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Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich
If Tillerson found out by twitter then he was not fired on Friday and his ouster was indeed a result of his position on Russia.

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Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Chilichimp posted:

Roll eyes all loving day, my goon. Glenn Greenwald isn't worthy of your respect. He's a repeat guest on Tucker Carlson's show because he is willing to write political fiction that supports his worldview.

Also, Glenn Greenwald is never wrong because you can't comprehend the intelligence that Glenn has, or so he will tell you.

Lote
Aug 5, 2001

Place your bets
My future sister in law jumped ship from the State Dept back to Defense in Oct. She’s got timing like she’s jumping off a car driving off a cliff and sticking the landing.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
My sources at the Intercept tell me that a 400 pound Chinese man sitting on a bed could have poisoned the Russian spy.

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Junior G-man posted:

Never contribute to malice what can much more plausibly contributed to stupidity.

por que no los dos?

Groovelord Neato posted:

we do have to keep in mind rex tillerson was trash at his job.

Oh for sure. I wanted him gone.

I didn't in a million years see him being fired because he was doing the right thing, though.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Chilichimp posted:

It's from me. I'm just calling it from downtown.

oh, ok

i think he might not have had that power but its a reasonable suspicion

Captain Invictus
Apr 5, 2005

Try reading some manga!


Clever Betty
One of the replies to the tillerson article calls trump followers "trumpanzees". Heh, that's pretty good, hadn't heard that one before.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

bogoodski posted:

Yeah, "hoodwinked" wasn't a well considered word.

The military constituency is so weird to me. There was undeniable racist undertones even among my infantry platoon while I was in. But it worked out based on necessity, I guess, and the underlying truth is being exposed by Trump.

Otherwise, the part that confuses me is the military's willingness to be voters so against their own interests.

Even if the President's policies did align with those of the military constituency, what I don't get is how they all support him in such a cult of personality sort of way. Trump is exactly the type of gutless, greedy "elite" we all despised when I was in. And now they all worship him. I've watched a historical social phenomena work out in reality with my own eyes. And it's extremely frightening

Soldiers in my unit were making lynching jokes after Obama's election.

"Gutless elite" just means n*-lover. The instant some silver-spoon-baby draft-dodger tells them they're better than any black man, white dudes will get on their knees and start licking his gold-plated taint.

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Captain Invictus posted:

One of the replies to the tillerson article calls trump followers "trumpanzees". Heh, that's pretty good, hadn't heard that one before.

It's an insult to chimpanzees.

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Cythereal posted:

Tom Clancy was less crazy than this administration. Jack Ryan was the National Security Advisor, not head of the CIA, and was explicitly brought in as a replacement VP for the last six months of an administration after the last VP resigned in disgrace.

Tom Clancy himself meanwhile made a living pushing moronic conspiracy theories that threw such a wide net they were bound to catch something eventually. Mostly at the end by letting ghostwriters do all his work for him and putting his license on every single overly militaristic game he could find. He made a lot of money and had a franchise organized around his work and name, instead of losing a lot of money and trying to regain it like Trump did, which was what essentially forced him into becoming a politician in the first place.

What I'm saying is, Clancy may have been an asshat that blamed leftists for everything, with a bunch of crazy ideas, but he made his own fortune and actually willingly wanted to serve in the military, but was rejected after they found out he was nearsighted. And he could organize a franchise that didn't fall apart after only months of scrutiny.

And whatever else you could say he would do, he probably wouldn't willingly seek Putin's praise.

bogoodski
Feb 17, 2018

Groovelord Neato posted:

it's racism pure and simple. you see it in every article about trump voters who don't regret voting for him.

Sadly, I think you're right.

What I think that I (in my naivety) and others opposed to the President need to come to grips with is that it's more prevalent in this country than we wanted to believe.

This thread may know it. But I'm not sure America does.

I'm more pessimistic than I've ever been about this country.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


VitalSigns posted:

Soldiers in my unit were making lynching jokes after Obama's election.

"Gutless elite" just means n*-lover. The instant some silver-spoon-baby draft-dodger tells them they're better than any black man, white dudes will get on their knees and start licking his gold-plated taint.

yeah when these suburbanites say trump is just like them he means he says racist poo poo and is a giant moron.

bogoodski posted:

This thread may know it. But I'm not sure America does.

they don't. anyone who's against nfl players kneeling is a racist and i know far more people who thought they should stand than the kneeling was good and i live in one of the bluest places in the country.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Crow Jane posted:

It's an insult to chimpanzees.

They go straight for the face and genitals.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




SulphagneSocialist posted:

It's still really horrible to do it on this day of all days. They could have and should have waited a month or two and try to get Tillerson to resign himself for "family reasons." Now no American official, when talking about Russia's covert activities with US allies, can be assumed by US allies to actually have the administration's backing, if even the top State official is humiliated out of his post the next day after vocally backing the UK up. This is going to have really far-reaching consequences for the US whether they were intended or not.

Dismantling international diplomacy to protect the pee tape

Really though, until there's more info, I think the simplest explanation is that Trump has wanted Tillerson out for a while and finally confirmed his replacement. The catastrophically bad timing is just Trump being bad at his job.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Fitzy Fitz posted:

Still trying to process the idea that it's that easy for Putin to get our secretary of state fired. I want to believe it's more than that because that would be insane.

Putin: :thunk:

*fires a cruise missile into a US military barracks in Syria*

*Trump fires Mattis, sends ICE tanks into San Diego*

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Crain posted:

No, Romeny was saying we needed more Aircraft Carriers and tanks to fight a hot war with Russia. Which is still not something we need to do since we have more Carriers than all of Europe and Russia combined.

Plus at the time Obama was trying to reconnect with Russia in hopes that what we're seeing now wouldn't be where they decided to go.

Those talks fell through and Russia started loving with poo poo so now we're here in a new Cold Cyber War.

Seriously? This thread is so much of an echo chamber that we can't give a Republican's correct hot take on Russia any credit? Obama was terrible on Russia, essentially ceding the Syria conflict to Moscow.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
Don Jr is retweeting Prison Paul of InfoWars now.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Tillerson was in Nigeria yesterday lmao

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

bogoodski posted:

Yeah, I dont get it. I would dislike Trump based on policy and his racism alone. That I'm a vet makes me only dispise him for his cowardness even more.

But almost to a person, everyone I served with supports Trump and have become much more politically passionate since he has come on the political scene.

Yeah, man, this scares me too. I didn't serve, but I know a great many who do and almost to a man, they're Trump supporters.

They were all republicans before any of this, so it's not some huge leap, but the fact that they're all so blatantly in for ~Trump~ is surprising.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002


yeah glenn greenwald would never, say, go on noted white supremacist tucker carleson's tv show to try to discredit the russia investigation and act like a republican bobblehead about how all news on russia is fake news prompted by the lying media

don't believe your lying eyes, youtube, transcripts, etc

Crow Jane
Oct 18, 2012

nothin' wrong with a lady drinkin' alone in her room

Ague Proof posted:

They go straight for the face and genitals.

They also form complex societies, make and use tools, and can be trained to ride bikes, all of which put them way beyond the level of Trumpists. Much cuter too.

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747
Notice how the stock market is still going up. This is why you should never count on the market to respond in a morally or politically helpful way.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

"Execute Order 66" Putin intones into a communicator, triggering Donald Trump to fire Rex Tillerson. This is how world politics work

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Junior G-man posted:

Never contribute to malice what can much more plausibly contributed to stupidity.

i am angry about this post and you know exactly why

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Krispy Wafer posted:

Seriously? This thread is so much of an echo chamber that we can't give a Republican's correct hot take on Russia any credit? Obama was terrible on Russia, essentially ceding the Syria conflict to Moscow.

I think Obama got outmaneuvered by Putin in the short run but for Syria and Ukraine he tried to make up for it by ensuring Russia would remain a shithole for decades to come.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/seanspicer/status/973555522921254912?s=19

Gynocentric Regime
Jun 9, 2010

by Cyrano4747

Crow Jane posted:

They also form complex societies, make and use tools, and can be trained to ride bikes, all of which put them way beyond the level of Trumpists. Much cuter too.

Nah, troglodytes can go gently caress themselves paniscus is where it's at.


vvv Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. vvv

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


what was obama supposed to do on syria. it's our fault it happened and anything we did made it worse.

Brony Car
May 22, 2014

by Cyrano4747
What should Obama have done in Syria? All the options that people wanting more active involvement in sounded like surefire roads to yet another Forever War.

Pablo Nergigante
Apr 16, 2002

evilweasel posted:

yeah glenn greenwald would never, say, go on noted white supremacist tucker carleson's tv show to try to discredit the russia investigation and act like a republican bobblehead about how all news on russia is fake news prompted by the lying media

don't believe your lying eyes, youtube, transcripts, etc

You don't have to defend bad posts because they're about someone you don't like

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003


Mossad getting lazy or what

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


*sees what happened to libya* we need to be more involved in syria!

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer

Pablo Nergigante posted:

Okay Chilichimp

How can you be even a casual observer of this administration and say to yourself, "That's probably not true, that would be insane" without laughing at yourself and doing one of those forehead slaps?

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Groovelord Neato posted:

what was obama supposed to do on syria. it's our fault it happened and anything we did made it worse.

I think he got shown up by the chemical weapons line.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
This is fine.

Mundrial Mantis
Aug 15, 2017


Brony Car posted:

Notice how the stock market is still going up. This is why you should never count on the market to respond in a morally or politically helpful way.

I feel guilty every time I check after any big news story breaks to see if things start tumbling down.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

For when he deletes it:


Prime Minister Trumble

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

at long last, we can uncover and defeat the Uruguayans

Vladimir Putin
Mar 17, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Brony Car posted:

What should Obama have done in Syria? All the options that people wanting more active involvement in sounded like surefire roads to yet another Forever War.

Could have tried to keep Russia out of it. They in there firing cruise missiles and bombing people like it’s whatever.

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evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Pablo Nergigante posted:

You don't have to defend bad posts because they're about someone you don't like

glenn greenwald is absolutely the sort of person who would do both of the things posted, and if you think otherwise you haven't paid attention to him

his little escapades on tucker carleson's show should have disabused even the most hardcore believers

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