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To be entirely fair, the only available contract above 10% salvage rights was the Davion one and, as mentioned, planetary assaults tend to be rather lethal. And the other aspects of the contract that we got hosed on weren't really visible from the mission select. On the other hand, with 40% salvage rights the Davion contract is kind of a picture perfect example of "yeah, many/most of you will die, but the survivors will be rather rich." At which point you can cash out of the merc business, or rebuild on a more financially secure footing.
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Wait, that Toro is armed with SRM-2's and a Large laser? That could mean that it's the original Toro prototype model, the TR-A-1! (I don't know if they made more than one prototype though) I don't know about you guys but a rare prototype is probably worth quite a bit in a museum or some very wealthy person's collection if anyone makes it out alive or if anyone want to actually USE such a old model of mech.
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Yeah it's almost useless as an actual combat machine even if we strip it and replace the armor because it's so slow. (Plus no way to represent it in the Battletech game). Collectors item? Maybe?
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In character we have no idea what this thing is, so what we do with it depends on how long it takes to ID it, if we even can.Triangle Shirt Factotum posted:Lol, so the production version of this was supposed to be a baby panther with a PPC? IMO it looks like an Archer and a Warhammer had a 35ton child.
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Jimmy4400nav posted:1000 years in the future and soldiers are still marrying random folks at their port calls. Are we paying our guys BAH? Camp followers will be camp followers. You just know that one of the support crew brought the boss to meet their new wife, and the look on the boss's face when the guy brings them to a local strip club. And, should I be worried that wherever we are there seems to be a positive abundance of mech-qualified flamethrower troopers? In my fluff for the character, Figment wasn't piloting that Firestarter because it was her first choice...
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Saros posted:Yeah it's almost useless as an actual combat machine even if we strip it and replace the armor because it's so slow. (Plus no way to represent it in the Battletech game). If we can't sell it at a premium due to historical interest, since it has 2 missile hardpoints, can we stripe it and load it full of LRM's and let it me an indirect missile boat. It wouldn't be safe but it may at least be effective out of harms way. Leith Maclaine fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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As much as I appreciate lovely mechs and rolling out in them, the company needs to ice some debt.
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Yeah we have five mechs that are better than this museum piece and a huge debt to the company store. We need to pawn this one off.
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Oh, I agree the preference is to sell. I'm just trying to think of backup plans (LRM 15 maybe)........
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The Toro was the Taurian Concordat (they have a bull theme, they are Space Texas)'s first BattleMech. It's probably only really valuable to the Taurians, but they could be very interested in it as a national pride / museum piece / presidential lawn ornament. Not "Here's a BattleMech Company" interested of course, but if the lance needs to make a run to the periphery to hide from ComStar / flee our debt, the Taurian Concordat is as good a place as any because they're not likely to extradite if we make a "gift" of it and, for all their ability, ComStar is also lazy as poo poo when it comes to cleaning up loose ends. The only other real use for the Toro is to scam some rich idiot out of far more than it's worth, but the odds of doing that successfully are pretty slim. Anyone rich enough and ill-informed enough to buy it probably doesn't want or need a BattleMech. Anyone desperate for any 'Mech is going to know enough to know its junk and/or won't have enough money to actually buy it. Edit: The Toro is a very useful "escape clause" but a significantly less useful bargaining chit. Double Edit: The downside to this is, since the Toro is not likely to be in Space Jane's Almonac, our mercs aren't really going to know what to do with it. Hauling a fifth 'Mech that's not really combat capable is a waste. This is a situation where we probably want to turn the Toro over to ComStar. They clearly think we've found "something" and want to shut us up, if we turn it over willingly they can probably use it as a bargaining chit to get something out of the Taurians themselves and if we bargain hard they may be willing to reduce or even wipe our debt. ComStar is not above being bought if we offer a carrot that's more valuable / entertaining to them then beating us with a stick would be. VVV Primitive weapons are not worth using, it's best to leave them where they are. PoptartsNinja fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Pull the weapons off the Toro and sell the chassis. Leaving it hanging around just costs money and time in maintenance, which even if only a small amount, is not worth paying as you're never going to use that thing. As for the debt, get everyone to square away the gear and load up... as soon and the team is back from this fight, contracts over right? Let's just leg it and leave Comstar holding the tab. Tindahbawx fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Mar 14, 2018 19:09
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Saving an SRM 2 seems barely worth the time to unbolt it.
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Tindahbawx posted:As for the debt, get everyone to square away the gear and load up... as soon and the team is back from this fight, contracts over right? Let's just leg it and leave Comstar holding the tab. The average survival time for a mercenary unit that gets branded a pack of pirates is something like six months. That is quite possibly what happened to the "pirates" we're currently killing. Chances are pretty good the crew of any DropShip we ship out on will subdue us and return us to ComStar for trial before we make it out of the system.
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I have no idea why people keep bringing that up when we all know what Comstar is capable of.
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PoptartsNinja posted:This is a situation where we probably want to turn the Toro over to ComStar. They clearly think we've found "something" and want to shut us up, if we turn it over willingly they can probably use it as a bargaining chit to get something out of the Taurians themselves and if we bargain hard they may be willing to reduce or even wipe our debt. This seems like a sensible choice to me. It probably won't be enough to wipe our debt, but every little helps and it's not like we have any use for the thing.
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Brainstorming: Not that this is a good idea but.......................could we take the engine from the Toro and fix up the commando? PopTartNinja's idea about "gifting" the Toro to Comstar in exchange for debts or other favors is the smart thing to do.
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PoptartsNinja posted:
As an aside, the unit card doesn't say the weapons are primitive - is this assumed, or has it been retrofitted with modern weaponry? I think the toro's best used after we see how the final mission goes. We'll see!
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Leith Maclaine posted:Brainstorming: Not that this is a good idea but.......................could we take the engine from the Toro and fix up the commando? Honestly, the Commando probably isn't worth it, and if we want to sell the Toro, having its engine in it is probably for the better, IIRC the engine of the mech is one of the most expensive parts since they all march around on miniaturized fusion reactors. Cythereal posted:I'm from a cheerful little Kurita planet named Bad News - no that's not a joke, and yes it's well named - on the edge of Combine space, but that's no protection for my family. If the Combine feels like it, they won't hesitate to kill people deep inside other Successor States. Personally I thought the Dragon was the pride of the Combine, but I am sufficiently intimidated by our employers to err on the side of caution. Fair point, the Dragon isn't too fond of hiring sellswords, the lances we occasionally worked with back on Akrab tended to be very..."polite" when nit came to dealing with any DCMS personnel, at the time I thought they were just being professional... Leith Maclaine posted:Just because you have been stuck in the sick bay and haven't had any success with Nurse Hija................................................. Low blow bro.............
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Jimmy4400nav posted:Fair point, the Dragon isn't too fond of hiring sellswords, the lances we occasionally worked with back on Akrab tended to be very..."polite" when nit came to dealing with any DCMS personnel, at the time I thought they were just being professional... Better safe than sorry when dealing with the Kuritas, in my experience. The Five Pillars and other organs of the Dragon cast a long shadow, even out near the Periphery border. Bad News has a permanent 'Mech garrison attached to it in case the Outworlds Alliance gets any ideas. In the extreme off chance I live long enough and make enough money with this outfit to retire comfortably, I think Steiner space would be my first pick. Not as fractious as the FWL, something to do besides intrigue with other nobles and lord over illiterate dirt farmers unlike Davion space. I bet the Steiners wouldn't mind a wealthy enough MechWarrior who actually knows which end of a lance goes where, unlike their social generals. At any rate, +1 for giving the Toro to ComStar. As for the new outfit dependents... Well, I suppose expecting this outfit to have better standards than Davion peasants on a planet getting fought over by mercs and pirates was too much to hope for. A classy outfit, this is decidedly not. -Figment
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Yes, clearly after loving with us the whole contract and giving us the lavish gift of an LRM carrier worth less than dryer lint in a gameplay medium we could not even use it if we want to. Obviously Comstar will buy a Touru for millions of C-Bills off our debt and give us a nice apology fruit basket. Or maybe just confiscate it, and then fine us for not telling them five hours before we landed planetside, the much more likley prospect. Oh and Comstar owns internet so they will see the sales receipt for whoever we sell it to and revoke our license if we try to offload it under the table. Given how so much as rude nicknames means pointing at the rocks fall everyone dies lever and waggling their eyebrows. That's one of the problems with moustache twirling runs the setting puppetmaster archetypes. Any claims you can appeal to them or get in their good graces is fairly empty because of how much everyone busy is doubling down on how much they can end you on a whim. When you can't help but spend every five seconds reminding the team that all working harder than any Merc unit/shadowrunners/Dark Sun desert murder hobos for hire/etc has in the last decade gets you is your boss turning the screws further, Why do people keep acting like token gestures will suddenly make them have a change of heart? So gently caress it, full speed ahead, and anything goes as long as we're still completing the mission. Typo based Edit: Man, I'd be loving stoked if we found a Touro mech instead of a Toro. Section Z fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Mar 14, 2018 |
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Cythereal posted:Camp followers will be camp followers.
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Section Z posted:That's one of the problems with moustache twirling runs the setting puppetmaster archetypes. Any claims you can appeal to them or get in their good graces is fairly empty because of how much everyone busy is doubling down on how much they can end you on a whim. Which is why the smart thing to do is to play like they're not moustache-twirling imbeciles. ComStar gets lazy as gently caress when they believe they hold all the power. Turning over a BattleMech we found in our space garage that does not belong to us does several things: 1) It shows we still trust our employer, which: 2) makes us less threatening to ComStar directly, especially if we showed them were we found the thing. We're guileless which means we go straight into the pool of "people we can manipulate and therefore don't need to worry about and/or kill" 3) Cuts down on the chances that one of ComStar's loaner technicians notices the loving thing and spreads a rumor that we have somehow built a totally new BattleMech out of the junk we've been salvaging. Something which is considered essentially impossible until the Wolfhound / Hatchetman / etc. hit the markets in a decade or so and will quite possibly get us put on ComStar's "kill" list. 4) Saves us from paying the maintenance expenses on a primitive BattleMech with a fusion engine so useless it can barely get a light 'Mech to 50 kph. This thing is a maintenance black hole and any time we spend so much as looking at it is a waste to our mercs. 5) Even if ComStar only gives us the 'Mech's value off our debt, that's still 1.8 million less debt. However, ComStar is prone to random bouts of "benevolence" because they like it when people spread nice rumors about them wiping out a struggling merc company's debt after a harder-than-expected mission trashes their machines. This is not a guarantee, but giving ComStar an opportunity to feel superior is a reasonable way to trick them into accidentally committing a little noblesse oblige.
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PoptartsNinja posted:5) Even if ComStar only gives us the 'Mech's value off our debt, that's still 1.8 million less debt. However, ComStar is prone to random bouts of "benevolence" because they like it when people spread nice rumors about them wiping out a struggling merc company's debt after a harder-than-expected mission trashes their machines. This is not a guarantee, but giving ComStar an opportunity to feel superior is a reasonable way to trick them into accidentally committing a little noblesse oblige. Oh my god. Literally treat Comstar like a bad GM runs their organization. It's genius in it's simplicity.
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ComStar in 3025 is an organization full of Machiavellis who think they are too intelligent to be manipulated.
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PoptartsNinja posted:ComStar in 3025 is an organization full of Machiavellis who think they are too intelligent to be manipulated. These are guys who actively go around wearing cheesy wizard outfits that would get them laughed out of any Halloween party on today's Earth and love playing the "don't question me for I am mysterious" card. They're totally the kind of people who would love to show how "superior" they are by "granting us a boon" for "returning such a valuable prize" to them.
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I got a Commando 1A from one of these events. It's so slow.
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PTN makes a good case. Let's try to turn that hunk of junk Toro into a bargaining chip with Comstar.
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hoo.... I've been on a riot suppression job for the Combine for a few in game months, mostly just watching "loyalists" and "rioters" fall over and blow themselves up piloting farming and civilian mechs ....lets just sell the Toro and forget we ever had it.
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Graciously give the Toro to ComStar
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PoptartsNinja posted:
https://goo.gl/images/D12E3P Oh boy, they're giving us free chocolate?!
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Rygar201 posted:Graciously give the Toro to ComStar You realize 'give' usually means 'for free', right?
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I am with PTN, I think we can use them to appear smaller and way more compliant than we actually are to get more out of this than we normally would by selling it to some shelb on the galaxy market. It's a bargaining chip. Not an /amazing/ one, but it's one. Use the Toro to gain leverage in negociation with ComStar
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At least detail it, replace a couple of components and act like we found it damaged and refurbished it.
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Lord Koth posted:On the other hand, with 40% salvage rights the Davion contract is kind of a picture perfect example of "yeah, many/most of you will die, but the survivors will be rather rich." At which point you can cash out of the merc business, or rebuild on a more financially secure footing. Every single merc with a battletech can cash out at any time. Sell it, and even if they only got half price for it (in the tail end of the 3rd succession war you'll probably get much more given how mech-hungry everyone is) live comfortably for the rest of their lives. 1 Cbill is worth I think over $10 USD in today money, so if you get "only" 1.5 million Cbills that's plenty of cash. Or you can just work for standard Mechwarrior pay of 1500 Cbills a month while routinely getting shot at by lasers, missiles and cannons. I guess that's an option. This is a good thread and I wish I'd known there were mods for the Beta before it got taken down. I didn't think to copy my data before it happened.
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Someone has modded in pretty much the entirety of the 3025 TRO by mushing together the exisiting models already in the game. How do people feel about this. Should we stick with the really nice models that HBS have provided, it's a restricted rostor but it looks good. Or do we want these crazy frankenmechs showing up. Here is a Javelin.. 
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They kinda look like rear end but honestly, shooting up Locusts and Shadowhawks and whatnot is getting a bit old. If this allows you to get more creative with the enemies (and our mechs?), throw some real oddballs and curveballs our way then, by all means. Give us the frankenmechs!
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Stick to the in game mechs because I am a baby driven by aesthetics.
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Use the Frankenmech! Embrace the insanity and production value of all of the industrious mod community! I'm SURE there's some of them that looks passable and good. Or some that's been directly ripped from MWO, I mean, that works too.
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