same thing.)

Gadzuko posted:

Forced white peace is gone in the beta patch. You just stop earning influence and unity at 100% war weariness.

AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:

Kaza42 posted:

In that case yeah, this should be 100% feasible. I believe you want the on_tech_increased action, and just add all of your events to the block (or make your own block in your own file, as described on the stellaris wiki).

Here's some modding help, not sure if you need it or not. If you already know all this, feel free to disregard me.

There are two obvious ways to handle it. Either you have a different event for each tech you want a description for, or you have conditional descriptions for a single event. The latter is less work to write, but the former is easier to read and manage (in my opinion, your personal organizational views/needs may vary).

Since each empire can only research a tech once, you don't need to worry about flags or anything to prevent repeat events. I'd suggest adding an is_ai=no trigger to the event(s) to cut down slightly on lag. Even without it, I doubt it's a big deal though. Here's an example event you could do

code:

country_event = {
	id = techflavor.1
	title = techflavor.1.name
	desc = techflavor.1.desc
        picture = GFX_evt_ship_in_orbit
	
	is_triggered_only = yes
	
	trigger = {
		is_ai = no
		has_technology = tech_destroyers
	}
	
	option = {
		name = "OK"
	}
}

If you add techflavor.1 to the on_tech_increased onaction definition, then any time a player empire researches Destroyers, they'll get a popup with techflavor.1.name at the top of the window and techflavor.1.desc as the body and "OK" as the confirmation button. Then you just have a localisation file with techflavor.1.name and techflavor.1.desc defined in it, and you've got a flavor box.

HappyKitty posted:

This needed to be changed in a big way. As it is now, you are pretty much resigned to losing systems in a two-front war, even if you have enough naval power to totally crush both enemies. This happened in two successive games, one where I was a determined exterminator machine race, and my current game, where I'm playing a hive mind. Basically, I had a situation where the two enemies on opposite sides of my empire would simultaneously declare war, and while my navy was strong enough to beat theirs one at a time, I didn't quite have the power to split my forces and defend both fronts simultaneously. So I'd go to one front, absolutely turbofuck one invading force; meanwhile, the other enemy had a merry old time just taking system after system, and even when I did get around to crushing their navy with relative ease, I'd hit 100% exhaustion and end up with a forced white peace at the expense of a few systems. The frustrating part is that I was easily on track to retake every system they'd occupied in a couple more months of game time, but that arbitrary exhaustion timer meant I had to accept the loss. The tradeoff of losing influence and unity for a few months to mop up a war I'd otherwise pretty conclusively won would have been most welcome.

Gyshall posted:

A pro post, thank you. I'm very familiar with making mods with Bethesda games, so editing text files should be no problem. Really appreciate the write up, I'll be off and working on this in no time.

Gyshall posted:

A pro post, thank you. I'm very familiar with making mods with Bethesda games, so editing text files should be no problem. Really appreciate the write up, I'll be off and working on this in no time.

AtomikKrab posted:

I upped my econ game one step further.


I now dismantle the starting shipyward and fleet hookup for more energy each month. (I am playing lifeseeded and thus need that to be my trading hub until I can get to other planets.)

Captain Monkey posted:

When you finish this, post it to the thread, I'd love a mod that did that.

ConfusedUs posted:

You're crazy (like a shark)

HappyKitty posted:

This needed to be changed in a big way. As it is now, you are pretty much resigned to losing systems in a two-front war, even if you have enough naval power to totally crush both enemies.

DatonKallandor posted:

In my fanatic purifier games I actually can get by without anchorages at all (for a suprisingly long time), because you get so much free naval cap. Which means shipyards/crew quarters on every single border starbase. Upgrade and repair everywhere. It makes you ridiculously mobile strategically.

McSpanky posted:

Does the size of the gift matter, or just whatever it takes to hit the green 1?

Nitrousoxide posted:

If you say so Stellaris. I don't think I really control that much of the galaxy but whatever.

Baronjutter posted:

Yeah I can see the gameplay role they're trying to fill, Wiz even said they were add to punish not having pretty borders, but as they are now they're just not fun. But I have a strong feeling next major update will fix things with their hint at trade.